• Abbas accused Israeli rabbis of calling for the poisoning of Palestinian water
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[URL]http://www.reuters.com/article/us-palestinians-israel-idUSKCN0Z91J8[/URL] [QUOTE]Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas accused Israeli rabbis on Thursday of calling for the poisoning of Palestinian water, in what appeared to be an invocation of a widely debunked media report that recalled a medieval anti-Semitic libel.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Abbas's remarks, in a speech to the European parliament, did not appear on the official transcript issued by his office, suggesting he may have spoken off the cuff as he condemned Israeli actions against Palestinians amid stalled peace talks. "Only a week ago, a number of rabbis in Israel announced, and made a clear announcement, demanding that their government poison the water to kill the Palestinians," Abbas said. "Isn't that clear incitement to commit mass killings against the Palestinian people? [/QUOTE]
Not saying that this is ok, but don't muslim leaders say similar and sometimes even worse things all the time? It's just religion being religion, really.
[QUOTE=orgornot;50579130]Not saying that this is ok, but don't muslim leaders say similar and sometimes even worse things all the time? It's just religion being religion, really.[/QUOTE] That doesn't excuse it
[QUOTE=orgornot;50579130]Not saying that this is ok, but don't muslim leaders say similar and sometimes even worse things all the time? It's just religion being religion, really.[/QUOTE] The thing is, the extremist Muslims aren't a part of a civilized country that's considered to be first-world.
Israeli settlers have done some horrible things in the past but reading through the article I get the impression this rumour is probably bullshit.
Isn't the deal not so much that the water is being poisoned but that it's being heavily polluted by Israeli operations with no regards to how it affects Palestinian water supplies?
[QUOTE=Carlito;50581367]Isn't the deal not so much that the water is being poisoned but that it's being heavily polluted by Israeli operations with no regards to how it affects Palestinian water supplies?[/QUOTE] that's poison
Israel is pretty much in control of the water.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50583295]Israel is pretty much in control of the water.[/QUOTE] Israel is in control of everything, being that it's occupying Palestine. That doesn't mean Israel is poisoning the water.
[URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/abbas-retracts-rabbis-water-poisoning-comment-160625132534138.html"]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/06/abbas-retracts-rabbis-water-poisoning-comment-160625132534138.html[/URL] [QUOTE]Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas has retracted comments he made this week about an alleged plot by rabbis calling on Jewish settlers to poison the drinking water of Palestinians. Abbas' office acknowledged on Saturday that his comments were "baseless", adding he "didn't intend to do harm to Judaism or to offend Jewish people around the world." In a speech to the European Union in Brussels on Thursday, Abbas made claims of a plot to poison Palestinian wells, sparking accusations of anti-Semitism.[/QUOTE]
They should just use Fluoride like we do. :clown: Makes us nice and docile with a white smile.
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50592410]They should just use Fluoride like we do. :clown: Makes us nice and docile with a white smile.[/QUOTE] Okay. [URL="http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.709296"]http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.709296[/URL]
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;50584777]Israel is in control of everything, being that it's occupying Palestine. That doesn't mean Israel is poisoning the water.[/QUOTE] But it means it doesn't give a fuck about the Palestinians rights....
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50592514]But it means it doesn't give a fuck about the Palestinians rights....[/QUOTE] Obviously. Israel is occupying Palestine. The Palestinians are under Israeli military occupation. The extent to which Israel gives any fucks about the rights, well being or even the lives of the Palestinians is the bare minimum required to keep global condemnation to a manageable level. That's it. Look, Israel isn't there to do any nation building or even to annex Palestine. It's there because we got stuck occupying them after we won the last big war, and haven't been able to unload them on anyone else since. At this point all Israel can be arsed to do with Palestine is manage its threat to Israel and otherwise pretend its not there. Israel can't even just quietly pull out and pretend nothing happened like the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan. We tried that in the Gaza strip and ended up with Hamas taking over and a bi-yearly medium to heavy missile shower. Until everyone gets their shit together around here and get back to working out a compromise that gives Palestine its sovereignty and Israel its security this is how it's going to be. For some reason too many people are comfortable with that. Regardless, we don't poison their water.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;50592783]Obviously. Israel is occupying Palestine. The Palestinians are under Israeli military occupation. The extent to which Israel gives any fucks about the rights, well being or even the lives of the Palestinians is the bare minimum required to keep global condemnation to a manageable level. That's it. Look, Israel isn't there to do any nation building or even to annex Palestine. It's there because we got stuck occupying them after we won the last big war, and haven't been able to unload them on anyone else since. At this point all Israel can be arsed to do with Palestine is manage its threat to Israel and otherwise pretend its not there. Israel can't even just quietly pull out and pretend nothing happened like the US did in Iraq and Afghanistan. We tried that in the Gaza strip and ended up with Hamas taking over and a bi-yearly medium to heavy missile shower. Until everyone gets their shit together around here and get back to working out a compromise that gives Palestine its sovereignty and Israel its security this is how it's going to be. For some reason too many people are comfortable with that. Regardless, we don't poison their water.[/QUOTE] You tried what in Gaza? You still control Gaza. Or the coastal and airspace are free of Israeli intervention? You pulled out of Gaza because the numbers didn't close. The higher responsibility here is Israel. You are a state. With US support. With 400 times the firepower palestinians can dish out. Don't you realize, that the country you're living in, is treating Palestinians under the PNA and its authority as dicks? I mean, what about the fact that palestine complaints against settler violence go largely ignored or the fact that they are deprived of their lands and economic sources to later work in Israeli firms which fire them if they complain about their wages? "Everyone gets their shit together". Funny. Like if the palestine families had to get their shit together after being expelled from where they live or being treated as shit by the Israelis. If you keep treating people -because you are treating a whole group of people- as shit, don't expect hugs and flowers.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50592814]You tried what in Gaza? You still control Gaza.[/QUOTE] They unilaterally left Gaza. The blockade and control came later as a reaction to Hamas.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;50592814]You tried what in Gaza? You still control Gaza. Or the coastal and airspace are free of Israeli intervention? You pulled out of Gaza because the numbers didn't close. The higher responsibility here is Israel. You are a state. With US support. With 400 times the firepower palestinians can dish out. [/quote] There is no higher responsibility. When a country has to deal with a population under a war mongering government like Hamas, they dont have to take responsibility. A country like Israel has no control on the education and the living standards in Gaza. Palestine had recieved enough international aid from the world to increase its quality of civilian life, yet they didn't move an inch since the Oslo accords. [quote]Don't you realize, that the country you're living in, is treating Palestinians under the PNA and its authority as dicks? I mean, what about the fact that palestine complaints against settler violence go largely ignored or the fact that they are deprived of their lands and economic sources to later work in Israeli firms which fire them if they complain about their wages?[/quote] I agree that settler violence is a problem. It's a vicious cycle of attacks on innocents that must be stopped. Also is there a source on the wages complaints? As far as i know Israeli firms fired Palestinians as a result from international boycott on factories that are built on occupied west bank areas (SEE: BDS campaign against Sodastream) [quote]"Everyone gets their shit together". Funny. Like if the palestine families had to get their shit together after being expelled from where they live or being treated as shit by the Israelis. If you keep treating people -because you are treating a whole group of people- as shit, don't expect hugs and flowers.[/QUOTE] You're looking at it as if it was black and white. I'm not blaming the Palestinian families who suffer the consequences, but the elected Palestinian extremist organization Hamas. For years the PA and Hamas used propaganda to brainwash its citizens into thinking that the war with Israel will lead to a great victory, while in reality they're using sticks and stones against a highly trained and well armed nation. The casualities from the wars are used to draw sympathy from the world and by now, Hamas is winning. Why isn't Israel giving the Palestinians a break? It's because they cant be trusted. Simple as that. The Palestinians need to replace their current government with a more moderate one who will cooperate with Israel. This relationship needs to be built on trust and currently the tyranny of Hamas is the one causing the harsh punishment on Palestinian lives.
Hamas wants an Islamic state and Israelis wants a Jewish only state. So they pretty much are the same. The Palestinians don't need any brainwashing to hate Israel. They suffered enough and have seen a lot of what the Israeli government, the IDF and the settlers have done to them. So they do desperate things like the stabbings and driving people over because they know they have no future. I'm not justifying anything because I know the stabbings are wrong but can you really blame them for being depressed because they're getting fucked by both Israeli and Palestinian government. Take a look at the wall Israel build around the west bank. They literary build it so they can steal more land by the shape they did it in. I've been here for almost 2 weeks and I've seen shit that's really depressing. This conflict is fucked up and the only people suffering from this are the innocent Palestinians. And I'm having trouble seeing a solution that will end it but only one. As I said, Muslims here wants an Islamic state and the Israelis wants a Jewish state which means they have the same goal in the end and the Christians will be suffering even greater in the end.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50603576]Hamas wants an Islamic state and Israelis wants a Jewish only state. So they pretty much are the same. The Palestinians don't need any brainwashing to hate Israel. They suffered enough and have seen a lot of what the Israeli government, the IDF and the settlers have done to them. So they do desperate things like the stabbings and driving people over because they know they have no future. I'm not justifying anything because I know the stabbings are wrong but can you really blame them for being depressed because they're getting fucked by both Israeli and Palestinian government. Take a look at the wall Israel build around the west bank. They literary build it so they can steal more land by the shape they did it in. I've been here for almost 2 weeks and I've seen shit that's really depressing. This conflict is fucked up and the only people suffering from this are the innocent Palestinians. And I'm having trouble seeing a solution that will end it but only one. As I said, Muslims here wants an Islamic state and the Israelis wants a Jewish state which means they have the same goal in the end and the Christians will be suffering even greater in the end.[/QUOTE] they actually built it to try and stop the daily suicide bombings but okay [editline]27th June 2016[/editline] I don't see a resolution to the conflict. The people who can end it are the Palestinian people by stopping their support for extremist governments, but that isn't going to happen for a long while.
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50603576]Hamas wants an Islamic state and Israelis wants a Jewish only state. So they pretty much are the same. [/quote] Who said we want a Jewish only state? the population consists of 20% arabs and one of the official languages is arabic, what gave you that idea? [quote]Take a look at the wall Israel build around the west bank. [B]They literary build it so they can steal more land by the shape they did it in.[/B] I've been here for almost 2 weeks and I've seen shit that's really depressing. This conflict is fucked up and the only people suffering from this are the innocent Palestinians.[/QUOTE] That's complete utter bullshit and you know it. Ever since the second Intifada, more than 50 suicide attacks were carried from the west bank. The wall is there for a reason because ever since it was built, suicide attacks against civilians was reduced to nearly zero. Like i said, this relationship needs to be built on trust and honesty. Without cooperation, Palestinians will continue to live in shitty conditions and won't have the freedom they deserve.
Took their land, and now shit on their lawn while going all "we occupied this land hurr hurr". Just goes to show how shameless some people can be
[QUOTE=Bucketboy;50603576]Hamas wants an Islamic state and Israelis wants a Jewish only state. So they pretty much are the same.[/QUOTE] The difference is that Israel is capable of living with a 20% Muslim population peacefully, while Hamas wants to kill anyone that's not a part of their religion. You're insane if you want to compare the two. [QUOTE=Bucketboy;50603576] The Palestinians don't need any brainwashing to hate Israel. They suffered enough and have seen a lot of what the Israeli government, the IDF and the settlers have done to them.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because the Palestinian child soldiers (re: 6-7 year olds) certainly know the political motivations behind what they're doing. Sure. [QUOTE=Bucketboy;50603576] So they do desperate things like the stabbings and driving people over because they know they have no future.[/QUOTE] Half of this forum has no future outside of working at Arby's and shitposting on the weekends. I don't see any of us massacring civilians. [QUOTE=Bucketboy;50603576] I'm not justifying anything because I know the stabbings are wrong but can you really blame them for being depressed because they're getting fucked by both Israeli and Palestinian government.[/QUOTE] No, but I sure as hell can blame them for murdering innocent people. [QUOTE=Bucketboy;50603576] Take a look at the wall Israel build around the west bank. They literary build it so they can steal more land by the shape they did it in.[/QUOTE] Or because Palestinians were illegally entering the country and butchering innocent women and children for a mixture of religious and monetary benefit. [QUOTE=Bucketboy;50603576]As I said, Muslims here wants an Islamic state and the Israelis wants a Jewish state which means they have the same goal in the end and the Christians will be suffering even greater in the end.[/QUOTE] Right, no, Christians in Israel are living just fine. Hell, roughly half of Israeli Jews is secular-- barely anyone there gives two fucks about your religion, while Palestinians will [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories"]murder you for as much as being gay[/URL]. Don't try to compare a barbaric terrorist state to a western and civilized country, please-- it's rather insulting.
You know, I always wondered what would happen if hypothetically, with no warning whatsoever, the U.S. cut all ties with Israel. Remove its diplomatic staff, freeze any sort of trade between the two, pull all support, the works. How would that look on the international level? How would countries react and most importantly, how would Israel feel about it? I don't think they like the U.S. all that much (though they probably like us more than most) , so it makes me wonder what would happen if a situation like this happened.
[QUOTE=Doneeh;50605532]You know, I always wondered what would happen if hypothetically, with no warning whatsoever, the U.S. cut all ties with Israel. Remove its diplomatic staff, freeze any sort of trade between the two, pull all support, the works. How would that look on the international level? How would countries react and most importantly, how would Israel feel about it? I don't think they like the U.S. all that much (though they probably like us more than most) , so it makes me wonder what would happen if a situation like this happened.[/QUOTE] My guess is that it'll become a warzone. Israel and the occupied territories do not only contain highly valued religious sites, but at the moment Israel is considered to be one of the strongest connections the western world has to the middle east. Isolating a country like that might lead to extremists going full rage mode, or even worse, getting elected in to powerful positions due to feelings of betrayal. We have a good amount of nutjobs in the Knesset, but they are balanced out by the more sane centrist-left parties. Personally I'd hate to see someone like [url="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_Marzel"]Baruch Merzel[/url] getting anywhere close to a seat there. Being weakened like that might also make Israel a hotspot for military invasions kind of like the war of independence or the yom kippur war. That's just me speculating though. Like some said in this thread, I cant really see a clear solution in sight due to sheer refusal from both sides to reach any peaceful agreement. The only way to ensure peace in the region is to destroy the foundation of hatred this entire situation is built on, and to stop fucking killing people/destroying lives because of bullshit reasons. Israel needs to get it's shit together and realize that building even more illegal settlements is detrimental to our security, and to at least try and give the Palestinian people sovereignty and dignity like they obviously deserve and want. On the other hand, you have powers working from within the west bank and Gaza that actively try (and sometimes succeed) to terrorize the Israeli people. Powers that convert humanitarian aid and what little is let through the current embargo to weapons they aim at our civilian population. Powers that teach children hate and bloodlust, under the guise of self defense or religious right while also suppressing their own people to further an agenda. It's a cruel cycle of sorts. I don't even care who started it at this point, but violence leads to fear and desperation, fear and desperation lead to violence. It's a wheel that must be broken. tl;dr: everybody needs to get their shit together or this status quo will just fester and eventually explode like a nasty zit. Possibly one of the biggest gray-area shit shows in the world right now IMO.
[QUOTE=Monkah;50604563]The difference is that Israel is capable of living with a 20% Muslim population peacefully, while Hamas wants to kill anyone that's not a part of their religion. You're insane if you want to compare the two. Yeah, because the Palestinian child soldiers (re: 6-7 year olds) certainly know the political motivations behind what they're doing. Sure. Half of this forum has no future outside of working at Arby's and shitposting on the weekends. I don't see any of us massacring civilians. No, but I sure as hell can blame them for murdering innocent people. Or because Palestinians were illegally entering the country and butchering innocent women and children for a mixture of religious and monetary benefit. Right, no, Christians in Israel are living just fine. Hell, roughly half of Israeli Jews is secular-- barely anyone there gives two fucks about your religion, while Palestinians will [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_the_Palestinian_territories"]murder you for as much as being gay[/URL]. Don't try to compare a barbaric terrorist state to a western and civilized country, please-- it's rather insulting.[/QUOTE] They are desperate because you guys fucking took everything they had. Don't say that you never expected that. If you're gonna be a robber then you must accept the risk that some people will fight back. Nobody cares about how fancy a robber pants is, and how 'civilized' they carry themselves.
[QUOTE=hakimhakim;50608623]They are desperate because you guys fucking took everything they had. Don't say that you never expected that. If you're gonna be a robber then you must accept the risk that some people will fight back. Nobody cares about how fancy a robber pants is, and how 'civilized' they carry themselves.[/QUOTE] Talking to you feels like talking to a god damn wall People here are making good points about the conflict and how to solve it but all you gotta say is "BUT YOU FUCKING STOLE THEIR LAAAAND"
[QUOTE=BioWaster;50592410]They should just use Fluoride like we do. :clown: Makes us nice and docile with a white smile.[/QUOTE] Please tell me you're just joking and not actually one of those conspiracy theory idiots?
[QUOTE=hakimhakim;50608623]They are desperate because you guys fucking took everything they had. Don't say that you never expected that. If you're gonna be a robber then you must accept the risk that some people will fight back. Nobody cares about how fancy a robber pants is, and how 'civilized' they carry themselves.[/QUOTE] The original UN partion plan gave the Palestinians way more land than the Jews. The Palestinian and Arab leadership decided that they didn't like the plan and rejected it in favor of attacking the Israelis. Now that the Israelis won, they want their land back [I]after[/I] they rejected a plan which would allow them to keep it? To show how fucking stupid this is, imagine that when the Confederates lost the civil war, they demand Richmond and a few states remain under Confederate control.
Again, the problem itself won't be solved by both sides pointing fingers and playing the victim. Both sides have done awful things to each other. You can go as far as to blame the British Empire for taking over in the first place, and then leaving the land to multiple factions that at the time had no idea how to handle such a situation. You can blame Jordan, Egypt and Syria for trying to wipe Israel off the map, which in turn boosted israeli aggression. Hell you could blame nazi Germany for leaving the Jewish people hurt and afraid. But pointing fingers doesn't solve problems. Playing the victim doesn't solve problems. Decisive action and compromise can solve problems. And to be honest the biggest problem here is that both sides want it all with no consideration of the consequences. I'm not going to be surprised if people fight if they feel oppressed, but we have to find a solution to that oppression that won't just reverse the entire situation. Both factions are here to stay at this point. Why not try and put the past behind us and compromise for a deal that will ensure both sovereignty and security?
[QUOTE=RzDat;50608812]Talking to you feels like talking to a god damn wall People here are making good points about the conflict and how to solve it but all you gotta say is "BUT YOU FUCKING STOLE THEIR LAAAAND"[/QUOTE] Good points on how to solve it? All we see here is how we tried to muddle the root of the conflict by going "It's everybody's fault. There not much we can do", which almost everybody understood since the beginning. The UN plan does not consider what the already-established country, Palestine, wants. It was forced upon. How do we expect they won't retaliate? And Arab's losing does not even remotely justify taking more of their land. What are we, barbarians? What pisses me off is your method of trying to cover the origin of this dilemma, by averting people's attention to every pebble on the side of the road, to justify your crime. It's clear as day that no one side will compromise. Fights are inevitable. But if you decided to be a robber, then be a proud one. Don't try to justify your crime. Don't whimper and cry victim when the houseowner hit you back.
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