• If Linux is the future then the future is awful or How To Install Linux Alongside Windows
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[url]http://www.pcgamesn.com/tf2/how-install-ubuntu-alongside-windows-grab-your-team-fortress-2-penguin-and-get-hell-out-there[/url]
I agree. Ubuntu have made some terrible choices.
A little bit harsh, although I definitely have had way more issues with Ubuntu than any other distro. I wonder if it still bricks itself when you enable auto-login :v:
The easiest mistake you can make if you decide to get Ubuntu is using the Windows installer. It installs it via a virtual ext4 partition in your Windows partition, and Linux NTFS drivers are patchy to say the least. I find if you were to dual boot PROPERLY none of this would occur. A-and y'know, by using a better distro like Mint as well.
hahahaha he installed ubuntu via the windows installer should i keep laughing or feel sorry for him? [editline]18th February 2013[/editline] i'm going to keep laughing hahahahaaa
yeah lol what an idiot using one of the featured installers on the website!!
[QUOTE=Greenen72;39632346]yeah lol what an idiot using one of the featured installers on the website!![/QUOTE] [quote]Now, from my poking around Linux forums, I've learned that Wubi is the worst and most unstable way of experiencing Ubuntu.[/quote]
[QUOTE=BrainDeath;39632339]hahahaha he installed ubuntu via the windows installer should i keep laughing or feel sorry for him? [editline]18th February 2013[/editline] i'm going to keep laughing hahahahaaa[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://supercoolcreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/edgy.jpg[/IMG] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("image macro" - postal))[/highlight]
Or you can use a non retarded distro like Debian.
[QUOTE=Francisco;39632372][IMG]http://supercoolcreative.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/edgy.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] i wasnt aware laughing at something was edgy
I hadn't even considered using the windows installer when I first installed ubuntu. I just googled how to install it instead of going in blind, and none of the guides mentioned the windows installer, so I didn't use it.
wow this has to be the worst fucking article I have ever seen, "journalist" basically cries about how he does not know how to use computers and doesn't want to take the time to research how to. i guess purposefully strawmanning yourself up like this gets the views, though.
We seriously don't need this newsbot.
Even if you dislike the article you can't disagree that it raises a very good point: if Linux is to become the future platform for PC gaming, then popular distributions like Ubuntu and the applications that we use everyday need to become much [i]much[/i] more user friendly.
[QUOTE=Soda;39632612]wow this has to be the worst fucking article I have ever seen, "journalist" basically cries about how he does not know how to use computers and doesn't want to take the time to research how to. i guess purposefully strawmanning yourself up like this gets the views, though.[/QUOTE] You shouldn't have to thoroughly research how to install this, or nobody will bother. If you want users to have a good experience, you make sure they're always on the right path. If the featured Windows installer on the website is terrible, why hasn't it been removed yet?
Valve are strongly pushing this platform but I think they are completely misunderstanding the complexity of it. Ubuntu is just a difficult OS to properly operate and workaround for the basic user. Removing the OS safely on a dual boot config can also be a problem. On my side I decided to wipe the partition Ubuntu was on and used a Windows recovery CD to manually rebuild the Windows bootloader via command prompt. I doubt this is something the basic user is going to understand or even do.
[QUOTE=Clavus;39632674]You shouldn't have to thoroughly research how to install this. If you want users to have a good experience, you make sure they're always on the right path. If the featured Windows installer on the website is terrible, why hasn't it been removed yet?[/QUOTE] What are you on about? You're installing an operating system, of course you should research what you're installing before you do so.. You're not installing a my little pony game or something where nothing can go wrong. You're messing with partitions, current OS's and really really should research before you begin.
I used the windows installer because A: the bootable installer wouldn't work and B: I wasn't planning on using it for more than the time it took to get TF2 downloaded and installed. Plus the fact that the vast majority of what I use on a daily basis won't even run on linux, so there's that.
[QUOTE=Clavus;39632674]You shouldn't have to thoroughly research how to install this, or nobody will bother. If you want users to have a good experience, you make sure they're always on the right path. If the featured Windows installer on the website is terrible, why hasn't it been removed yet?[/QUOTE] linux isn't supposed to be for the casual user who doesn't want to put effort into their operating system, and neither should it be. nobody is telling you to remove windows and install linux, linux gaming is being promoted because of the possibility of selling pre-packaged linux boxes running a custom distro(and the market share this would take from consoles).
[QUOTE=GreenDolphin;39632693]Valve are strongly pushing this platform but I think they are completely misunderstanding the complexity of it. Ubuntu is just a difficult OS to properly operate and workaround for the basic user. Removing the OS safely on a dual boot config can also be a problem. On my side I decided to wipe the partition Ubuntu was on and used a Windows recovery CD to manually rebuild the Windows bootloader via command prompt. I doubt this is something the basic user is going to understand or even do.[/QUOTE] Or you could just rebuild the windows bootloader before you nuke the linux partition using easyBCD.
A parody of what some Windows users write about Linux: [URL="http://www.brankovukelic.com/2013/01/on-state-of-windows-on-desktop.html"]On the state of Windows on the desktop[/URL] I think this article brings up some completely valid points about how Windows can be confusing and difficult to use, just like Linux. The difference is that you're used to the ways in which Windows sucks.
[QUOTE=Wiggles;39632644]Even if you dislike the article you can't disagree that it raises a very good point: if Linux is to become the future platform for PC gaming, then popular distributions like Ubuntu and the applications that we use everyday need to become much [i]much[/i] more user friendly.[/QUOTE] I think Ubuntu is basic enough to get around for most people, even my mum didn't have a problem using it. But I think a big part of adoption isn't just games. I mean I personally won't even consider it until Adobe, Autodesk and others adopt it as well. Steams well and good but games aren't the only thing PC's are good at, and while there are equivalents on Linux they just aren't as good.
[QUOTE=Clavus;39632674]You shouldn't have to thoroughly research how to install this, or nobody will bother. If you want users to have a good experience, you make sure they're always on the right path. If the featured Windows installer on the website is terrible, why hasn't it been removed yet?[/QUOTE] That's because nobody actually used Ubuntu until the TF2 hat promotion.
[QUOTE=legolover122;39632705]I used the windows installer because A: the bootable installer wouldn't work and B: I wasn't planning on using it for more than the time it took to get TF2 downloaded and installed. Plus the fact that the vast majority of what I use on a daily basis won't even run on linux, so there's that.[/QUOTE] Did you create a proper bootable usb using something like Linux Live?
[QUOTE=don818;39632534]Or you can use a non retarded distro like Debian.[/QUOTE] Or you could stick to Windows, get out of your anti-capitalism edgy phase, and enjoy something that just fucking works.
Don't hate me, but I used the Wubi installer and I've suffered no problems at all on my ThinkPad. I have big plans moving to Debian soon however.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;39632736]Did you create a proper bootable usb using something like Linux Live?[/QUOTE] I used something similar to linux live. Was posted in one of the threads announcing the tuxedo penguin. It got to adjusting partitions or something and then it just hung for forever. No progress or anything. I tried to use the advanced menu to select which partition I wanted, but it kept giving me another error. Something about root selection or something. It was a while ago.
I reckon it all comes down to hardware.. I installed Ubuntu alongside windows 8, switched from native drivers to the nvidia drivers through the .run on the nvidia website, download steam from the ubuntu store, installed TF2, works fine! It's been a long time since I've ran ubuntu (Probably around 2 years since my last install) and to be honest, there's a lot of neat features that have been removed from 12.10 such as screensavers and more open desktop customization features, however these can kind of easily be restored through a bunch of commands in the terminal. I reckon the features were removed to save download size, they're all pretty basic features that are available through other builds anyway such as Linux Mint.
[QUOTE=ijyt;39632739]Or you could stick to Windows, get out of your anti-capitalism edgy phase, and enjoy something that just fucking works.[/QUOTE] Umm yeah, like Debian. I don't see how using something that isn't Windows makes you "anti-capitalist." Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't pay for Windows, and even if you had, it was probably through the price of the computer itself. If everyone just "stuck to Windows" we'd be in a much worse off place than we are now, seeing how many people are bitching about Windows 8; how nobody is willing to use the new features that they would be "stuck with."
[I]This guy is a writer for a PC gaming blog?[/I]
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