• Is civilization overrated?
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Wouldn't we all be a lot happier if we'd never heard of towns or cities or civilization generally? Perhaps we should all nuke ourselves and let plastic organisms take over the earth? What do you think? [highlight](User was banned for this post ("crap thread/didn't read the sticky" - postal))[/highlight]
I dont think nuking ourselves is really a good idea. I think we should stick with what we got.
Without civilization (towns, cities) your average lifespan will be 20 years instead of 80. Sure there are a lot of cons to civilizations but this one pro makes up for them personally.
[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;42810550]Without civilization (towns, cities) your average lifespan will be 20 years instead of 80. Sure there are a lot of cons to civilizations but this one pro makes up for them personally.[/QUOTE] Are you happy with your life? If you answered 'no' to this question, then nuking ourselves is really the best option we have. You literally admit the only pro to civilization is we can live, as though there weren't mu better options available.
[QUOTE=amorax;42810559]Are you happy with your life? If you answered 'no' to this question, then nuking ourselves is really the best option we have. You literally admit the only pro to civilization is we can live, as though there weren't mu better options available.[/QUOTE] hahaha what You're saying we should literally wipe our own species off the planet because... civilisation has a few issues with it? Well.. I'm going to assume this isn't straight ignorance or a troll attempt and level with you, because surely nobody can think this?! civilisation means we can be who we want to be, we can pave our lives out with work, food, a roof over our heads, people to love and love us... Just for starters. Could we have any of that with the short lives we'd have without such things? We can go out, eat, come home and entertain ourselves without being mauled by jaguars or catching cholera, for example. We don't have to constantly compete with other species and our own kin just for mere survival. Oh, but wait, we could get mugged on the way home, may as well nuke ourselves. Humanity has been growing, evolving, learning and shaping culture for thousands of years to get to our privileged position. Why on earth would you throw that away? This isn't a debate. You can take a taxi to the middle of nowhere, hell, go full-on and get a boat to a castaway island, live there for a year and [I]tell[/I] me you prefer it to a comfortable life in the suburbs or wherever where you can be fairly sure your next meal won't end up killing you. Civilisation isn't overrated at all, if anything it's just under-appreciated.
[QUOTE=amorax;42810559]Are you happy with your life? If you answered 'no' to this question, then nuking ourselves is really the best option we have. You literally admit the only pro to civilization is we can live, as though there weren't mu better options available.[/QUOTE] Are you suggesting something like this; (Up to 3:00 and then also at 7:50) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKC21wDarBo[/media] Because honestly I don't think it is collectively bad enough to warrant something like that.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;42810640]Are you suggesting something like this; (Up to 3:00 and then also at 7:50) [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKC21wDarBo[/media] Because honestly I don't think it is collectively bad enough to warrant something like that.[/QUOTE] Maybe it's not bad enough for you, but consider this: Millions, if not billions, of people around the world go hungry every year. There's nothing stopping more advanced nations from dropping off food to them except for arbitrary 'finance' rules.
[QUOTE=amorax;42810685]Maybe it's not bad enough for you, but consider this: Millions, if not billions, of people around the world go hungry every year. There's nothing stopping more advanced nations from dropping off food to them except for arbitrary 'finance' rules.[/QUOTE] I absolutely agree with you. What I don't agree with you is nuking ourselves instead of metaphorically nuking those shitty finance rules. Nihilism can't lead to idealism.
[QUOTE=amorax;42810685]Maybe it's not bad enough for you, but consider this: Millions, if not billions, of people around the world go hungry every year. There's nothing stopping more advanced nations from dropping off food to them except for arbitrary 'finance' rules.[/QUOTE] It's more due to logistical problems. Ok, we can ship food to these countries, how do you propose on doing it? Secondly, how do you ensure the local officials and politicians won't be corrupt enough to sell it off or withhold access to it for political favours?
without civilization we wouldn't even have that food or the billions in numbers we have today, we wouldn't even be connected like this by internet OR dialect. civilization isn't overrated, its the most taken for granted thing mankind has created. do you enjoy being ignorant, living a migrant lifestyle, going days without food, communicating by gestures or grunts? your entire pathetically short life devoted to finding enough calories to survive day to day and producing enough offspring to have a chance at advanceing your own genes then fine it might be overrated, but for the rest of the 8 billion of us, we keep going on. even the poorest most starved person in our civilization is 1000x better off than the richest person in your uncivilization
[QUOTE=amorax;42810685]Maybe it's not bad enough for you, but consider this: Millions, if not billions, of people around the world go hungry every year. There's nothing stopping more advanced nations from dropping off food to them except for arbitrary 'finance' rules.[/QUOTE] So your answer to millions starving is to murder them with nuclear hellfire? [editline]9th November 2013[/editline] Them and billions more, not to mention the nearly permanent damage to the Earth structurally, ecologically, and atmospherically
[QUOTE=amorax;42810685]Maybe it's not bad enough for you, but consider this: Millions, if not billions, of people around the world go hungry every year. There's nothing stopping more advanced nations from dropping off food to them except for arbitrary 'finance' rules.[/QUOTE] Civilization has clearly created more prosperity than ever before. Nomadic, tribal and hunter gatherer societies would no doubt have more trouble feeding people. They don't lead to innovations that create abundance and luxury.
Civilization is an unavoidable concept that exists because of a millenia-long process of people regrouping and degrouping under various circumstances. You can't say we would be better off without civilization because civilization is something you cannot live without, it's either that or utter chaos (chaos until civilization starts forming again, that is).
Humans and most other living things need to work with other humans/living things to survive and improve there are plenty of people who survive alone in the wilderness, but collaboration and teamwork is inevitable. this collaboration and teamwork leads to, well—teams. teams are civilization and it becomes tribes and improves into larger civilization as people improve and more people are teamed with
Civilization is based on the division of labor so that people perform the tasks they are best at instead of having to be a jack of all trades, this is supposed to make things more efficient. I'd say it has, but it may not necessarily be "good" per se.
[QUOTE=(AMS-$)ILOVEPIE;42813471]I'd say it has, but it may not necessarily be "good" per se.[/QUOTE] Why's that?
[QUOTE=amorax;42810559]Are you happy with your life? If you answered 'no' to this question, then nuking ourselves is really the best option we have. You literally admit the only pro to civilization is we can live, as though there weren't mu better options available.[/QUOTE] No, that's not true.The best thing we can do as a civilization is to survive as long as possible. And if that means spending the last resource fragment on our planet, then so fucking be it. So, civilization is not overrated... That hardly even makes any sense as a statement, which brings me to a question: Would civilization still be "overrated" if we were some Universally dominant highly advanced Space-species?
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