Medics pronounced Porsche crash driver dead- only to find him still ALIVE two hours later
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A Porsche driver is fighting for his life in hospital after being wrongly declared dead by paramedics at the scene of a car crash.
The 30-year-old man from Melbourne in Australia was about to be taken to the morgue when it was noticed he still had a pulse.
Voluntary emergency workers saw the man twitch and shudder while inside the wreck, but were told this was normal for somebody with spinal injuries.
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Blunder: A man was left inside this mangled Porsche, believed dead
Trevor Oliver, a tow-truck driver at the crash scene, said the man was left in his sports car for about an hour before being wrapped in tarpaulin and lowered onto the ground, during which time his feet could be seen moving.
It was only when the man was being lifted into a coroner’s van that a pulse was detected - about two hours after Mr Oliver had arrived at the crash site.
Volunteers from the State Emergency Service (SES) had mentioned the driver's movement to paramedics, who assured them he was dead.
Mr Oliver said: 'It was only when the coroner's representative turned up to pick up the body and the SES and the coroner's representative went to pick up the body and they noticed that something was odd and [discovered] he still had a very weak pulse.'
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The man was hurt yesterday when his vehicle collided with a four-wheel drive vehicle and flipped north-west of Melbourne at about 2am local time.
He was declared dead by two paramedics after they couldn't find a pulse or any sign he was breathing.
But Lachlan Quick, spokesman for the SES, said the voluntary workers had been concerned the man was not dead before they removed him from the wreckage.
He told the Australian Associated Press: 'They mentioned it to the ambulance guys, who said that it (movement) can be attributed to this sort of effect when there's a spinal injury.
'It was raised and addressed and discussed and then put to one side and they went about their business.'
The driver is now battling to survive at the Royal Melbourne Hospital, while a probe has been launched into the blunder headed by Professor Russell Gruen, director of trauma at The Alfred Hospital in Prahan, Victoria.
Simon Thomson, regional manager of Ambulance Victoria, said the paramedics who had wrongly declared the man dead were highly experienced.
He said they were both traumatised by the incident, Australia's ninemsn news service reported this morning.
'Paramedics use a process to assess whether someone has died or not. 'We're not clear of the exact circumstances on this occasion.'
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Must feel bloody lucky.
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Wouldn't really consider him lucky, isn't it the longer you go without treatment the worse your situation gets?
[QUOTE=Valdor;35400029]Wouldn't really consider him lucky, isn't it the longer you go without treatment the worse your situation gets?[/QUOTE]
Well obviously the longer you leave an injury which requires treatment untreated the worse, but he will probably be okay if they can patch him up. He had a pulse still, so it's not like he's going to end up brain dead/damaged (not from the lack of treatment anyway)
Prepare your survival kits I guess?
Apparently people with degrees and training in things like health and these types of things don't actually know what they're doing.
[QUOTE=SoUl_ReApEr2;35400076]Apparently people with degrees and training in things like health and these types of things don't actually know what they're doing.[/QUOTE]
you'd be surprised how hard it is to find a pulse on someone, i did a first aid course a while back and there was one person in our group who couldn't find their pulse and no one else could either, not even the instructor. Don't be so hasty to say the people don't know what they're doing
[QUOTE=Gareth;35400147]you'd be surprised how hard it is to find a pulse on someone, i did a first aid course a while back and there was one person in our group who couldn't find their pulse and no one else could either, not even the instructor. Don't be so hasty to say the people don't know what they're doing[/QUOTE]
These guys are properly trained otherwise he wouldn't have the job...
[QUOTE=Gareth;35400147]you'd be surprised how hard it is to find a pulse on someone, i did a first aid course a while back and there was one person in our group who couldn't find their pulse and no one else could either, not even the instructor. Don't be so hasty to say the people don't know what they're doing[/QUOTE]
It's not a matter of skill, it's just that person was undead of some sort.
[QUOTE=Gareth;35400147]you'd be surprised how hard it is to find a pulse on someone, i did a first aid course a while back and there was one person in our group who couldn't find their pulse and no one else could either, not even the instructor. Don't be so hasty to say the people don't know what they're doing[/QUOTE]
There's like ten fucking tests you gotta do before you can legally pronounce someone dead.
late april fool's joke? unless it happened yesterday
[quote]Plane passenger finds live MAGGOTS crawling inside packet of nuts (which she’d already started eating)[/quote]
I'm more interested in this
[QUOTE=Gareth;35400147]you'd be surprised how hard it is to find a pulse on someone, i did a first aid course a while back and there was one person in our group who couldn't find their pulse and no one else could either, not even the instructor. Don't be so hasty to say the people don't know what they're doing[/QUOTE]
I don't know how things are done in Australia but here in America we hook people up to an ECG to confirm that their heart has no electrical rhythm before we pronounce them dead.
[QUOTE=silentjubjub;35400935]I'm more interested in this[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2123930/Plane-passenger-finds-live-MAGGOTS-crawling-inside-packet-nuts.html[/url]
If I remember correctly, EMTs aren't allowed to pronounce a person legally dead, that's typically left to physicians, coroners, and/or medical examiners. Not sure if it's done otherwise in Austrailia.
[QUOTE=Gareth;35400147]you'd be surprised how hard it is to find a pulse on someone, i did a first aid course a while back and there was one person in our group who couldn't find their pulse and no one else could either, not even the instructor. Don't be so hasty to say the people don't know what they're doing[/QUOTE]
If you're declaring someone dead, I'd use a fucking stethoscope. Trust me, you [b]WILL[/b] hear a pulse through one of those.
[QUOTE=Tukimoshi;35401442]If you're declaring someone dead, I'd use a fucking stethoscope. Trust me, you [b]WILL[/b] hear a pulse through one of those.[/QUOTE]
oh god, i was wearing a pair my mom forgot was in her bag(former nurse), and i dropped the end of it on the ground, i thought i got punched in the head.
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Over here in Canada, only a doctor can pronounce someone dead unless the death is excruciatingly apparent, ie, head decapitation or heavy decay. Otherwise, police and paramedics can't officially declare someone dead.
supernatural episode right there
Either Lazarus Syndrome or somebody seriously fucked up.
[QUOTE=Gareth;35400147]you'd be surprised how hard it is to find a pulse on someone, i did a first aid course a while back and there was one person in our group who couldn't find their pulse and no one else could either, not even the instructor. Don't be so hasty to say the people don't know what they're doing[/QUOTE]
There's a list of signs EMS personnel are supposed to look for in a person you think is dead. Pulse is literally only one of them. Even then, pulse is not that important. Then again, it depends entirely on the situation.
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[QUOTE=Xeon06;35401637]Over here in Canada, only a doctor can pronounce someone dead unless the death is excruciatingly apparent, ie, head decapitation or heavy decay. Otherwise, police and paramedics can't officially declare someone dead.[/QUOTE]
EMT's elsewhere can study Bio and Clinical death, but we wait until Paramedics arrive so they can pronounce them dead.
You can see heavy decay very easily. From extreme cyanosis, rigour mortis and blood pooling. At that point in time, there's no way they're alive.
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[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;35401125]If I remember correctly, EMTs aren't allowed to pronounce a person legally dead, that's typically left to physicians, coroners, and/or medical examiners. Not sure if it's done otherwise in Austrailia.[/QUOTE]
Paramedics can pronounce people dead.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35402462]Paramedics can pronounce people dead.[/QUOTE]
I'm a paramedic and we aren't allowed to pronounce somebody dead unless they're missing their head.
[QUOTE=Robber;35402862]I'm a paramedic and we aren't allowed to pronounce somebody dead unless they're missing the head.[/QUOTE]
Depends on where you are.
If that's the case, then yeah, I can pronounce someone dead too.
[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35402874]Depends on where you are.
If that's the case, then yeah, I can pronounce someone dead too.[/QUOTE]
I'm from Austria, but I assumed it was similar in most western countries.
There have been a lot of stories latley about Medics turning around and saying someone is dead just for them to be found still alive. Why do doctors seem so meh lately.
[QUOTE=PX1K;35408709]There have been a lot of stories latley about Medics turning around and saying someone is dead just for them to be found still alive. Why do doctors seem so meh lately.[/QUOTE]
didn't read.
[QUOTE=zombini;35401530]oh god, i was wearing a pair my mom forgot was in her bag(former nurse), and i dropped the end of it on the ground, i thought i got punched in the head.[/QUOTE]
I used to tap on those things.
It literally deafend me for seconds.
I still don't get how to find a pulse, I couldn't do it when I was taught basic first aid. I just don't feel anything.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;35409914]I still don't get how to find a pulse, I couldn't do it when I was taught basic first aid. I just don't feel anything.[/QUOTE]
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You can feel it very easily right there.
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