• Labour calls for longer school days
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[B]The school day should be lengthened to prepare pupils for work, says Labour Shadow Education Secretary Stephen Twigg.[/B] A longer day could also help[B] stop teenagers joining gangs and be a haven from chaotic homes[/B], he adds. Speaking at an education conference in Leeds he announced a review of how the classroom could become[B] more relevant to modern work-place[/B]. It will address employers' concerns that [B]a third of school leavers are poorly prepared for work[/B]. The "School to Work" review will be led by Labour MP, Barry Sheerman and follows on from a survey of business leaders who said that while the majority of school leavers were ready to work, around a third were not. It will take evidence from teachers, parents, businesses and universities and look at international best practice on how to prepare young people for employment. Mr Twigg told the North of England Education Conference schools that have already brought in extended days, are giving pupils a better perspective of what will be expected of them once they join the work-place. "[B]A long hours culture has its drawbacks, but how many employers expect their workers to leave the office at 3.30pm?[/B]" He also said that a longer school day could help pupils living in poor housing conditions find a quiet place to study, and persuade others who might be drawn into gangs to stay out of trouble. [B] Schools Minister, Nick Gibb, agreed that extended school hours could improve pupils' prospects.[/B] He said: "Stephen Twigg is absolutely right to call for longer school days. They can raise standards particularly for those children from the poorest backgrounds. "We welcome his support and look forward to working with him to [B]persuade the teaching unions that they should embrace longer school days.[/B]" [B]Mr Twigg also said too many schools were run like 19th Century institutions set up to produce factory workers.[/B] "[B]The workers down tools when they hear the bell ring, and are strictly separated into production lines, focussed on building the constituent parts of knowledge - maths, science etc,[/B]" he said. He also called for more long term partnerships between schools and local businesses which could provide work experience and careers advice for pupils. [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-16427941[/URL]
They can skip classes if they want to. This really won't help.
[QUOTE=GlebGuy;34062987]They can skip classes if they want to. This really won't help.[/QUOTE] Actually that's not so easy in secondary, it's mandatory for all under 16s. Some schools literally hunt down students who are skipping school.
If I remember correctly, places like Germany and China have fairly short (4 hour or so) school days with more at home work. Suppose it helps those independent and wanting to learn excel rather than the opposite. In my experience, seven and a half hours of school a day just leads to repetitive lecturing that many students don't really need. Basically, this seems like the "No child left behind" thing, which does nothing but slow down those that actually care about school.
I'm not sure about the UK but nothing I learned in school prepared me for the work force.
What a bunch of fucking idiots. Fair enough, if it was optional, I think that'd be fairly sweet. No chance in hell I'd do it though, I know everything as well as I need to and am hitting C-A*'s. No need for extra school time, I wouldn't join a gang, my family home isn't "chaotic" and school is definitely not my fucking haven. My school gets rowdy at the 3.05pm finish and even the 2.45pm finish on a Tuesday is still a full day of school. We don't need extra school time; nor do the teachers want to teach longer, as they have to stay until atleast five planning lessons and doing various other tasks, marking etc. Why would they want to teach until they'd usually leave, then stay another 2 hours to mark, yeah, leaving at 7? Nice one, Labour. No, we're children, we don't need to be prepared for work. I find it fucking brilliant how teachers, and students have no say in this. If this passes, fuck that. If it does, fuck this country when I'm 16. [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] Another "Keep little anti-social pricks of the streets" scheme, no-one wants to stay 2 hours later, dammit.
One thing to keep in mind is that college hours are generally longer and more work like, the people who go to college are, generally, the ones who are more likely to get jobs, colleges generally have a much more adult approach to learning. The people who don't go to college should be given public service/military service/job related skill improvements or something, at least that way they're doing something and not hanging out on street corners mugging old grannies.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063000]Actually that's not so easy in secondary, it's mandatory for all under 16s. Some schools literally hunt down students who are skipping school.[/QUOTE] I said I woke up 20 minutes late and I wasn't going to bother, so I rang in. 10 minutes later, some bitch was at my door telling me I had 5 minutes to get my uniform on, my parents weren't happy, and neither was I considering I hadn't showered nor done my hair. (Yes it's long, yes I care about its appearance.) :v:
[Quote] stop teenagers joining gangs and be a haven from chaotic homes[/quote] Yes, because we are all victims of abuse at home and we all go and join gangs. I don't really see how this is going to help. But then again, I would be pissed off as I'm a student.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063068] people who don't go to college should be given military service[/QUOTE] Are you fully retarded, or just a sociopath?
Don't think you guys have much to worry about. As long as Ed Miliband is their leader the UK will be a Labour free zone until most posters here are done with school.
[QUOTE=Erasus;34063081]I said I woke up 20 minutes late and I wasn't going to bother, so I rang in. 10 minutes later, some bitch was at my door telling me I had 5 minutes to get my uniform on, my parents weren't happy, and neither was I considering I hadn't showered nor done my hair.[/QUOTE] College is much better, you're not legally obliged to be there so they don't have to care if you're not in.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063068]One thing to keep in mind is that college hours are generally longer and more work like, the people who go to college are the ones who are more likely to get jobs, colleges generally have a much more adult approach to learning. The people who don't go to college should be given military service or something, at least that way they're doing something and not hanging out on street corners mugging old grannies.[/QUOTE] Or just get a job.. If you don't go to college it doesn't mean you can't work. Ever heard of gap years? [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;34063121]College is much better, you're not legally obliged to be there so they don't have to care if you're not in.[/QUOTE] Yeah, that's pretty cool.
[QUOTE=HawkeyeTy;34063103]Are you fully retarded, or just a sociopath?[/QUOTE] Fine, they could be given public work schemes or something.
[QUOTE=Jobby;34063117]Don't think you guys have much to worry about. As long as Ed Miliband is their leader the UK will be a Labour free zone until most posters here are done with school.[/QUOTE] Apparently school is becoming compulsory until eighteen. I thought I was done next year, nope.
[QUOTE=Erasus;34063125]Or just get a job.. If you don't go to college it doesn't mean you can't work. Ever heard of gap years?[/QUOTE] The thing is though, the people who don't go to college are generally the working class chav type who don't want to work and would rather be on the dole.
[B][U][I]Hey! Labour! Leave them kids alone![/I][/U][/B]
[quote]be a haven from chaotic homes[/quote] Clearly not seen my school. [quote]"A long hours culture has its drawbacks, but how many employers expect their workers to leave the office at 3.30pm?"[/quote] Drawbacks like limiting parental contact with the children, and a poor relation with parents is one of the things that I'd assume causes people to join gangs and partake in antisocial behaviour. [quote]help pupils living in poor housing conditions find a quiet place to study[/quote] Do I even have to get started? My school's easily louder than any house. [quote]persuade the teaching unions that they should embrace longer school days."[/quote] Because cutting their pensions, lowering salaries then expecting them to plan another hour or so of lessons a day is going to work out well. Oh, and my day at school was 9-4:30 today, half maths and half chemistry.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063144]The thing is though, the people who don't go to college are generally the working class chav type who don't want to work and would rather be on the dole.[/QUOTE] That's their choice, they'll regret it when they want a holiday or a family, and then resort to stealing and being jailed for stealing.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063133]Fine, they could be given public work schemes or something.[/QUOTE] You do know that not everyone who goes to college is some lazy uneducated moron with no job don't you?
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063144]The thing is though, the people who don't go to college are generally the working class chav type who don't want to work and would rather be on the dole.[/QUOTE] Generally but not always. Like me for example.
I think something that needs to be mentioned is that a lot of parents don't like the idea of their young child walking home in the dark, which it would be in winter
But are they addressing the actual problem that what the kids are learning is sticking? Tacking on a extra 2 hours is not going to fix that.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063068] The people who don't go to college should be given military service or something, at least that way they're doing something and not hanging out on street corners mugging old grannies.[/QUOTE] Don't have the money to go to college? You get to go get shot in the desert somewhere in a conflict over oil, Congratulations!
[QUOTE=Jobby;34063207]Generally but not always. Like me for example.[/QUOTE] Exactly, there is some people who don't want to go to college, but can't find work.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;34063203]You do know that not everyone who goes to college is some lazy uneducated moron with no job don't you?[/QUOTE] I know, but generally you find that a lot of the chav types are people who don't go to college.
Stop giving me homework worth 4 hours after an 8 hour day, then.
[QUOTE=Higginz511;34063245]Don't have the money to go to college? You get to go get shot in the desert somewhere in a conflict over oil, Congratulations![/QUOTE] College in the UK = High School in the USA. It's free here.
I used to start at 9am and finish at 2:30pm, got home around 3pm. We didn't have long lunch breaks though.
[QUOTE=Coffee;34063000]Actually that's not so easy in secondary, it's mandatory for all under 16s. Some schools literally hunt down students who are skipping school.[/QUOTE] I somewhat doubt that those schools are the ones with gang problems anyway, then.
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