• GOP Prepares to "Roll Back" Endangered Species Act
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[quote=Metronews.ca] [B]GOP targets landmark Endangered Species Act for Big Changes [/B] Source: [url]http://www.metronews.ca/news/world/2017/01/17/gop-targets-landmark-endangered-species-act-for-big-changes.html[/url] BILLINGS, Mont. — In control of Congress and soon the White House, Republicans are readying plans to roll back the influence of the Endangered Species Act, one of the government's most powerful conservation tools, after decades of complaints that [U]it hinders drilling, logging and other activities.[/U] ... Simply by striking a few key words from the law, it could be transformed from a tool to protect huge areas of habitat for imperiled species into little more than limits on hunting for protected animals, said J.B. Ruhl, a Vanderbilt University law professor considered a leading expert on the act. "There's a lot of evidence that some species are conservation-reliant," Ruhl said. [B]Political fights over certain species have dragged out for decades, he added, because recovering them from "the brink of extinction is a lot harder than we thought." [/B][/quote] Because fuck conservation, I guess...
Oh, boy. This is a huge fuck you to the environmentalists and the environment itself. This may be crazy, but what if they pull like an O' Hare from The Lorax and cut down the environment so they could [I]sell[/I] us things like fresh air?
You gotta be fucking kidding me
good thing i don't have any hope or i'd have lost it
because screwing over the people isn't enough - we better ruin the fucking fauna and flora too!
Man these guys really want to destroy the world for a handful of dollars, don't they?
[QUOTE=Joazzz;51683210]because screwing over the people isn't enough - we better ruin the fucking fauna and flora too![/QUOTE] People don't realize that being anti-establishment involves killing yourself very slowly as well in the process. You're not gonna stop the rich by being stupid. As George Carlin said it best: "The people are Fucked!"
Shit like this is why I say that while the Democrats have a lot of problems, the Republicans are like comic book villain levels of bad.
Pictured here is the GOP leader preparing to deliver this news [img]http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/captain-planet-hoggish-greedly.jpg[/img]
Can't wait until bee's go 100% extinct and mass starvation happens tbh
well, this'll sure stick it to all them libtards and their damn LOGIC right who needs it??! [editline]17th January 2017[/editline] the GOP is pants on head retarded and I can't respect anyone who knowingly voted for this. sorry but this begs belief.
TBH, there do need to be some changes. There are some endangered animals that need to just be allowed to die. The Delta Smelt in California is a perfect example. Ridiculous amounts of money spend, tons of fresh water wasted, etc. for basically zero positive effect.
Man I never see the pro-Trump people in threads like this, weird ain't it? I'm really curious to hear even one reason why this isn't scummy as fuck Edit: and just like that I've been ninja'd. And yeah that above post is about what I'd expect lmao
[QUOTE=laharlsblade;51683281]Man I never see the pro-Trump people in threads like this, weird ain't it? I'm really curious to hear even one reason why this isn't scummy as fuck Edit: and just like that I've been ninja'd[/QUOTE] I'm not pro Trump.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51683284]I'm not pro Trump.[/QUOTE] Well then I'm still waiting for that first part
[QUOTE=sgman91;51683278]TBH, there do need to be some changes. There are some endangered animals that need to just be allowed to die. The Delta Smelt in California is a perfect example. Ridiculous amounts of money spend, tons of fresh water wasted, etc. for basically zero positive effect.[/QUOTE] So the solution is just to cut the whole thing entirely because you think a few of them aren't worth it? It's okay to say something is fucked up man, we won't judge you. You don't have to defend everything they do. edit: I realized after rereading you didn't actually say that you supported this or not, but are you fine with this happening?
[QUOTE=WhichStrider;51683296]So the solution is just to cut the whole thing entirely because you think a few of them aren't worth it? It's okay to say something is fucked up man, we won't judge you. You don't have to defend everything they do. edit: I realized after rereading you didn't actually say that you supported this or not, but are you fine with this happening?[/QUOTE] I'm for a modification of the law that takes out the ridiculous parts, yes. Does this specific modification do that? I don't and would have to do more research.
Every day the republican party makes it a little harder for me to call them just assholes and more just outright evil
If only Teddy Roosevelt could see his party now.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51683278]There are some endangered animals that need to just be allowed to die.[/QUOTE] why?
[QUOTE=Cructo;51683423]i'll bite, what do you expect Trump supporters to do? I agree with you that this is a bad decision, so should like every Trump supporter come in and argue about how hard we agree on it lol[/QUOTE] lets not pretend this is the only issue trump supporters abstain in discussion about, I think thats what he was referring to.
Next up for the GOP: Pass the "nuke the whales" bill.
[QUOTE]after decades of complaints that it hinders drilling, logging and other activities.[/QUOTE] Well what the fuck else is an environmental protection law supposed to do, [I]increase[/I] environmental destruction?
[QUOTE=laharlsblade;51683281]Man I never see the pro-Trump people in threads like this, weird ain't it? I'm really curious to hear even one reason why this isn't scummy as fuck Edit: and just like that I've been ninja'd. And yeah that above post is about what I'd expect lmao[/QUOTE] Just because someone is pro Trump doesn't mean they support everything that's happening. From what I can understand of the article, they're not completely looking to remove it. They're in discussions for it, and so far it looks like it's to help out a few areas that maybe don't need it. For example... [quote]In the House, Rep. Tom McClintock of California, chairman of the House Subcommittee on Federal Lands, said he wants to ease logging restrictions in national forests to reduce tree density blamed for catastrophic wildfires.[/quote] A few tweaks like this could be seen as positive, since it would prevent certain problems. Even this seems like it could be a positive thing... [quote]Some Democrats, too, have been frustrated with the law: Minnesota Rep. Collin Peterson and two other Democrats joined 11 Republicans last week on a bill to end protections for wolves in the Great Lakes and Wyoming.[/quote] ... seeing as this... [quote]another emblematic species — the wolf — has emerged as a prime example of what critics say is wrong with the current law: seemingly endless litigation that offers federal protection for species long after government biologists conclude that they have recovered.[/quote] ... and ... [quote]Wolf attacks on livestock have provoked hostility against the law, which keeps the animals off-limits to hunting in most states.[/quote] Obviously there can be some harsher 'tweaks' to the law, but if done right I could see this being a positive thing.
[QUOTE=laharlsblade;51683281]Man I never see the pro-Trump people in threads like this, weird ain't it? I'm really curious to hear even one reason why this isn't scummy as fuck Edit: and just like that I've been ninja'd. And yeah that above post is about what I'd expect lmao[/QUOTE] You're a complete fool. You're generalizing, as if everyone who voted Trump immediately swore a cultist like oath to believe whatever the orange man says is right. You do realize people have differing opinions, right? That the mass of humanity isn't completely the same? There's hundreds of thousands of people who think trump's actions and beliefs aren't the best course of action, yet chose him anyways because it was a choice between two candidates. You and other people make these damned posts out of spite, rage. I get it. Trump and his actions are asinine. But what's happened, is done. You don't fix things by writing angrily on a forum about your hatred of all things Trump. You really want this to end? You, and everyone who has some semblance of agreeance with this post? Go write to your governor, talk to local politicians. Spread the word to do the same. Posting about how Trump is a horrible choice and anyone who voted for him is a terrible person only divides people more. You can't meet polarized opinion with even stronger opposition. That's sure as hell not what people need. And it doesn't do a single damned thing for your cause or beliefs. It only serves AGAINST you, to harm your and the people who share similar beliefs appearance. Do something else beyond this to solve your issues with this country, because posting on a forum with less than 50k people out of rage sure as hell won't help. [editline]17th January 2017[/editline] This goes for everyone who has made a post similar to his. And this doesn't just stop with the Trump issues. This expands into every facet, every moment of conflict in our entire lives. Use rational thinking when you act. I'm no saint myself when it comes to this approach, but I'm starting to sure as hell come closer to it the longer I read these forums. [editline]17th January 2017[/editline] If it wasn't obvious enough, I'm against this and against most of trump's values and beliefs. Just try to do something more than talk about how you despise what's going on politically. Take action. Stand up for what you believe in. And try to not divide people more than they are already. You need to be accepting, tolerant. Not spiteful and quick to lash out. Being kind is an essential thing to keep people together in life.
[quote]after decades of complaints that it hinders drilling, logging and other activities.[/quote] Get fucked.
[QUOTE=sgman91;51683278]TBH, there do need to be some changes. There are some endangered animals that need to just be allowed to die. [/QUOTE] People who think like you are the reason humanity is dooming itself and this planet. We are on the verge of the next great extinction event and its mainly our own fault. We have a moral responsibility to do everything we can to prevent that. Every endangered species saved from extinction is a good thing - they have the same right to be here that you do and since its our fault they're dissapearing, its up to us to reverse that. Even if you're selfish and you only care about yourself (or to a lesser extent, you only care about the human race), it is critical to you and your descendent's survival to protect the environment that we live in. To be honest, perhaps we should just allow you to die, you sound like a waste of resources in your own right.
Will this cause the red wolf to go extinct? Already critically endangered and most of their habitat is farmland / logging areas. If so, fuck man.
conservatives, conservation, conservatives conserving nature? nope, fucking kill everything and burn it all to the ground
[QUOTE=Cructo;51683423]i'll bite, what do you expect Trump supporters to do? I agree with you that this is a bad decision, so should like every Trump supporter come in and argue about how hard we agree on it lol[/QUOTE] I think it's more the "you allowed this to happen" mentality but that doesn't really apply to anyone outside the U.S. like yourself
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