• 'Gitmo is killing me': Inmate describes horror of being force-fed by tube
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[QUOTE]In a dramatic first-person account, a detainee has described being force-fed at the Guantanamo Bay military prison. One of dozens of men on a hunger strike, Samir Naji al Hasan Moqbel says he has lost more than 30 pounds in the past two months. A fellow inmate weighs just 77 pounds, he says. “I will never forget the first time they passed the feeding tube up my nose. I can’t describe how painful it is to be force-fed this way,” Mr. Moqbel, a 35-year-old Yemeni citizen who is accused of being a guard for Osama bin Laden, writes in the New York Times. Mr. Moqbel’s tale, which was related to his lawyers by telephone, comes as the prolonged hunger strike at the Guantanamo Bay facility is grabbing headlines. “It certainly refocuses some public attention on Guantanamo,” said Matthew Waxman, a law professor at Columbia University who is a former Pentagon adviser on detainee issues. “That said, hunger strikes, even very significant hunger strikes, have occurred there before and I doubt that this will have any significant impact on U.S. policy.” On Saturday, guards and prisoners clashed as the military moved hunger strikers from a communal section of the facility into single cells after they covered up security cameras and blocked windows. The U.S. military, which runs the prison at a base in Cuba, says guards fired four non-lethal rounds after prisoners fought them with makeshift weapons, including broomsticks. Detainees began the hunger strike on Feb. 6 in protest of their open-ended confinement and what the men consider intrusive searches of their Korans for contraband, according to prisoners’ lawyers. The military says the protest involves 43 prisoners, while lawyers say almost all of the 166 detainees are refusing food. “People are fainting with exhaustion every day. I have vomited blood,” Mr. Moqbel writes in his op-ed, under the headline “Gitmo is Killing Me.” “And there is no end in sight to our imprisonment. Denying ourselves food and risking death every day is the choice we have made.” The military force-feeds a liquid nutrient mixture to prisoners who refuse to eat to prevent them from starving to death. “Two times a day they tie me to a chair in my cell. My arms, legs and head are strapped down. I never know when they will come. Sometimes they come during the night, as late as 11 p.m., when I’m sleeping,” Mr. Moqbel writes. “There are so many of us on hunger strike now that there aren’t enough qualified medical staff members to carry out the force-feedings; nothing is happening at regular intervals. They are feeding people around the clock just to keep up.” [/QUOTE] [url]http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/gitmo-is-killing-me-inmate-describes-horror-of-being-force-fed-by-tube/article11220025/[/url]
How can this place still exist? So much illegal shit seems to happen there and yet nothing at all seems to be done about it. Or is it because most prisoners there are "sub-human scum" as believed by the public?
[QUOTE=itisjuly;40291506]How can this place still exist? So much illegal shit seems to happen there and yet nothing at all seems to be done about it. Or is it because most prisoners there are "sub-human scum" as believed by the public?[/QUOTE] On the other hand, they're not in Saudi Arabia being tortured daily. [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] Not justifying this place, but there are places much worse.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40291531]On the other hand, they're not in Saudi Arabia being tortured daily. [/QUOTE] no they're in cuba being tortured daily much better climate
[QUOTE=itisjuly;40291506]How can this place still exist? So much illegal shit seems to happen there and yet nothing at all seems to be done about it. Or is it because most prisoners there are "sub-human scum" as believed by the public?[/QUOTE] Simple: It's been so long that we've all forgotten about them. After Obama completely caved on trying to close it, everyone stopped giving a shit. Those people are going to be there until they die, without ever being charged, tried, or convicted.
The people who allow this place to exist are the scum of the Earth.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;40291506]How can this place still exist? So much illegal shit seems to happen there and yet nothing at all seems to be done about it. Or is it because most prisoners there are "sub-human scum" as believed by the public?[/QUOTE] Force feeding isn't illegal
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;40291531]On the other hand, they're not in Saudi Arabia being tortured daily. [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] Not justifying this place, but there are places much worse.[/QUOTE] Inmates at Gitmo are beaten.
[QUOTE=scout1;40293001]Force feeding isn't illegal[/QUOTE] Torture also isn't illegal if you change the definition of torture to suit your needs.
[QUOTE=laserguided;40293040]Torture also isn't illegal if you change the definition of torture to suit your needs.[/QUOTE] Then why don't we argue about how everything is illegal because you can twist it so suit your own needs...
[QUOTE=scout1;40293188]Then why don't we argue about how everything is illegal because you can twist it so suit your own needs...[/QUOTE] Go on? I don't understand what you are trying to say.
wow are people actually defending guantanamo, fucking idiots
[QUOTE=laserguided;40293209]Go on? I don't understand what you are trying to say.[/QUOTE] Eating isn't illegal if you change the definition of eating to suit your needs. Force feeding isn't illegal. Get over it and stop pretending it's some loophole abuse.
[QUOTE=scout1;40293319]Eating isn't illegal if you change the definition of eating to suit your needs. Force feeding isn't illegal. Get over it and stop pretending it's some loophole abuse.[/QUOTE] It's freaking barbaric
scout are you really trying to defend gitmo?
[QUOTE=scout1;40293188]Then why don't we argue about how everything is illegal because you can twist it so suit your own needs...[/QUOTE] But that is true though. The powers that be could probably dig up dirt on you and have you arrested for something you did years ago if they really wanted to and looked hard enough since practically everything has been made illegal. It is great for blackmailing political opponents and getting what you want. Kind of like what happened to Julian Assange.
nobody tell deviantart
[QUOTE=scout1;40293319]Eating isn't illegal if you change the definition of eating to suit your needs. Force feeding isn't illegal. Get over it and stop pretending it's some loophole abuse.[/QUOTE] So force feeding is okay for you? Something doesn't have to be illegal for it to be cruel.
[QUOTE=Stopper;40292952]The people who allow this place to exist are the scum of the Earth.[/QUOTE] Is this irony? The citizens of America are allowing it. They pay congressmen, they forget about all the horrors as soon as the media stops covering it, and they don't revolt.
[QUOTE=JerryK;40293343]scout are you really trying to defend gitmo?[/QUOTE] I'm not going to accuse them of breaking a law that doesn't exist
[QUOTE=nitedal;40293413]So force feeding is okay for you? Something doesn't have to be illegal for it to be cruel.[/QUOTE] Where exactly are you getting that? All he said was that it's legal, because it is. At no point did he give his opinion of the matter.
[QUOTE=scout1;40293471]I'm not going to accuse them of breaking a law that doesn't exist[/QUOTE] But you may think about why that law doesn't exist. Or why Gitmo is treated different from the usual US law.
[QUOTE=Killuah;40293523]But you may think about why that law doesn't exist. Or why Gitmo is treated different from the usual US law.[/QUOTE] The law doesn't exist, but it does, but it's not followed? Please make up your mind
[quote=wiki]Under United States jurisdiction, force-feeding is frequently[8][9] used in the U.S. military prison in Guantanamo Bay, prompting in March 2006 an open letter by 250 doctors in the The Lancet, warning that, in their opinion, the participation of any doctor is contrary to the rules of the World Medical Association.[10] Retired Major General Paul E. Vallely visited Guantanamo and reported on the process of force feeding:[11][/quote] Thank god they don't break any US laws, right scout1, right? Who cares about other views of the matter!
[QUOTE=Jookia;40293467]Is this irony? The citizens of America are allowing it. They pay congressmen, they forget about all the horrors as soon as the media stops covering it, and they don't revolt.[/QUOTE] Perhaps they are tacitly allowing it, though it's not like they have any choice. Most people aren't willing to put their lives on the line in a revolt against the government, and understandably so.
[QUOTE=Killuah;40293561]Thank god they don't break any US laws, right scout1, right?[/QUOTE] That's not even close to a law. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Medical_Association]Please read up on what the WMA is.[/url] PETA declares that eating meat is illegal... should I come after your ass for breaking a non-existent law?
[QUOTE=scout1;40293590]That's not even close to a law. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Medical_Association]Please read up on what the WMA is.[/url] PETA declares that eating meat is illegal... should I come after your ass for breaking a non-existent law?[/QUOTE] One is Peta and one is the World Medical Association. I can't believe that you make up your mind about what is ethically right and wrong by whether there's a law against it or not.
[QUOTE=scout1;40293539]The law doesn't exist, but it does, but it's not followed? Please make up your mind[/QUOTE] Are you really fucking suggesting that because there's no law forbidding it that it's fine to do shit like this? You are fucked in the head.
[QUOTE=Killuah;40293645]One is Peta and one is the World Medical Association. I can't believe that you make up your mind about what is ethically right and wrong by whether there's a law against it or not.[/QUOTE] So PETA could be renamed the "World Animal Association." It doesn't make [B]a lick of fucking difference.[/B] They have no authority. There is no binding rule or regulation. They just said "Hey, this isn't cool." That is not a law. That is not even close to a law. And don't you strawman me on ethics when I tell you a law doesn't exist and you jump all over pretending it does so you can take a shot at something you don't like. [editline]15th April 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Amez;40293646]Are you really fucking suggesting that because there's no law forbidding it that it's fine to do shit like this? You are fucked in the head.[/QUOTE] Show me where I said that.
The guards who work there are probably fucked up in the head and probably love torturing the prisoners there, sickening really.
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