[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42058686[/url]
[quote]President Trump has announced that the US is re-designating North Korea a state sponsor of terrorism, nine years after it was removed from the list.
In a cabinet meeting, he said the move would trigger "very large" additional sanctions to be announced on Tuesday.
Mr Trump blamed the country's nuclear programme, and support for what he called international acts of terrorism.
While announcing the decision, the US president said it "should have happened a long time ago".
Speaking at the White House, Mr Trump said that North Korea had "repeatedly supported international acts of terrorism" and that the regime must act lawfully and also cease its nuclear weapons programme.[/quote]
Pretty sure they already were deemed a terror state by a lot? Like South Korea when they hijacked that airline?
Rest of the world declares Trump 'huge idiot'
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;52909310]Pretty sure they already were deemed a terror state by a lot? Like South Korea when they hijacked that airline?[/QUOTE]
They were removed from the USA's list 9 years ago.
Pot calling the kettle black for America to be calling people out for supposedly supporting terror what with all the arms deals the US has had a direct hand in.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52909459]Pot calling the kettle black for America to be calling people out for supposedly supporting terror what with all the arms deals the US has had a direct hand in.[/QUOTE]
Yeah pal USA just as bad as north korea you got us
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52909511]Yeah pal USA just as bad as north korea you got us[/QUOTE]
I don't have much time to type this, they are watching. I am working 12hrs a day, 7 days a week for $10/week and only allowed 1 loaf of bread per week. There are televisions all over the place that play Trump speeches on loop. Send help, please hurry.
North Korea is a distraction.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52909459]Pot calling the kettle black for America to be calling people out for supposedly supporting terror what with all the arms deals the US has had a direct hand in.[/QUOTE]
Call Mom they found out I'm smuggling rifles to them chineses
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52909511]Yeah pal USA just as bad as north korea you got us[/QUOTE]
Yeah the USA is perfect because we aren't nk so we can't be called out for supporting terrorist groups you got him.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;52909611]Yeah the USA is perfect because we aren't nk so we can't be called out for supporting terrorist groups you got him.[/QUOTE]
That's not the same thing as "the pot calling the kettle black," holy shit. Until we're a communist hellhole with death camps and generational punishments you can put that line of rhetoric back in the trash can.
North Korea: Sponsored terrorism -> gets called a 'sponsor of terror' by a head of state -> Acceptible
USA: Sponsored terrorism -> gets called a 'sponsor of terror' by internet asshat -> Woah there buddy you crossed a line!
[QUOTE=MightyLOLZOR;52909558]North Korea is a distraction.[/QUOTE]
I think it's alright to say that a country with a crazed dictator that has nukes is something worthy of attention.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52909684]North Korea: Sponsored terrorism -> gets called a 'sponsor of terror' by a head of state -> Acceptible
USA: Sponsored terrorism -> gets called a 'sponsor of terror' by internet asshat -> Woah there buddy you crossed a line![/QUOTE]
Wtf are you smokin dawg? How do you not see how NK is significantly worse than the US and why it's absolutely ridiculous to equate the two in any sense?
Like, Trump said NK is a sponsor of terrorism, which is true, but must be untrue simply because Trump said it, and now the US is as bad as North Korea. OK, this is completely rational thought.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52909731]Wtf are you smokin dawg? How do you not see how NK is significantly worse than the US and why it's absolutely ridiculous to equate the two in any sense?
Like, Trump said NK is a sponsor of terrorism, which is true, but must be untrue simply because Trump said it, and now the US is as bad as North Korea. OK, this is completely rational thought.[/QUOTE]
I never said anything about what North Korea's been doing. The US has had bloodied hands long, [I]long[/I] before Trump was sworn in, before there was even a North Korea. NK is a terrible dictatorship, but its existance does not absolve any other nation from their sins in the slightest.
For once, this isn't about Trump specifically. It's about the US's unethical deals and horrid actions commited to destablise other nations.
After some of these quality posts full of effort and free of whataboutism here is my two cents:
[QUOTE=The Independent]Mr Tillerson called the designation as "very symbolic...practical effects may be limited but hopefully clos[es] off loopholes" in existing sanctions for "dual use" product exports that can be used by civilian and military end-users within North Korea.
Those products require separate licenses to sell under US export regulations. [/QUOTE]
What is exactly wrong with this? This declaration is not just some deflecting PR move, it serves a specific purpose (US made dual-use equipment ending up in North Korean hands is in fact happened before, they smuggled in about the 60 or so MD-500 helis during the 80s).
Besides, it was only taken off the list before to help with the nuclear negotioations, which are obviously beyond redemption at this point.
Not to mention the particularly bad shit NK pulled off not just long ago (if you look beyond the nuclear tests there is still an extraterritorial assassination with a banned nerve agent at a public place).
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52909770]I never said anything about what North Korea's been doing. The US has had bloodied hands long, [I]long[/I] before Trump was sworn in, before there was even a North Korea. NK is a terrible dictatorship, but its existance does not absolve any other nation from their sins in the slightest.
For once, this isn't about Trump specifically. It's about the US's unethical deals and horrid actions commited to destablise other nations.[/QUOTE]
You equated US to NK ("[I]the pot calling the kettle black[/I]") which is horse shit. It is flat-out delusion, regardless of the reason. Nobody should even entertain that notion because it's outrageous and total tripe. In terms of ethics quandaries the US and NK are not even in the same galaxy.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52909783]You equated US to NK ("[I]the pot calling the kettle black[/I]") which is horse shit. It is flat-out delusion, regardless of the reason. Nobody should even entertain that notion because it's outrageous and total tripe. In terms of ethics quandaries the US and NK are not even in the same galaxy.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure he was talking specifically about the terrorism thing... which is comparable
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;52909783]You equated US to NK ("[I]the pot calling the kettle black[/I]") which is horse shit. It is flat-out delusion, regardless of the reason. Nobody should even entertain that notion because it's outrageous and total tripe. In terms of ethics quandaries the US and NK are not even in the same galaxy.[/QUOTE]
Both side having supported terrorism is enough for the phase to be applied. "The pot calling the kettle black" means to accuse someone of the same thing one is guilty of doing themselves and so it's perfectly apt to use when one terror-sponsor is calling another terror-sponsor a terror-sponsor no matter what else the pot and the kettle are getting up to.
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52909796]Pretty sure he was talking specifically about the terrorism thing... which is comparable[/QUOTE]
Except it isnt
[QUOTE=Talon 733;52909820]Except it isnt[/QUOTE]
That's pure American Exceptionalism talking.
[QUOTE=Talon 733;52909820]Except it isnt[/QUOTE]
Helpful, and why not?
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;52909872]Helpful, and why not?[/QUOTE]
If i really need to explain to you how the US isnt even close to being as bad as NK then you are either trolling or just flat out ignorant
[QUOTE=Talon 733;52909906]If i really need to explain to you how the US isnt even close to being as bad as NK then you are either trolling or just flat out ignorant[/QUOTE]
We're not talking about levels of evil here, I said both the US and NK have supported terrorist groups and therefore there is an amount of hypocracy here. If you want to prove that the US hasn't ever supported a terrorist group in its long history of arms deals and such then be my guest. But listing all of NK's crimes against its citizens and beyond is just dodging the issue.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52909914]We're not talking about levels of evil here, I said both the US and NK have supported terrorist groups and therefore there is an amount of hypocracy here. If you want to prove that the US hasn't ever supported a terrorist group in its long history of arms deals and such then be my guest. But listing all of NK's crimes against its citizens and beyond is just dodging the issue.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Pretty sure he was talking specifically about the terrorism thing... [U][B]which is comparable[/B][/U][/QUOTE]
Except i wasnt replying to your comment, also i never said the US has never done anything wrong but until you can PROVE that we have death camps, shoot anyone that tries to leave the country, are currently threatening countries with nuclear war, and have public executions then my previous comment still stands. We are [B]NOWHERE [/B]even close to being as bad as them, also the UK is no saint when it comes to sponsored terrorism, sorry to break your heart on that one
[QUOTE=Talon 733;52909964]Except i wasnt replying to your comment, also i never said the US has never done anything wrong but until you can PROVE that we have death camps, shoot anyone that tries to leave the country, are currently threatening countries with nuclear war, and have public executions then my previous comment still stands. We are [B]NOWHERE [/B]even close to being as bad as them, also the UK is no saint when it comes to sponsored terrorism, sorry to break your heart on that one[/QUOTE]
Ok, captain, let me spell it out for you.
I don't think the US is as bad as North Korea.
What I'm saying is that [U]both the US and North Korea have sponsored terrorist groups. To condemn one nation for a [B]particular[/B] crime (in this case, supporting terrorist groups) that you yourself have commited then that is hypocrisy.[/U]
That is what I've said, that is only what I've said, and that is what I am continuing to say. Please, tell me how condeming one person for a crime you have commited yourself isn't hypocrisy.
They were already on the list before, they were taken off about 8 or 9 years ago in the hopes it would help with nuclear talks. It hasn't. So back they go
[QUOTE=Talon 733;52909964]Except i wasnt replying to your comment, also i never said the US has never done anything wrong but until you can PROVE that we have death camps, shoot anyone that tries to leave the country, are currently threatening countries with nuclear war, and have public executions then my previous comment still stands. We are [B]NOWHERE [/B]even close to being as bad as them, also the UK is no saint when it comes to sponsored terrorism, sorry to break your heart on that one[/QUOTE]
The answers to this are literally in the posts you quoted. [I]We're not talking about levels of evil here. Listing all of NK's crimes against its citizens and beyond is just dodging the issue. Pretty sure he was talking specifically about the terrorism thing.[/I] Nobody is disagreeing with you that NK is worse than the US in a huge number of ways, all that was said was that the US has also sponsored terrorism. [I]"Pot calling the kettle black"[/I] doesn't mean that he thinks they are completely equal on all points, or even necessarily on that point.
[QUOTE=DiscoInferno;52910006]Ok, captain, let me spell it out for you.
I don't think the US is as bad as North Korea.
What I'm saying is that [U]both the US and North Korea have sponsored terrorist groups. To condemn one nation for a [B]particular[/B] crime (in this case, supporting terrorist groups) that you yourself have commited then that is hypocrisy.[/U]
That is what I've said, that is only what I've said, and that is what I am continuing to say. Please, tell me how condeming one person for a crime you have commited yourself isn't hypocrisy.[/QUOTE]
There's an easy answer to this: being a sponsor of terror doesn't mean your country sponsored terror at some point. It means you are currently knowingly and willingly sponsoring terror.
[QUOTE=Talon 733;52909820]Except it isnt[/QUOTE]
America literally funded and trained Osama Bin Laden during the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
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