Up to 100 people will get $2,000 per month for a year as guinea pigs for when robots take our jobs
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[quote]Universal basic income—the proposal that everyone be paid a flat wage by the government, regardless of their economic status—is getting lots of attention these days thanks to the looming threat of mass job losses to automation. This week, start-up incubator Y Combinator announced plans for a pilot program, in which it’ll give basic income to a test set of people in Oakland to see how it goes. Also this week a small collective in San Francisco raffled a one-year basic income package of $1,250 per month to a single winner, a man in Florida.
With Silicon Valley at the forefront of developing the automated technologies poised to take a chunk out of the workforce, it’s not surprising that it’s the first place in the U.S. doing basic income trials. Though the ultimate plan would be to have governments doling out basic incomes, these trial programs are being run by private groups who hope to prove the feasibility of free money for no work.[/quote]
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God damn I didn't know truck driving was that big in America.
Explains all those Discovery and History Channel shows about truck drivers.
[editline]3rd June 2016[/editline]
But yeah with trucks and vehicles in general starting to become automated that's a lot of people without a job.
If trucks stopped driving in America for more than a week, the economy would literally collapse.
It's why we need 40 [b]b[/b]illion in road, bridge and freeway repairs.
[QUOTE=27X;50450993]If trucks stopped driving in America for more than a week, the economy would literally collapse.
It's why we need 40 [b]b[/b]illion in road, bridge and freeway repairs.[/QUOTE]
I think realistically that amount would be reduced with the rise of autonomous vehicles. At the very least it could be pushed back until robots could repair/construct roads of their own accord.
I bust my ass 40 hours a week for just $1200 a month. This better take off.
[QUOTE=icarusfoundyou;50451066]I think realistically that amount would be reduced with the rise of autonomous vehicles. At the very least it could be pushed back until robots could repair/construct roads of their own accord.[/QUOTE]
What pilots the vehicles has zero bearing on the needs of infrastructure repairs.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50451302]I bust my ass 40 hours a week for just $1200 a month. This better take off.[/QUOTE]
I can't say I really agree with you. We already are in enough debt and don't really need more people who will abuse the system (like they do with welfare) to get free easy money. I'm certainly not saying you are one of those people but it is something to think about.
[QUOTE=YourStalker;50451370]I can't say I really agree with you. We already are in enough debt and don't really need more people who will abuse the system (like they do with welfare) to get free easy money. I'm certainly not saying you are one of those people but it is something to think about.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure its hard to abuse the universal basic income when the whole idea is that everyone just gets the same thing
[QUOTE=YourStalker;50451370]I can't say I really agree with you. We already are in enough debt and don't really need more people who will abuse the system (like they do with welfare) to get free easy money. I'm certainly not saying you are one of those people but it is something to think about.[/QUOTE]
What about those at the top who abuse the system and hide their taxes away? Even if it is 1% of the US' GDP that is still 167 billion USD.
[QUOTE=YourStalker;50451370]I can't say I really agree with you. We already are in enough debt and don't really need more people who will abuse the system (like they do with welfare) to get free easy money. I'm certainly not saying you are one of those people but it is something to think about.[/QUOTE]
I imagine this would remove welfare if it was applied nation-wide
[QUOTE=YourStalker;50451370]I can't say I really agree with you. We already are in enough debt and don't really need more people who will abuse the system (like they do with welfare) to get free easy money. I'm certainly not saying you are one of those people but it is something to think about.[/QUOTE]Simple fix for that: revamp the social security system into basic income, delete all other welfare programs. I'd actually argue about gutting the DMV and other state licensing boards and bringing them all under one roof in every state, universal ID card across the board that's recognized by all other states and by the federal government. (including federal licenses) Problem with doing that though is it would mean taking a hatchet to every state government [U]and[/U] the federal government and violently chopping out the bureaucratic bloat that's accumulated over the years. I'd say there's some real benefit in doing that coming from a "smaller government is better" frame of mind, but I think anyone can get behind improving government efficiency.
Maybe have a tax break if you opt not to collect your basic income, some incentive to keep the system lightweight.
[QUOTE=YourStalker;50451370]I can't say I really agree with you. We already are in enough debt and don't really need more people who will abuse the system (like they do with welfare) to get free easy money. I'm certainly not saying you are one of those people but it is something to think about.[/QUOTE]
Welfare abuse is really quite overblown. And this is coming from a country where we have a quite functional and fairly simple to enter welfare system.
There are other places you can improve to fix deficits that aren't welfare abusers. They'll get caught in their own time because they're usually thick as shit anyway. Tax reforms are where it's at, hard to fund stuff if you're not making money after all.
[QUOTE=YourStalker;50451370]I can't say I really agree with you. We already are in enough debt and don't really need more people who will abuse the system (like they do with welfare) to get free easy money. I'm certainly not saying you are one of those people but it is something to think about.[/QUOTE]
welfare abuse accounts for like 2-3% of welfare iirc. it's not that big of a problem to where it has to be talked about in such an overblown way.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50451702]Simple fix for that: revamp the social security system into basic income, delete all other welfare programs. I'd actually argue about gutting the DMV and other state licensing boards and bringing them all under one roof in every state, universal ID card across the board that's recognized by all other states and by the federal government. (including federal licenses) Problem with doing that though is it would mean taking a hatchet to every state government [U]and[/U] the federal government and violently chopping out the bureaucratic bloat that's accumulated over the years. I'd say there's some real benefit in doing that coming from a "smaller government is better" frame of mind, but I think anyone can get behind improving government efficiency.
Maybe have a tax break if you opt not to collect your basic income, some incentive to keep the system lightweight.[/QUOTE]
Thats not small government, that is consolidation of government which is what we need.
As long as education and healthcare costs money, and people dont have a source of income and jobs get automated we are fucked. That is a recipe for stagflation.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;50450973]God damn I didn't know truck driving was that big in America.
Explains all those Discovery and History Channel shows about truck drivers.
[editline]3rd June 2016[/editline]
But yeah with trucks and vehicles in general starting to become automated that's a lot of people without a job.[/QUOTE]
its increadibly wishful thinking that truckers can be just quickly replaced. automated driving will greatly improve working conditions and safety, but silicon valley is technodazzled when it comes to trucking
[editline]3rd June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=killerteacup;50451419]Pretty sure its hard to abuse the universal basic income when the whole idea is that everyone just gets the same thing[/QUOTE]
"ya but what about those people who will pop out tons of kids just to collect 10 checks?"
thats what they will say.
[QUOTE=TestECull;50451302]What pilots the vehicles has zero bearing on the needs of infrastructure repairs.[/QUOTE]
Yep, if anything infrastructure repairs would be even more important
[QUOTE=Sableye;50452290]"ya but what about those people who will pop out tons of kids just to collect 10 checks?"
thats what they will say.[/QUOTE]
In that case, the government should be able to step in and place a cutoff. It also falls under child neglect / abuse if their kids aren't being properly taken care of. Punishable by jail time, removal of kids, a fine, yadda yadda yadda....
There's ways of prevention, basically.
[QUOTE=Electrocuter;50450973]God damn I didn't know truck driving was that big in America.
Explains all those Discovery and History Channel shows about truck drivers.
[editline]3rd June 2016[/editline]
But yeah with trucks and vehicles in general starting to become automated that's a lot of people without a job.[/QUOTE]
Truck driving is stupidly cost effective and reliable. 56c/mi+hr wage + most likely union benefits, truck driving is a great job if you don't mind mindlessly driving.
I actually work helping run schools that teach truck driving, the pay and benefits people make working truck driving are insane.
ENTRY LEVEL [url]http://www.indeed.com/cmp/Hershey-Creamery-Company/jobs/Delivery-Driver-Route-Driver-62a8a2099e7cf41e?q=truck+driver[/url]
[editline]4th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=27X;50450993]If trucks stopped driving in America for more than a week, the economy would literally collapse.
It's why we need 40 [B]b[/B]illion in road, bridge and freeway repairs.[/QUOTE]
"If airplane pilots stopped the world would be doomed!"
This isn't so much with the infrastructure as it is with the cost of maintaining truckers and truck drivers. A CDL and trade job field fill up fast and the job market is in demand. Yes the infrastructure can use work but when is the last time you drove across the country? I remember me doing it, nothing a robot that tesla and google can't invent doing.
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;50452856]Truck driving is stupidly cost effective and reliable. 56c/mi+hr wage + most likely union benefits, truck driving is a great job if you don't mind mindlessly driving.
I actually work helping run schools that teach truck driving, the pay and benefits people make working truck driving are insane.
[editline]4th June 2016[/editline]
"If airplane pilots stopped the world would be doomed!"
This isn't so much with the infrastructure as it is with the cost of maintaining truckers and truck drivers. A CDL and trade job field fill up fast and the job market is in demand. Yes the infrastructure can use work but when is the last time you drove across the country? I remember me doing it, nothing a robot that tesla and google can't invent doing.[/QUOTE]
Has to be to offset the life style.
An ex boyfriend of mines dad was a trucker, and he was home maybe 3 months of the year it seemed.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50452883]Has to be to offset the life style.
An ex boyfriend of mines dad was a trucker, and he was home maybe 3 months of the year it seemed.[/QUOTE]
Check the job I posted, not to mention canada has much more vast country sides than US with pocket towns and cities
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=virginia[/url]
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=texas[/url]
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=arizona[/url]
They make good money
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;50452889]Check the job I posted, not to mention canada has much more vast country sides than US with pocket towns and cities
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=virginia[/url]
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=texas[/url]
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=arizona[/url]
They make good money[/QUOTE]
A neighbour of mine in the countryside had a father that was a transport driver. Only saw him maybe 2-5 times a year. He traveled across the entirety of North America.
My uncle also drives truck, but he's home at least 1 week per month with off and on weekends. He travels around Ontario and sometimes Quebec.
It is indeed a varied job that depends on what you're willing to take on and how far you want to go.
[QUOTE=Daemon White;50452920]A neighbour of mine in the countryside had a father that was a transport driver. Only saw him maybe 2-5 times a year. He traveled across the entirety of North America.
My uncle also drives truck, but he's home at least 1 week per month with off and on weekends. He travels around Ontario and sometimes Quebec.
It is indeed a varied job that depends on what you're willing to take on and how far you want to go.[/QUOTE]
Not all transportation jobs are the same and I never said they were, I was addressing the article. It really comes down to the job type you accept, some of my family worked in the newspaper(old thing right?). However, you need to understand truck driving long term vs short term isn't what the article is addressing.
I could be wrong but this article is talking more about replacing long distance truck driving. However, it is starting with a small sample group for short term.
America is severely unprepared for the coming wave of automation
[QUOTE=geel9;50453003]America is severely unprepared for the coming wave of automation[/QUOTE]
America is not the only one, America will just be the first to reflect it.
[QUOTE=geel9;50453003]America is severely unprepared for the coming wave of automation[/QUOTE]
America is stupidly prepared compared to other nations. What do you think China will do when there are no more unskilled labor jobs for their billion+ nation to work in? At least we have a pool of skilled workers who will be able to hold on for a little bit longer (although their jobs will eventually be taken too).
[QUOTE=Pantz Master;50455091]America is stupidly prepared compared to other nations. What do you think China will do when there are no more unskilled labor jobs for their billion+ nation to work in? At least we have a pool of skilled workers who will be able to hold on for a little bit longer (although their jobs will eventually be taken too).[/QUOTE]
In what way is America prepared? In what way have we [b]at all[/b] planned for the soon-to-come massive rates of unemployment amongst the low-skilled workers?
It really worries me how Americans will react when large numbers of us suddenly themselves out of the job and unable to find new ones because of automation. A vast majority of Americans work in jobs that will very likely be completely automated by the end of the century and our government is doing absolutely nothing to prepare mass automation and are actually trying to push Americans to find jobs.
Since I was a child I have always been taught that having a job is crucial for having a good life, a lesson that has no doubly been taught to thousands of Americans before me and still being taught even as we enter a era where human labor is becoming increasingly outmoded by machines making jobs increasingly scarce. How are people who have been taught almost since birth that they need a job to have a good life going to react when they can't find jobs?
While at the same time, as I said before, the government is still pushing Americans to find jobs even as they become harder and harder to find, people always talk about a instituting a "basic income", but I doubt that will happen in the United States where a large number of Americans and politicians oppose "handouts" and view people who receive them as scum or worse. Our country and society will have to undergo major changes as the economy continues to automate, whenever or not that people want it to or not.
I honestly expect there will be some level of violence taking place when a vast majority of people can no longer find jobs.
[QUOTE=geel9;50453003]America is severely unprepared for the coming wave of automation[/QUOTE]
india and china are severely unprepared for the coming wave of automation, the US we already know where its going. if we don't pass some kind of universal income + healthcare, then its going to be another gilded age where the rich are too rich to work and the poor too unskilled to work. everybody that can find a job will either be on a contract or will have to be extremely qualified, and everyone will be replaceable.
what happens to china when foxxcon switches over to large factories of nearly complete automation? the great middle class of china goes poof over night and their already extreme wealth gap becomes a canyon
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;50452889]Check the job I posted, not to mention canada has much more vast country sides than US with pocket towns and cities
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=virginia[/url]
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=texas[/url]
[url]http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=truck+driver&l=arizona[/url]
They make good money[/QUOTE]
For a good reason too. It's not an easy job at all and I can't see many people being able to handle it. Even for me I'm only in it to make my cash and then go to school on my own dollar. It's a stressful life being a truck driver, and some jobs are more stressful than others. Take for example mine: It's a union shop so I get all the benefits and pay that brings, but I'm also on call meaning that I will never be able to plan things with my friends and family. I'm alone on the road, save for a phone call once in a while. It can really get to you at times. I don't sleep in my truck at least. If I have to drive far I bed down in hotels on the company's dime.
On the other end of the spectrum you have the vast majority of truckers. Underpaid, overworked, never home, and always battling whether or not they should quit that day. Some of these guys drive 3-4000 miles in a week and only take home $1000. That may seem like a lot of money, but it's a pittance compared to what they have to deal with.
TLDR: Most truck driving jobs suck ass. They pay like shit for the things you have to do. Out of a dozen trucking jobs you'll maybe find one that's actually decent like mine.
Maybe it is that moment in history, when capitalistic system will be forced to the new system. Money-less system? I don't know really.
But one thing is certain - people won't be idle/still for 100% of day. People will start doing something, and I am sure people will work for free and help each other.
Lets fear not - there were eras of fear about robots replacing humans. And we turned out just fine.
[QUOTE=Fourier;50455922]Maybe it is that moment in history, when capitalistic system will be forced to the new system. Money-less system? I don't know really.
But one thing is certain - people won't be idle/still for 100% of day. People will start doing something, and I am sure people will work for free and help each other.[/QUOTE]
People will be able to pursue what they want to do a lot easier, but moneyless system? How would that even work?
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