• Tennessee car plant workers vote to not receive union representation
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[t]http://imgkk.com/i/e064.jpg[/t] [t]http://imgkk.com/i/lv77.jpg[/t] [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-26203784[/url] [quote]In a surprise move, US workers have voted against union representation at a Volkswagen car plant in the southern state of Tennessee. The vote derails efforts by the United Auto Workers (UAW) to organise foreign-owned factories in the southern US. Experts had expected the ballot to pass in favour of unionising, after Volkswagen tacitly supported the move. The vote had faced resistance from Republican politicians, who argued it would slow economic growth.[/quote]
These are the people that vote the sleezy fat cats into office in the first place. It's really worrying seeing how many people in the US are so adamant on voting against their best interests that they'll happily castrate themselves for a promise of a pat on the head by wall street.
[QUOTE=Reshy;43928759]These are the kind people that vote the sleezy fat cats into office in the first place.[/QUOTE] Well to be fair UAW administration is comprised entirely of fatcats
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43928776]Well to be fair UAW administration is comprised entirely of fatcats[/QUOTE] Darn Zeke, I was in the middle of editing my post!
What do you expect? It's Tennessee, the epicenter of poor white people who vote against their own interests.
Collective bargaining is for communists
[QUOTE=smurfy;43928739][t]http://imgkk.com/i/lv77.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] lmao is that real
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43928919]lmao is that real[/QUOTE] It's goofy but it is true. Unions are a huge part of lobbying and supporting politicians. I'd be pissed if I had to be in a union, and then that union used money I gave it to support a politician I didn't support.
[QUOTE=Reshy;43928759]These are the people that vote the sleezy fat cats into office in the first place. It's really worrying seeing how many people in the US are so adamant on voting against their best interests that they'll happily castrate themselves for a promise of a pat on the head by wall street.[/QUOTE] Yes, the people in that plant are retarded children that don't know what's best for themselves and need you to make decisions for them. Wait, no they aren't and no they don't. Unions are becoming increasingly redundant and parasitic as time moves on. The original unions that were created 100+ years ago existed to improve workers rights, workplace safety and fair compensation. All three of these things are almost completely covered by government regulation, and have been for decades now. Modern unions almost completely concentrate on the third thing, fair compensation. Except most of the time they get so deluded with how much they deem "fair" that they end up causing the business to fail and the employees that worked for the business to be up shit creek without a paddle. Greedy unions were a large portion of the problem in the GM debt fiasco and one of the main reasons Hostess failed. Unions still have a place in less developed areas of the world, but not much anywhere else.
[quote]and one of the main reasons Hostess failed.[/quote] congratulations, you're gullible
[QUOTE=GiGaBiTe;43929267]Yes, the people in that plant are retarded children that don't know what's best for themselves and need you to make decisions for them. Wait, no they aren't and no they don't. Unions are becoming increasingly redundant and parasitic as time moves on. The original unions that were created 100+ years ago existed to improve workers rights, workplace safety and fair compensation. All three of these things are almost completely covered by government regulation, and have been for decades now. Modern unions almost completely concentrate on the third thing, fair compensation. Except most of the time they get so deluded with how much they deem "fair" that they end up causing the business to fail and the employees that worked for the business to be up shit creek without a paddle. Greedy unions were a large portion of the problem in the GM debt fiasco and one of the main reasons Hostess failed. Unions still have a place in less developed areas of the world, but not much anywhere else.[/QUOTE] Pfft, yup, nearly all jobs in the U.S. are completely non-hazardous, fairly compensated, and have good job safety.
[QUOTE=Reshy;43928759]These are the people that vote the sleezy fat cats into office in the first place. It's really worrying seeing how many people in the US are so adamant on voting against their best interests that they'll happily castrate themselves for a promise of a pat on the head by wall street.[/QUOTE] Unions are horseshit in my opinion. All the work places that I've been in that has had one they literally never show up or do their job. Hell they can't even inform or keep the people who belong to the union up to date with information. Good example is my current workplace has a union. I've have yet to seen a union rep or union meeting - I've been with this shitty ass company for 3 years now. I don't want to knock all Unions though, some of them actually have done a good deal for the work force and continuing to do so.
[QUOTE=Aman;43928954]It's goofy but it is true. Unions are a huge part of lobbying and supporting politicians. I'd be pissed if I had to be in a union, and then that union used money I gave it to support a politician I didn't support.[/QUOTE] Conservative candidates are typically downright hostile towards unions. When you consider that unionized employees get better wages on average, having your union (that you pay for) support a liberal candidate is the "best bang for your buck", so to speak. [editline]15th February 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=MR-X;43929409]I've have yet to seen a union rep or union meeting - I've been with this shitty ass company for 3 years now.[/QUOTE] It's your responsibility to learn who the shop steward is, who your union reps are, how to contact them, and when and where meetings are. They're not here to hold your hand
[QUOTE=Appellation;43929316]Pfft, yup, nearly all jobs in the U.S. are completely non-hazardous, fairly compensated, and have good job safety.[/QUOTE] Let's pick a hazardous occupation, like coal mining. Coal mining is still a hazardous occupation, but is [I]considerably[/I] less hazardous than it was 50-60 years ago and an immeasurable amount less hazardous than it was at the turn of the last century. Unions initially got the ball rolling from the disasters that plagued coal mining, but the government picked up where they left off and have been crawling up the ass of coal mining companies and increasingly regulating the hell out of them since the 40s. Now since we don't have a time machine, we can't directly compare the conditions from 114 years apart, but there is a place in the world that has mining conditions from about that long ago, which would be China. We have modern mining equipment, modern mining techniques, technology, work scheduling and safety equipment. This minimizes the risk to the miners and reduces their mortality rate to almost nothing, bar the extreme few freak accidents. It also drastically reduces their risk of injury or disease (black lung anyone?) China still relies on huge volumes of poorly educated workers to mine coal with primitive and dangerous tools and barely compensate them at all. They have little if any safety equipment and hundreds of them die every year because they lack both unions and government support. There are many more hazardous occupations like this and comparing the states versions of them to other countries around the world, they're a thousand fold better off than they otherwise would be.
[QUOTE=Helix Snake;43929288]congratulations, you're gullible[/QUOTE] Having been around people working for Canadian National, I can assure you their union fees aren't going to the good of the union.
to be honest unless your employers are absolutely rock bottom with corporate responsibility, there is little need to be in a union these days. I'm not in a union because my employers give me a fair wage with regular raises. I put in heaps of effort which they acknowledge and in return I get offered to do the hours I want (some days they tell me to come in whenever I want in a reasonable timeframe haha) and they work around uni for me. packing shelves part time and bringing home $500 every week is pretty sick. employers are not automatically evil.
Over here Labour is funded by the Unions, Conservatives the private investors.
Unions would just make the cars more expensive with lower quality.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;43929892]to be honest unless your employers are absolutely rock bottom with corporate responsibility, there is little need to be in a union these days. I'm not in a union because my employers give me a fair wage with regular raises. I put in heaps of effort which they acknowledge and in return I get offered to do the hours I want (some days they tell me to come in whenever I want in a reasonable timeframe haha) and they work around uni for me. packing shelves part time and bringing home $500 every week is pretty sick. employers are not automatically evil.[/QUOTE] Over here nearly everyone is under paid and overworked. With the exception of people in strong unions. We are just rife with fucking dipshit morons who can't even recognize how fucked they are. We call them Republicans.
Congratulations. Now get out. You're all fired. We're replacing you with robots.
[QUOTE=rampage p;43930078]Unions would just make the cars more expensive with lower quality.[/QUOTE] Considering most auto workers already seem to be unionized, no
[QUOTE=Zeke129;43930424]Considering most auto workers already seem to be unionized, no[/QUOTE] Its being offshored to China...
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43930496]Its being offshored to China...[/QUOTE] And Google is working with Foxconn to replace their labor force with robots. We're in for an interesting decade if they press forward with that.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;43928819]What do you expect? It's Tennessee, the epicenter of poor white people who vote against their own interests.[/QUOTE] Tennessee is not a hivemind. We younger Tennesseans are generally pretty okay.
What kind of arrogance leads some of you to believe you know the best option for other people- who are in circumstances wholly different then your own?
It's nice to know a union's got your back. When I was working for tesco it was worth paying a few quid a month to know that I've got that backup. It's nice insurance knowing someone's looking out for your interests. If it wasn't for the union there was a good chance I would've faced disciplinary action for taking time off when my missus wasn't well.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;43929892]to be honest unless your employers are absolutely rock bottom with corporate responsibility, there is little need to be in a union these days. I'm not in a union because my employers give me a fair wage with regular raises. I put in heaps of effort which they acknowledge and in return I get offered to do the hours I want (some days they tell me to come in whenever I want in a reasonable timeframe haha) and they work around uni for me. packing shelves part time and bringing home $500 every week is pretty sick. employers are not automatically evil.[/QUOTE] The company I work for is pretty good, but I've still joined the union there. It costs me £9 ($15) a month, which is small enough for me to not to even notice it being paid out, and I get free legal cover if anything does happen at work (and some other non-work related benefits). I mean, I don't ever want to have to use it, but it's nice to know it's there if I do.
The relationship between unions and democrat/republican politicians is really a catch 22. Republicans try to destroy unions and democrats don't, so the unions finance democrats, which causes republicans to continue to try to destroy unions. It's the same with republicans trying to stop legal immigration and prevent minorities from voting.
Just cause it's a union doesn't mean it's good, there are definitely unions who are horribly corrupt. Plus it may push unreasonable demands on VW making it not worth it to keep the plant open, having meh jobs is better than no job.
Good for them. I wish I could leave my union and keep the $10 they take out of my paycheck each week.
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