• BBC's Press Crew got Kicked Out of North Korea
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[quote]BBC correspondent Rupert Wingfield-Hayes and his team are being expelled from North Korea after being detained over their reporting. Our correspondent, producer Maria Byrne and cameraman Matthew Goddard were stopped by officials on Friday as they were about to leave North Korea.[/quote] [quote]The North Korean leadership was displeased with their reports highlighting aspects of life in the capital.[/quote] [url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36244994]**SOURCE**[/url] They were told not to interact with the general public or wander outside the permitted area but they decided to stick to their own agenda in a country they knew that kind of shit wasn't allowed. They got in shit the other day for cropping photos of the Kim's family. As shitty as it sounds it's like I've said before. Take a trip to North Korea like a ride. Keep your arms and hands inside the car at all time and don't talk to the locals. We get it. The conditions under the sanctions is shitty. You were not there to report on that. They had it coming.
[QUOTE=pentium;50285131][URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36244994"]**SOURCE**[/URL] As shitty as it sounds it's like I've said before. Take a trip to North Korea like a ride. Keep your arms and hands inside the car at all time and don't talk to the locals. We get it. The conditions under the sanctions is shitty. You were not there to report on that. They had it coming.[/QUOTE] journalists doing their job "have it coming" another great aphorism to add to your resume, mips
They were literally told "DO NOT REPORT ON ANYTHING BUT WHAT WE SAY, OR YOU ARE GONE". Yes, they are journalists but it's also North Korea. Do you really want to take that gamble? How hard can it be to comply with that? It's like going into an art gallery where there are designated places for photography and you repeatedly get caught taking pictures outside of the area. Likewise, you get told to leave.
To be fair, if everybody obeyed the rules, we wouldn't have much of an idea of just how had things in NK are. They deserved to get kicked out since they did indeed break the rules, but I'm not gonna act like they murdered someone or something.
[QUOTE=pentium;50285209]They were literally told "DO NOT REPORT ON ANYTHING BUT WHAT WE SAY, OR YOU ARE GONE". Yes, they are journalists but it's also North Korea. Do you really want to take that gamble? How hard can it be to comply with that? It's like going into an art gallery where there are designated places for photography and you repeatedly get caught taking pictures outside of the area. Likewise, you get told to leave.[/QUOTE] everything you've just said is contrary to the entire purpose of journalism
[QUOTE=Kommodore;50285227]everything you've just said is contrary to the entire purpose of journalism[/QUOTE] Welcome to North Korea. It was weird enough they let the press in as it is.
[QUOTE=pentium;50285235]Welcome to North Korea. It was weird enough they let the press in as it is.[/QUOTE] yes and people die reporting in Caracas, Kabul, are arrested in Tehran, are intimidated in Russia, China and on and on. i fail to see how a person can choose to make an exception North Korea's case without falling head over heels into a hypocrisy whenever they check the news. [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] like at least try to respect the risk these people took to shed light on suffering of an entire people.
"They were literally begging to get executed by the North Korean government."
[QUOTE=pentium;50285131] As shitty as it sounds it's like I've said before. Take a trip to North Korea like a ride. Keep your arms and hands inside the car at all time and don't talk to the locals. [B]We get it. The conditions under the sanctions is shitty.[/B] You were not there to report on that. They had it coming.[/QUOTE] what a borderline sociopathic line of thinking, maybe if you're sick of hearing about the suffering of others, you should stop reading the news? I'm sure glad journalists dont follow your (quite frankly) limp wristed logic
[QUOTE=pentium;50285131][url=http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-36244994]**SOURCE**[/url] They were told not to interact with the general public or wander outside the permitted area but they decided to stick to their own agenda in a country they knew that kind of shit wasn't allowed. They got in shit the other day for cropping photos of the Kim's family. As shitty as it sounds it's like I've said before. Take a trip to North Korea like a ride. Keep your arms and hands inside the car at all time and don't talk to the locals. We get it. The conditions under the sanctions is shitty. You were not there to report on that. They had it coming.[/QUOTE] I guess Snowden and Manning had it coming too, right? After all they weren't there to report on bad shit going on.
What a bummer, NK documentaries / video journals are fun to watch
[QUOTE=Kommodore;50285275] like at least try to respect the risk these people took to shed light on suffering of an entire people.[/QUOTE] Suffering brought on by a Western superiority complex. Suffering brought on by sanctions [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36236934]that do way more bad than good and are used to generate even more propaganda for both sides.[/url]
Are you now arguing that it's the western world that made NK into hell to formulate somehow that because of that the journalists are not supposed to report about it???
Mips, you feeling alright there buddy? Imagine if journalists never broke local laws. Some corruption would never get uncovered, including in North Korea.
[QUOTE=pentium;50285396]Suffering brought on by a Western superiority complex. Suffering brought on by sanctions [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36236934]that do way more bad than good and are used to generate even more propaganda for both sides.[/url][/QUOTE] The North Korean government (Techniqually, the people who put that government in place is) is solely responsible for North Korea's state. Their continuously terrible rule is why their country is a shit-hole, not a "WESTERN SUPERIORITY COMPLEX". They're just stuck in a permanent war-mentality
[QUOTE=J!NX;50285413]The North Korean government is solely responsible for North Korea's state. Their continuously terrible rule is why their country is a shit-hole, not a "WESTERN SUPERIORITY COMPLEX". From what I understand many countries have been trying to talk sense into NK but they're just stuck in a permanent war-mentality[/QUOTE] I wouldn't say that since it's a direct result of the cold war so the West is at least to blame for that, then there is Russia, China and the (by then)US puppet state of SK as external factores but nevertheless he's still making a dumb point.
Journalists should report in NK's fiendishly fucked up state, we need people to document and understand why it's in the state it's in so we can try and fix it, or at least understand why the country continues to be like this / how it's messed up if we don't know anything about the country then how can we do anything. [QUOTE=Killuah;50285433]I wouldn't say that since it's a direct result of the cold war so the West is at least to blame for that, then there is Russia, China and the (by then)US puppet state of SK as external factores but nevertheless he's still making a dumb point.[/QUOTE] I did forget it was technically a government that was kind of forced upon them, but even still, they don't seem to want to budge
[QUOTE=pentium;50285396]Suffering brought on by a Western superiority complex. Suffering brought on by sanctions [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-36236934]that do way more bad than good and are used to generate even more propaganda for both sides.[/url][/QUOTE] even if that wasnt total horseshit (rayhalo, is that you?), how does that make it[I] not ok[/I] for a BBC crew to break the rules and report on the suffering of the people there?
[QUOTE=Killuah;50285403]Are you now arguing that it's the western world that made NK into hell to formulate somehow that because of that the journalists are not supposed to report about it???[/QUOTE] No, I'm arguing that a press pool used to the freedom to report on news couldn't follow the rules of a totalitarian state and got kicked out, which to most people seems absolutely retarded but hey, it's North Korea. The sanctions and suffering thing just likes to follow along because it's fun to slag another country and because there's people on this forum disconnected enough to suggest bombing, invading or drone striking a country a nuclear armed country who [url=http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/05/08/north-korea-wont-use-nukes-first-kim-jong-un/84107470/]has stated that any attacks will be returned with nuclear force[/url]. They were told to behave. They did not.
[QUOTE=pentium;50285444] They were told to behave. They did not.[/QUOTE] NK is being told to behave. They are not.
[QUOTE=pentium;50285444]No, I'm arguing that a press pool used to the freedom to report on news couldn't follow the rules of a totalitarian state and got kicked out, which to most people seems absolutely retarded but hey, it's North Korea. They were told to behave. They did not.[/QUOTE] you keep saying that its retarded that they didnt follow the rules, but you dont say why is breaking unjust rules wrong when the outcome is gathering insights on the lives of people who are suffering under an oppressive regime? [editline]9th May 2016[/editline] like who gives a shit if they didnt "behave"?? What's noble about "behaving" if the rules are absolute bullshit? [editline]9th May 2016[/editline] in fact I would go so far as to say [I]good on the BBC crew[/I] for breaking the rules imposed upon them by a violent, shitty, oppressive government to report on the misery and suffering that said government brings to millions of people
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;50285461]you keep saying that its retarded that they didnt follow the rules, but you dont say why is breaking unjust rules wrong when the outcome is gathering insights on the lives of people who are suffering under an oppressive regime? [editline]9th May 2016[/editline] like who gives a shit if they didnt "behave"?? What's noble about "behaving" if the rules are absolute bullshit? [editline]9th May 2016[/editline] in fact I would go so far as to say [I]good on the BBC crew[/I] for breaking the rules imposed upon them by a violent, shitty, oppressive government to report on the misery and suffering that said government brings to millions of people[/QUOTE] lets not forget that it's a government that will literally imprison your family for life if one of them doesn't worship the Dear Leader Kim as a god 24/7 and dust their mandatory photo's of The Great Dear Leader off every day. The restrictions they're going to have on anyone with a camera is going to be insanely tight, only an idiot would accept that kind of delusional law. Only way you're going to actually report on NK is if you cross a few lines.
[QUOTE=pentium;50285444] The sanctions and suffering thing just likes to follow along because it's fun to slag another country [/quote] Dude. Who is disconnected?
[quote]you keep saying that its retarded that they didnt follow the rules, but you dont say why[/quote] By now we ALL know what happens when a westerner is arrested in North Korea. Between the one-sided courts who are known for manipulating the truth and hard labour camps it's not pretty. It's also probably not good on any possible diplomatic tensions. It's also unheard of for North Korea to say "hey, we got something going on here. If you wanna report on this [I]and only this[/I] you're welcome to visit for a few days. Hell, we'll throw in a free tour of one of our world famous wire factories!" Like, that doesn't happen. Usually there's a lengthy process for journalists to get in and get out again with their collected material intact. You get one chance to go in with eased restrictions but with the rest of the rules strictly enforced. Do [i]you[/i] really want to risk it by trying to get a bit more meat for the team? It's not like they were told offenses were punishable by death (lets say you want to interview a higher-up member in ISIS) or they were sneaking over enemy lines (lets say Vietnam). They were guests and they wanted to snoop. The fact North Korea had them ejected from the country within a day was.....unexpectedly peaceful.
People sometimes say FP's a circlejerk, but you truly can find some very "diverse" points of view on here Anyway, I think the sluts deserved it
[QUOTE=pentium;50285521]By now we ALL know what happens when a westerner is arrested in North Korea. The fact North Korea had them ejected form the country within a day was.....unexpectedly peaceful.[/QUOTE] Lets be perfectly fair though. They're journalists. They LIVE for this shit. They only care about a good story and a lot of these types are ballsy enough to get it. Just look at WW2 / Vietnam photographers. The things these guys did for "the perfect snapshot" is literally mind blowing. They would purposefully risk their lives just so they could get the right shot. They were dangerous camera addicts who would try and get the perfect photo no matter what happened. Obviously not all journalists are like this, but there are a lot of them who go to dangerous countries for an article. They pretty much completely understand the risks and accept that, and that's on them. Some Journalists out there are similar to you with a hobby. They do X thing and they do X thing unbelievably well. It's not that they are flawed, it's just, like, what they know? You know? They love to travel and write about what they find. (This isn't to can on you, just an example)
I guess it's not surprising that pentium sides with a regime known for still using old technology and computers from the 1980s
Good on them, fuck north korea and their horrible dictatorship, glad they didnt listen to their rules.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50285572]I guess it's not surprising that pentium sides with a regime known for still using old technology and computers from the 1980s[/QUOTE] Not to mention that they're currently committing a miniature holodomor/holocaust against their own people.
I think you're all missing Pentiums point. He doesn't agree with the rules either, and I'm sure he doesn't want them to get caught for reporting the truth in a shithole like North Korea, but if there is any country you're going to get shit for reporting in, it's there. I mean I'm pretty sure that's all he's trying to get at. I'm personally glad they took the risk to show the world exactly how horrible that place is. North korea needs more recognition for how they're treating their citizens.
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