• Tudd constantly breaks the rules and our mods are morons - the thread
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As our moderators pointed out, threads created by Tudd are not a place do discuss off-topic issues such as threads created by Tudd. Here is a discussion thread in which we discuss why Tudd constantly breaks the flaming rule (which DOES apply in his thread to other users, trust me, I would know) without facing any real repercussions, despite everyone agreeing that he is toxic to the community not only because of his views, but also his discussion style (fucking none) We will also explain to our mods why they are fucking morons for believing they are protecting free speech by not punishing Tudd for clearly breaking the rules just because his opinions are contrarian. Starting with, a direct quote of Tudd admitting to flaming: [QUOTE=Tudd;53046218]Might be I can still recognize America is a country composed of immigrants with some amazing examples of citizenship/contribution, and I just find a former CIA Official a saying "I am a proud shitholer" as the funny part to post. Those two things aren't mutually exclusive and really I just find the statement funny. I am [i]sure[/i] you can rant and rave about a whole host of discussed-to-death topics concerning me, but really I am quite fine with people getting what they want out of this past that part. I just don't think you can argue that "I am a proud shitholer" isn't a hilarious statement.[/QUOTE] Please discuss (follow the rules tho) [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Mod sass" - Hezzy))[/highlight]
"ban this guy for flaming, btw the mods are fucking morons"
it's amazing how long we've been trying to sweep it under the rug, then when its brought up with a reasonable event in the forums discussion to get some action or an opinion hezzy shuts the 73 page standing forum complaints thread because 8 people posted about tudd. that is not the kind of reaction our mod team should have to a discussion, the bans are one thing but closing an essential thread used for more things than just tudd is absurd, at this point im not even mad just because of the lack of action on tudd but the absolute kneejerk reaction from trying to discuss him while this thread is kind of cobbled together and not too good of a stance, we kind of killed off the only real thread where this discussion could have been warranted
He should at least be held accountable to justify his views in at least a few posts. It's super obvious anytime he EVER posts ANYTHING the agenda and reason for it is crystal clear. He drops a bomb and then runs away after maybe a few replies and lets a thread fester and turn to shit which makes everyone but him look bad. I genuinely don't know how hes been getting away with it so long, and would like some mod reasoning.
That recent thread was pretty shocking though. Kiwi really helped that fuse go off.
[video=youtube;sXQkXXBqj_U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U[/video]
Honestly I just don't bother opening threads in the video section created by Tudd, it's a sure-fire way to find a video that is trash and I don't give a shit about it. Probably largely due to me not really giving a shit about politics videos or video essays on topical/political stuff, but also because usually they're just not very good videos. I'm not sure what he does is outright flaming, but his posts are pretty contentless and in my opinion close to being "you mad bro" tier most of the time. Personally I just don't bother reading his political themed posts or any of his threads anymore, fixes the problem for me. [QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;53048900]He should at least be held accountable to justify his views in at least a few posts. It's super obvious anytime he EVER posts ANYTHING the agenda and reason for it is crystal clear. He drops a bomb and then runs away after maybe a few replies and lets a thread fester and turn to shit which makes everyone but him look bad. I genuinely don't know how hes been getting away with it so long, and would like some mod reasoning.[/QUOTE] Because there isn't anything inherently against the rules or wrong with stating your opinion and then not posting in that thread again. Now maybe it could be said that his posts appear to be in a form that is conducive to being considered baiting. I think his posts aren't particularly beneficial to the forum as well, same as I do for a few other posters of similar stature, but really nothing they do is outright or even reasonably against the rules most of the time. They're rather disingenuous if they claim they're "providing a positive contribution" to the forum, but I don't think it's outright against the rules to do what Tudd is doing on a basic level. The discussion we should be having is whether or not he is intentionally doing this to bait people or if he's actually acting in good faith but is clearly just posting very, very poorly. I say this knowing full well I'm not a model poster or anything like that, just my opinion on the matter. edit: Additionally, there's a proper way to call out a member of the forum on their actions without doing it how many people have with Tudd, both parties are in the wrong here. I would think most of those bans are justified personally, falling for the bait is still flaming regardless, I don't think it's victim blaming to say that learning to recognise such obvious bait is an important lesson in being a better poster. There are legitimate times and places to call out a poster, and there are times when it clearly isn't appropriate at all. Derailing a thread with call-outs is the wrong time for example.
I'm afraid to voice my opinion for fear of being banned, I hope that this thread is the proper place to discuss this. [QUOTE=Tudd;53046160]context of the video "Man says he's proud to have been a descendant from what used to be called a shithole country." The Onion just can't compete.[/QUOTE] Obvious bait thread made even more obvious by Tudd continuing to post more purposefully inflammatory remarks like in the OP of this thread. Is flamebait okay? [QUOTE=V12US;53048904][video=youtube;sXQkXXBqj_U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQkXXBqj_U[/video][/QUOTE] that'd be okay as a counter arguement but Tudd basically abandons the thread instantly and doesn't discuss anything after it has been pointed out he's basically posted bait.
I thought forum moderators were suppose to ensure that inflammatory posts designed to hinder any discussion didnt happen. You know: trolling.
The thing that confuses me is that i thought trolling was bannable, but tudd is somehow exempt from that rule throughout his constant baiting
Its annoying to see people who want to legitimately discuss their conservative view point get lumped in with posters like tudd who clearly just post to cause arguments [editline]13th January 2018[/editline] This isnt balance its the mods just letting a person troll a forum because its funny
[QUOTE=Mud;53048910]I thought forum moderators were suppose to ensure that inflammatory posts designed to hinder any discussion didnt happen. You know: trolling.[/QUOTE] I can't really tell if this is for or against since every Tudd thread regardless of content is devolved into inflammatory posts about his character in a single page
I don't really care about tudd himself either which way but I don't understand why he's allowed to drop his shit opinions around the forum and anyone who replies to them for what they are apparently gets banned [img]https://i.gyazo.com/afc2d74740dc98f2a2dba1bf01f53e1c.png[/img] Like I dunno I'm sure there was a better solution to whatever the problem was than this
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;53048915]I can't really tell if this is for or against since every Tudd thread regardless of content is devolved into inflammatory posts about his character in a single page[/QUOTE] You cant tell a post describing the first post in every thread by a poster who has a history of starting controversial inflammatory low effort threads without further contributions to said topic is for or against them?
[QUOTE=Mud;53048912]Its annoying to see people who want to legitimately discuss their conservative view point get lumped in with posters like tudd who clearly just post to cause arguments [editline]13th January 2018[/editline] This isnt balance its the mods just letting a person troll a forum because its funny[/QUOTE] I agree, that's why boiling it down to "you want your safe space back???" is just ignorant. [QUOTE=slapdown3;53048907]I'm afraid to voice my opinion for fear of being banned, I hope that this thread is the proper place to discuss this.[/QUOTE] This is exactly why I created the thread, as long as you follow the stickied post and the general forum rules you will be fine.
There is a discussion to be had here but I noticed quite a few people were reactng impulsively and out of anger. Calling the mods all "idiots" isnt helping anything. Also remember that the mods are in different time zones so not all have seen and chimed in yet. This actually is not about tudd, in my eyes. This is more about the apperent double standard that has appeared in the mod team, not out of malice, but because the rules are so vague that every mod has their own interpretation. We list all our rules just as "common sense" but that means a slew of different things to different people. We do this because it allows mods to be flexible and independent. It does however, have its issues as we see here. I really suggest, perhaps for newpunch, that we make a more proper and more defined set of rules (rule suggestions megathread anyone?). We don't have to be anal about it, but certainly a bit more specific than we have now.
Use your head, its not exactly a complex propositional calculus probablem
[QUOTE=slapdown3;53048907]I'm afraid to voice my opinion for fear of being banned, I hope that this thread is the proper place to discuss this. Obvious bait thread made even more obvious by Tudd continuing to post more purposefully inflammatory remarks like in the OP of this thread. Is flamebait okay? [/QUOTE] I got you covered fam [img]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/196007848428175360/360103199027232779/banproof.gif[/img]
You guys get too wrapped on a fucking internet forum, chillout
You guys get too wrapped on a fucking internet forum, chillout
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;53048915]I can't really tell if this is for or against since every Tudd thread regardless of content is devolved into inflammatory posts about his character in a single page[/QUOTE] That's because his threads have absolutely no real content and wouldn't warrant more than a page of discussion because of how absurd they are, but when it's a Tudd Thread™ it adds a new layer of shilling and agenda pushing that is always evident. It's a pattern so of course people are going to talk about it. Every single thread he creates is bait to get users banned. And it works. Every. Single. Time. It's like the mods are just using him to farm their ban scores. Not to mention the hypocrisy of the bans. I don't know why he is magically immune and anyone who ever posts the most slightly off topic comment is banned when in my time on the forum I've seen thousands of posts where users call out another user's post history to show people how shitty they are not to mention the other weird bans people get that are maybe-kinda-sorta justified if you're a Robocop mod.
amazing how one guy can cause so much ass blasted pain
So is Tudd like a social experiment or are the mods all having a giggle at the community's expense?
[QUOTE=cr2142;53048928]You guys get too wrapped on a fucking internet forum, chillout[/QUOTE] Look dude i'm not the mod police but at the point where you have banned [B]30[/B] regular, long-time users all at once for this I think it's fair to say it's time to consider a new approach to whatever the problem here is because obviously there has been a failure somewhere I don't make a habit of going around criticizing the mods here but come on...
[QUOTE=cr2142;53048928]You guys get too wrapped on a fucking internet forum, chillout[/QUOTE] I don't really like this argument. I mean I understand it, but some of us have been here longer than the rust kiddies have been alive. Its our little corner of the internet and I rather see it remain another day as the facepunch I know
[QUOTE=cr2142;53048928]You guys get too wrapped on a fucking internet forum, chillout[/QUOTE] People like talking to people without someone trying to fish for responses without inflammatory comments. Who knew.
[QUOTE=cr2142;53048928]You guys get too wrapped on a fucking internet forum, chillout[/QUOTE] i've spent 11 years of my life somewhat tied with this forum, of course when i think the people leading it are making concerning mistakes im going to make a complaint. i've generally had no qualms with how facepunch runs outside of isolated incidents but it has really made a push towards being a more serious forum which means less room for the moderators to be lax; keeping a poster around that is clearly breaking some of the rules and has received constant complaint just because he's a mod or two's "pet" should not be happening. i seriously think if somebody else was doing exactly what tudd is currently doing they would be gone pretty quick
I like Tudd. I don't visit conservative websites so it's good to get news and options from his side.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;53048933]Look dude i'm not the mod police but at the point where you have banned [B]30[/B] regular, long-time users all at once for this I think it's fair to say it's time to consider a new approach to whatever the problem here is because obviously there has been a failure somewhere[/QUOTE] Its still only a warning though, not an out right ban. If your long time uses as mentioned wouldnt you realise this?
[QUOTE=dark soul;53048938]I like Tudd. I don't visit conservative websites so it's good to get news and options from his side.[/QUOTE] I think most of the conservatives here have disowned tudd so I'm not sure he's an accurate source of news about conservatives
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