Government threatens bakery for refusing to bake cake for lesbian wedding
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[quote]A Christian business is being threatened with huge fines or the loss of its business because the owners refused to bake a cake for a lesbian wedding. The State of Oregon’s Bureau of Labor and Industries is determining whether a “Sweet Cakes by Melissa” violated a 2007 law that protects lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in public accommodations.
Aaron and Melissa Klein are devout Christians who own their own bakery. They have a policy, when gay couples planning a wedding ceremony ask them to bake cakes, of politely refusing to do so, because gay marriage is contrary to their faith.
Aaron holds no animosity towards homosexuals. But he does not believe that he and his wife should be forced to be accomplices to something they believe is a sin.
“I believe marriage is between a man and a woman,” Aaron said. “I don’t want to help somebody celebrate a commitment to a lifetime of sin.”[/quote]
[url]http://www.mrconservative.com/2013/08/23141-oregon-seeks-to-re-educate-christian-bakery-that-refuses-to-bake-cakes-for-homosexual-weddings/[/url]
Don't shop owners have the right to refuse business to anyone?
where has "the right to refuse service" gone. If its a private bakery.. I dont see any reason they have to bake this cake. Unless Oregon thinks that a bakery is a public accommodation.
[QUOTE=areolop;41921667] Unless Oregon thinks that a bakery is a public accommodation.[/QUOTE]
That's what they're figuring out as stated in the quote
[quote]The State of Oregon’s Bureau of Labor and Industries is determining whether a “Sweet Cakes by Melissa” violated a 2007 law that protects lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in public accommodations.[/quote]
if it's a private accommodation the bakery will be fine
[QUOTE=The golden;41921659]Could you have picked a shittier source?[/QUOTE]
the comments are even better
[QUOTE]and what would it hurt the couple to just go find another bakery to bake them their cake? no the Queers want to be as loud as they can be and with our first openly Gay president behind them why not. but some of us are getting tired of having the Queers shoved up in our faces, if obummer wants to help let him and moochele bake it for the carpet munchers.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Yep, I agree but the LGBT community Nazis don't don't see it that way.[/QUOTE]
So I clicked the source.
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They have dumb beliefs but the government can't impose on private businesses like that. Although this could easily be compared to discrimination so I have mixed feelings.
Give to everyone who asks of you luke:30
Id be on the side of the buisness if they dident try to hide behind their religion. Your religion does not teach hate against sinners your just bigots.
Good. It's blatant discrimination.
[QUOTE=Bumgall;41921721]the comments are even better[/QUOTE]
[quote]LGBT community Nazis[/quote]
I love it when people say fundamentally contradictory stuff like that. The only context where that wouldn't be a retarded statement is the context of nazi fetishism.
Let me play devils advocate here and say that you walked into a muslim-ran butcher and asked for a nice pork chop. Them refusing to give you a porkchop would be the same situation here, no?
[QUOTE=Liem;41921727]So I clicked the source.
[T]http://i.cubeupload.com/MCJZfg.png[/T][/QUOTE]
Yeah I'm not really sure what universe these people are living in that they think these sources are acceptable.
[QUOTE=areolop;41921766]Let me play devils advocate here and say that you walked into a muslim-ran butcher and asked for a nice pork chop. Them refusing to give you a porkchop would be the same situation here, no?[/QUOTE]
What? Not at all.
the comments section pretty much provides a list of people I would never wish to come in contact with.
[QUOTE=areolop;41921766]Let me play devils advocate here and say that you walked into a muslim-ran butcher and asked for a nice pork chop. Them refusing to give you a porkchop would be the same situation here, no?[/QUOTE]
Well that example is awful because this Muslim butcher wouldn't carry porkchops in the first place. It's more akin to walking into Gamestop and asking for a cheeseburger than the issue at hand.
[QUOTE=areolop;41921766]Let me play devils advocate here and say that you walked into a muslim-ran butcher and asked for a nice pork chop. Them refusing to give you a porkchop would be the same situation here, no?[/QUOTE]
Not at all, seeing as how a Muslim butcher wouldn't be serving porkchop to [i]anyone[/i], it's not discrimination.
[QUOTE=Tucan Sam;41921663]Don't shop owners have the right to refuse business to anyone?[/QUOTE]
Depends what it's based on.
[quote]The Federal Civil Rights Act guarantees all people the right to "full and equal enjoyment of the goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and accommodations of any place of public accommodation, without discrimination or segregation on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin."
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This most likely is discrimination. Unless the cake was thematic with things that they didn't feel comfortable making, they are refusing service for something completely irrelavent to them and their business.
[quote]He does not believe that he and his wife should be forced to be accomplices in something that they believe is a sin[/quote]
Shit no cake weddings off.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;41921755]I'm still not getting this. There was a time where black people were constantly refused service on the basis of being black until it was made illegal to do so. Why is it ok for it to be done to gays?[/QUOTE]
As stated before, their beliefs are just plain stupid, however because their beliefs are their beliefs they should have a right to refuse anyone or anything they dislike because they own the business and pay taxes.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;41921789]Depends what it's based on.[/QUOTE]
Sexual preferences aren't covered under the Civil Rights act? That's terrible.
-snip, ninja'd-
[QUOTE=areolop;41921766]Let me play devils advocate here and say that you walked into a muslim-ran butcher and asked for a nice pork chop. Them refusing to give you a porkchop would be the same situation here, no?[/QUOTE]
Nobody is forcing them to sell cakes, just like nobody is forcing a muslim's meat shop to sell pork.
Refusing service to someone for who they are should be intervened by the government. Force is the only way any kind of social progress can be made sometimes, sadly. It's pretty much akin to someone in the 60s refusing service to someone because they are black.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;41921805]Sexual preferences aren't covered under the Civil Rights act? That's terrible.[/QUOTE]
That shouldn't be surprising. We're still trying to get gay marriage legalized.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;41921805]Sexual preferences aren't covered under the Civil Rights act? That's terrible.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to right wing America. Equal rights for all, unless you hate Jesus.
It depends on what they wanted the cake to look like.
Asking a baker to work on a cake (which can be considered a piece of art) that they feel is wrong and against their beliefs doesn't seem fair to me. On the other hand, it doesn't seem right to refuse service based on someone's sexuality.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;41921758]I love it when people say fundamentally contradictory stuff like that. The only context where that wouldn't be a retarded statement is the context of nazi fetishism.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't help that a lot of the types of people that comment on these right wing blogs are so deluded that they believe the Nazi's were leftists and Hitler was a liberal, and that all factual evidence to the contrary was made up to discredit conservatives.
[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;41921755]I'm still not getting this. There was a time where black people were constantly refused service on the basis of being black until it was made illegal to do so. Why is it ok for it to be done to gays?[/QUOTE]
Thinking about it, it really isn't all that different. We're going through that same type of period again, except with gays. It's just that the government has been intervening way too much in general these days. In this case though I think their within their rights since it could fall under discrimination.
This type of thing also falls under religious beliefs, so things aren't as clear cut in law as in the case of racial discrimination.
[QUOTE=geel9;41921824]It depends on what they wanted the cake to look like.
Asking a baker to work on a cake (which can be considered a piece of art) that they feel is wrong and against their beliefs doesn't seem fair to me. On the other hand, it doesn't seem right to refuse service based on someone's sexuality.[/QUOTE]
Well I [I]really[/I] doubt the couple was asking for a couple of duelling cocks on their wedding cake.
Oh my god the bottom part of the article.
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;41921805]Sexual preferences aren't covered under the Civil Rights act? That's terrible.[/QUOTE]
Nope. You have to have your own state wide one, like California.
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