• President Barack Obama Orders Federal Employees To Spy On Each Other To Stop Future Leaks
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[QUOTE]WASHINGTON — In an initiative aimed at rooting out future leakers and other security violators, President Barack Obama has ordered federal employees to report suspicious actions of their colleagues based on behavioral profiling techniques that are not scientifically proven to work, according to experts and government documents. The techniques are a key pillar of the Insider Threat Program, an unprecedented government-wide crackdown under which millions of federal bureaucrats and contractors must watch out for “high-risk persons or behaviors” among co-workers. Those who fail to report them could face penalties, including criminal charges. Obama mandated the program in an October 2011 executive order after Army Pfc. Bradley Manning downloaded hundreds of thousands of documents from a classified computer network and gave them to WikiLeaks, the anti-government secrecy group. The order covers virtually every federal department and agency, including the Peace Corps, the Department of Education and others not directly involved in national security. Under the program, which is being implemented with little public attention, security investigations can be launched when government employees showing “indicators of insider threat behavior” are reported by co-workers, according to previously undisclosed administration documents obtained by McClatchy. Investigations also can be triggered when “suspicious user behavior” is detected by computer network monitoring and reported to “insider threat personnel.” Federal employees and contractors are asked to pay particular attention to the lifestyles, attitudes and behaviors – like financial troubles, odd working hours or unexplained travel – of co-workers as a way to predict whether they might do “harm to the United States.” Managers of special insider threat offices will have “regular, timely, and, if possible, electronic, access” to employees’ personnel, payroll, disciplinary and “personal contact” files, as well as records of their use of classified and unclassified computer networks, polygraph results, travel reports and financial disclosure forms. Over the years, numerous studies of public and private workers who’ve been caught spying, leaking classified information, stealing corporate secrets or engaging in sabotage have identified psychological profiles that could offer clues to possible threats. Administration officials want government workers trained to look for such indicators and report them so the next violation can be stopped before it happens. “In past espionage cases, we find people saw things that may have helped identify a spy, but never reported it,” said Gene Barlow, a spokesman for the Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive, which oversees government efforts to detect threats like spies and computer hackers and is helping implement the Insider Threat Program. “That is why the awareness effort of the program is to teach people not only what types of activity to report, but how to report it and why it is so important to report it.” But even the government’s top scientific advisers have questioned these techniques. Those experts say that trying to predict future acts through behavioral monitoring is unproven and could result in illegal ethnic and racial profiling and privacy violations. “There is no consensus in the relevant scientific community nor on the committee regarding whether any behavioral surveillance or physiological monitoring techniques are ready for use at all,” concluded a 2008 National Research Council report on detecting terrorists. [/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/07/09/196211/linchpin-for-obamas-plan-to-predict.html[/URL]
fuck off obama
Some real 1984 shit right there.
9/11, nazi, TERRORISM, planes, m16, bomb, bomb, bomb, school, ak47, osama bin laden, hitler nsa please read my first post
Stay vigilant comrades, inform your comissars of any traitors to the motherland. Sound familiar to anyone?
The biggest problem I have with this is that it isn't scientifically proven to work, and it was mandated by a president who was very big on using science to come to conclusions.
but he's not he's telling them to report suspicious things
I guess I'm a little unclear, is this a new law or just something Obama strongly feels should be implemented? In either case it's really fucking stupid, and not just because the profiling methods don't work.
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[QUOTE=Bobsters34;41386018]fuck off obama[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bobsters34;41386038]9/11, nazi, TERRORISM, planes, m16, bomb, bomb, bomb, school, ak47, osama bin laden, hitler nsa please read my first post[/QUOTE] Oh shit, has your childminder cut herself on your edges yet?
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;41386091]I guess I'm a little unclear, is this a new law or just something Obama strongly feels should be implemented? In either case it's really fucking stupid, and not just because the profiling methods don't work.[/QUOTE] It's in the article, but Obama told government employees to report suspicious behavior. If they don't and a person they were in contact with goes rogue, they could be brought to court.
[QUOTE=valkery;41386123]It's in the article, but Obama told government employees to report suspicious behavior. If they don't and a person they were in contact with goes rogue, they could be brought to court.[/QUOTE] Ah, okay. I must've missed that part. I still don't think this is even remotely a good idea, you'll just get people reporting people they don't like. Even if that amounts to nothing in the end, it's still a waste of time and a source of ill-feeling and paranoia.
This is so fucking dumb. Is this really going to prevent somebody taking a sick day and spilling out information? No.
Nice going Eddie. I knew this would happen and it will get worse. If he was a real hero he would of left the U.S. and never spoke of anything he found and never return and take that dark information to his grave for the good of the people to prevent terror and panic and possible wars. Instead he tells everyone and has now caused panic and terror and there might be war now. Good going Eddie you fucking traitor.
[QUOTE=Ekalektik_1;41386091]I guess I'm a little unclear, is this a new law or just something Obama strongly feels should be implemented? In either case it's really fucking stupid, and not just because the profiling methods don't work.[/QUOTE] [quote]There is established an interagency Insider Threat Task Force that shall develop a Government-wide program (insider threat program) for deterring, detecting, and mitigating insider threats, including the safeguarding of classified information from exploitation, compromise, or other unauthorized disclosure, taking into account risk levels, as well as the distinct needs, missions, and systems of individual agencies.[/quote] Executive Order 13587, Sec. 6 [url]http://www.dni.gov/index.php/about/organization/ic-legal-reference-book-2012/ref-book-eo-13587[/url] EDIT: [quote]within 1 year of the date of this order, issuing those minimum standards and guidance, which shall be binding on the executive branch;[/quote] The Order was given on October 13, 2011, so this stuff should theoretically be in effect already as of October 13, 2012
"Tim, your cubicle buddy saw you placing paper clips in your back pocket yesterday afternoon. I'm sorry." "No. Please, no! I forgot to take them out before I left. Please! Give me another chance! I didn't mean it!!" "No Tim. We are transferring you to Detroit." "NO! NOT DETROIT! NOOOOOooooo!!!!"
[QUOTE=lolz3;41386221]Nice going Eddie. I knew this would happen and it will get worse. If he was a real hero he would of left the U.S. and never spoke of anything he found and never return and take that dark information to his grave for the good of the people to prevent terror and panic and possible wars. Instead he tells everyone and has now caused panic and terror and there might be war now. Good going Eddie you fucking traitor.[/QUOTE] you can't be serious
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[QUOTE=supersnail11;41386072]but he's not he's telling them to report suspicious things[/QUOTE] Really, you could just make a thread titled Obama Coffee NSA Lemon Motor Spying Train and post some lorem ipsum inside, and nobody would notice.
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[QUOTE=Mingebox;41386441]Really, you could just make a thread titled Obama Coffee NSA Lemon Motor Spying Train and post some lorem ipsum inside, and nobody would notice.[/QUOTE] Who needs to read the article? I need to post a bunch of terror keywords followed by HURR NSA GET ME NOW then make some dry observation of America becoming 1984 and then if I'm feeling really wild maybe quote Benjamin Franklin 'Those who would something freedom something SECURITY IS BAD'. Only on Facepunch is 'report suspicious behavior' indicative of our descent into an Orwellian nightmare.
Hate to play to Godwin here, but didn't this same thing happen in Nazi Germany? Shits fucked man.
[QUOTE=lolz3;41386221]Nice going Eddie. I knew this would happen and it will get worse. If he was a real hero he would of left the U.S. and never spoke of anything he found and never return and take that dark information to his grave for the good of the people to prevent terror and panic and possible wars. Instead he tells everyone and has now caused panic and terror and there might be war now. Good going Eddie you fucking traitor.[/QUOTE] "Let the government stab us in the back by going against the Constitution." Is that what you want? It's pure MaCarthyism.
This is normal shit imo. Ive seen worse at my local highschool. Some janitors were ordered to squeal on each other for extra credit.
[QUOTE=Durrsly;41387046]"Let the government stab us in the back by going against the Constitution." That is what you want?[/QUOTE] More like "Thanks for letting the bad guys know everything"
Criminal charges for NOT helping. NOT helping is now a crime? I'm pretty sure this will get abused... All of it. In general. Imagine if someone had an ax to grind with a fellow government worker? Bad times. EDIT: Define "Bad guys", lolz. All I see are perspectives and opinions when that word is crudely defined.
[QUOTE=lolz3;41387068]the bad guys[/QUOTE] Ooh oh I wanna play this game I'll be robbers and you can be cops.
my birthday is October 13th what a great birthday present
That's just what we need, an atmosphere of total distrust and paranoia. In an intelligence agency.
I'm not liking this. At all. This is a red flag if I've ever seen one. This is about where I draw the line, they already have a huge amount of means to make the country totalitarian, now they're starting with the metaphorical inner party, the government employees. The fact that this is to combat whistle-blowers astounds me, and horrifies me. Honestly I can see without a doubt that this is how it begins.
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