• Utah mom admits killing 6 babies after giving birth
    42 replies, posted
[QUOTE](CNN)A Utah mom who admitted to killing six of her babies soon after giving birth was given a hefty prison sentence Monday.Megan Huntsman, 40, pleaded guilty in February to six counts of felony murder. She will spend at least 30 years in prison before she is eligible for parole."I really thought I had seen it all until this case," Judge Darold McDade said during sentencing on Monday. Utah authorities were called to a Pleasant Grove residence a year ago after Huntsman's estranged husband, Darren West,[B] found a baby wrapped in a plastic bag in the garage.[/B] Police eventually found the bodies of seven infants.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/21/us/utah-mom-sentenced-baby-deaths/index.html[/url] [url]http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=34311236[/url]
Well, i guess she was deemed mentally unstable in certain regard? [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] No wait a sec, isnt there in the first paragraph said that she gets 30 years before being eligible for parole?
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47567953]Killing 6 of her own children but still gets parole. Uhhh.. does anyone else see a massive flaw in this fucked up case.[/QUOTE] Yeah. Somebody acting in post-birth stress is getting sent to prison for three decades for something she did when likely not in a responsible state. Pregnancy is accompanied by extremely powerful hormonal change and the changes right after birth can lead to something next to insanity. This is common in not just humans but also other mammals. Countless times we observe an animal in captivity give birth to a healthy offspring only to murder it out of sheer stress. Of course, this needs to be looked into heavily on case by case basis so nobody can exploit it to murder people and claim they were temporarily insane but it's not right nor beneficial to anybody to lock somebody down out of vengeance over something they have done when not quite capable of human reasoning or empathy. This woman needs to be institutionalised and closely observed until it's clear what the issue was but going treating her the same way we treat cold blooded criminals is horrible.
[QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47567953]Killing 6 of her own children but still gets parole. Uhhh.. does anyone else see a massive flaw in this fucked up case.[/QUOTE] Not really no, she's getting 30 years before she can be released on parole, and that's assuming they even do give her parole.
Women who went through giving birth should have somebody with them at all times for a few weeks at least, even if just to help with the baby and in case they got otherwise unwell. This is basic things the society should be accustomated to. [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=~Kiwi~v2;47568024]Whilst I do understand what happens and even post. I'm just thinking that there was a general lack of care. Like how the balls can you not pick up this sign of behavior? Sure I'm not qualified I'm just really shocked and going what the fuck happened.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's definitely the problem here. If the woman has nobody to take care of her in private, she should be allowed to stay in the hospital for a time or have an aid assigned to her. This is what should be looked into rather than locking her down for better part of the rest of her life which might likely end much more abruptly considering the trauma this inevitably left her with.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47568007]Yeah. Somebody acting in post-birth stress is getting sent to prison for three decades for something she did when likely not in a responsible state. Pregnancy is accompanied by extremely powerful hormonal change and the changes right after birth can lead to something next to insanity. This is common in not just humans but also other mammals. Countless times we observe an animal in captivity give birth to a healthy offspring only to murder it out of sheer stress. Of course, this needs to be looked into heavily on case by case basis so nobody can exploit it to murder people and claim they were temporarily insane but it's not right nor beneficial to anybody to lock somebody down out of vengeance over something they have done when not quite capable of human reasoning or empathy. This woman needs to be institutionalised and closely observed until it's clear what the issue was but going treating her the same way we treat cold blooded criminals is horrible.[/QUOTE] Birds eat their own eggs sometimes its like a woman scopping her period up and shoving it down her gullet animals are weird
So you're saying we, mankind, have been secretly boiling, baking, frying and plain out drinking/eating periods?
[QUOTE=Jackald;47568210]Being pregnant doesn't make you completely incapable of moderating your own actions lol[/QUOTE] [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis"]rofl lol kek[/URL] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [quote]Some women have typical manic symptoms, such as euphoria, overactivity, decreased sleep requirement, loquaciousness, flight of ideas, increased sociability,[B] disinhibition, irritability, violence and delusions, which are usually grandiose or religious in content; on the whole these symptoms are more severe than in mania occurring at other times, with highly disorganized speech and extreme excitement.[/B] Others have severe depression with delusions, auditory hallucinations, mutism, stupor or transient swings into hypomania. Some switch from mania to depression (or vice versa) within the same episode. Atypical features include perplexity, confusion, emotions like extreme fear and ecstasy, catatonia or rapid changes of mental state with transient delusional ideas; these are so striking that some authors have regarded them as a distinct, specific disease, but they are the defining features of acute polymorphic (cycloid) psychoses, and are seen in other contexts (for example, menstrual psychosis) and in men.[/quote] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [quote][highlight]Several nations including Canada, Great Britain, Australia and Italy recognize post partum mental illness as a mitigating factor in cases where mothers kill their children.[26] In the United States, such a legal distinction is not currently made.[26] Britain has had the Infanticide Act since 1922.[/highlight] In 2009, Texas legislator Jessica Farrar proposed a bill that would recognize postpartum psychosis as a defense for mothers who kill their infants.[27] Under the terms of the proposed legislation, if jurors concluded that a mother's "judgment was impaired as a result of the effects of giving birth or the effects of lactation following the birth", they would be allowed to convict her of the crime of infanticide, rather than murder.[26] The maximum penalty for infanticide would be two years in prison.[26][/quote] Nah it's probably fucking nothing lol bitch be a cunt lock her up lads
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47568263][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis"]rofl lol kek[/URL] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] Nah it's probably fucking nothing lol bitch be a cunt lock her up lads[/QUOTE] she was probably aware that what she was doing is wrong, as per the wikipedia article you linked
[QUOTE=Jackald;47568352]I said it doesn't make you completely incapable of moderating your actions. Literally millions of people suffer from postpartum depression without killing their children.[/QUOTE] I'm not too in the know when it comes to these things, but I'm going to have to side with this guy simply because insanity is defined as losing the ability to decipher right from wrong. (legally in the US, that is) Is it possible for it to be so mind-bending that it destroys that ability?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47568263][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis"]rofl lol kek[/URL] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] Nah it's probably fucking nothing lol bitch be a cunt lock her up lads[/QUOTE] Regardless, you have to be responsible for your actions. She killed six of her own fucking children and to be honest I'm really surprised that they aren't giving her the death penalty.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;47568473]Regardless, you have to be responsible for your actions. She killed six of her own fucking children and to be honest I'm really surprised that they aren't giving her the death penalty.[/QUOTE] I just don't understand how someone can lose touch of reality so badly that they would kill their child. There's so many levels between nurture and murder that makes it surreal to think that this isn't at least partially her fault.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47568263][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis"]rofl lol kek[/URL] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] Nah it's probably fucking nothing lol bitch be a cunt lock her up lads[/QUOTE] you'd have a point if it hadn't happened on 6 separate occasions and if she hadn't done meth, possibly during the time frame of the pregnancies...
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47568021]Not really no, she's getting 30 years before she can be released on parole, and that's assuming they even do give her parole.[/QUOTE] By that time she would be like 70 yrs old [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] Read the second link article. It goes much more in-depth into why she did it.
One question [I]why[/I]
I'm baffled someone would actually defend and justify this woman brutally murdering 6 of her own children.
[QUOTE=zeroXSBK;47568904]I'm baffled someone would actually defend and justify this woman brutally murdering 6 of her own children.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't call it defending as just trying to see what could have caused this, and that these things, even when highly unlikely and REALLY fucked up, do happen, because of extreme hormonal fuckups. [I]Whether that's the case in this story, is another point in question. [b]Edit[/b] [/I]Seeing as it happened 6 times, she could have maybe stopped having babies after like, the second. Maybe she should have, all maybe like.
Killing 6 kids (and they're even hers) shouldn't be excused like some people here already do
[QUOTE=CrucialSeBBi;47568977]Killing 6 kids (and they're even hers) shouldn't be excused like some people here already do[/QUOTE] Yea fuck mentally ill people [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=zeroXSBK;47568904]I'm baffled someone would actually defend and justify this woman brutally murdering 6 of her own children.[/QUOTE] I'm baffled some people don't get the concept of being mentally ill. No healthy mother would murder their children and if you think otherwise you're deeply mistaken.
[QUOTE=The Saiko;47569084]Yea fuck mentally ill people.[/QUOTE] Fuck mentally ill people that kill each of their defenseless children on six separate occasions (though murdering your own children is enough in my eyes really).
[QUOTE=The Saiko;47569084]Yea fuck mentally ill people[/QUOTE] ugh I know man killing your own children is so stigmatized grow up people
Six separate occasions? Yeah, can't excuse that.
[QUOTE=The Saiko;47569084]Yea fuck mentally ill people [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] I'm baffled some people don't get the concept of being mentally ill. No healthy mother would murder their children and if you think otherwise you're deeply mistaken.[/QUOTE] This occurred over a period of 10-years. I'd be able to understand perhaps once, but not 6-times. She wouldn't have been suffering from postpartum depression for that entire time, but rather a short window of time after each birth. She would've had more than enough time in-between the births to seek help whilst unaffected by it, to let people know this was happening before the same tragedy occurred again, but she didn't. [QUOTE=The Saiko;47569084] No healthy mother would murder their children and if you think otherwise you're deeply mistaken.[/QUOTE] No healthy person period would murder another person.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47568263][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis"]rofl lol kek[/URL] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] Nah it's probably fucking nothing lol bitch be a cunt lock her up lads[/QUOTE] Are you seriously advocating for a woman who killed 6 of her own children? Mental problems/postpartum depression or not she still deserves sanctions. And your argument that "oh animals do it too".. Didn't we kind of separate ourselves from the animals thousands of years ago?
The "she wasn't responsible for her actions" excuse due to an EXTREME case of post-partem depression, is entirely invalidated when she does this six times. And leaves them in her garage in plastic bags. No justification for this. Shes getting what she deserves.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47568263][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis"]rofl lol kek[/URL] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] [editline]21st April 2015[/editline] Nah it's probably fucking nothing lol bitch be a cunt lock her up lads[/QUOTE] I might agree if she didn't do it on six separate occasions.
[QUOTE=Deri102;47570506]Are you seriously advocating for a woman who killed 6 of her own children? Mental problems/postpartum depression or not she still deserves sanctions. And your argument that "oh animals do it too".. Didn't we kind of separate ourselves from the animals thousands of years ago?[/QUOTE] No we haven't separated ourselves at all. If she had done this a week earlier with the help of a doctor she wouldn't have done a day in jail. The real lesson of the story is: If you want to kill your babies and avoid jail time see a doctor before they exit the womb. Somehow before they exit killing them is perfectly moral, but do it right after and its immoral. Just shows how little we really value human life.
She plead guilty, which probably explains her chance for parole. Why else would she plead guilty except that they offered her something? This saves the state from a long, expensive trial where she'd plead insanity and who knows where than could lead? She's never getting out, which is all the public wants anyways.
[QUOTE=orother;47570898]No we haven't separated ourselves at all. If she had done this a week earlier with the help of a doctor she wouldn't have done a day in jail. The real lesson of the story is: If you want to kill your babies and avoid jail time see a doctor before they exit the womb. Somehow before they exit killing them is perfectly moral, but do it right after and its immoral. Just shows how little we really value human life.[/QUOTE] That's kinda stupid. There's quite a big difference between a fully developed baby (or developed enough to be born without any problems) and a foetus in development. You can't abort a child a week before delivery. Most abortions take place within the first 14 weeks, the latest go up to 24 weeks (which is the strict maximum). That's because a foetus of ~14 weeks is nowhere near developed enough to feel/think/understand what's going on around it, therefore abortion is [I]highly[/I] more acceptable than killing the child yourself [I]after[/I] birth. I don't even know why I'm stating the obvious. You don't kill your children, if you can't fucking handle being a parent, abort the foetus beforehand instead of keeping them up to the point where they can feel and perceive the world before tearing them out of existence forever. It's sick. (It's especially disgusting that she did this to [I][B]six[/B][/I] different children) (Also, yes we bloody have separated ourselves from the animals. When you find foxes or seagulls that have civilizations, economies and have split the atom you can come and tell me that we're not different from animals.)
[QUOTE=orother;47570898]No we haven't separated ourselves at all. If she had done this a week earlier with the help of a doctor she wouldn't have done a day in jail. The real lesson of the story is: If you want to kill your babies and avoid jail time see a doctor before they exit the womb. Somehow before they exit killing them is perfectly moral, but do it right after and its immoral. Just shows how little we really value human life.[/QUOTE] If by a week, you mean many many months earlier since late term abortions aren't allowed unless there's extenuating circumstances that would threaten the life of the mother if the pregnancy went forward.
Sorry, you need to Log In to post a reply to this thread.