• Army cancels Humvee Recap, places bets on JLTV
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[img]http://www.dodbuzz.com/wp-content/themes/dodbuzz/thumb.php?src=http://www.dodbuzz.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/jltvs.jpg&w=300&h=200&zc=1&q=80[/img] [release] Spending millions to rebuild the Army’s aging Humvee fleet apparently stopped making sense up on Capitol Hill. Defense leaders, especially those in the Marine Corps, had said it was fool hardy to spend slightly less to rebuild the old fleet rather than invest in new trucks that will last longer. However, Congress pushed back pointing out how each service has recently struggled to deliver new vehicles. AOL Defense reported last night that Congress has finally listened to those pleas from the Pentagon and agreed to cancel the Humvee Recapitalization program in the forthcoming defense budget with those funds transferred over to the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle program. It took a last minute compromise between the Army and the Marine Corps to save JLTV from Congress’ ever sharpening budget axe. However, an agreement to ease off strict weight requirements sliced $80,000 off the per vehicle cost of the JLTV. Defense officials intended to replace the entire Humvee fleet with the JLTV. Spiraling costs and missed deadlines caused Army and Marine Corps officials to amend those expectations. Army leaders now want to replace a third of its 150,000-Humvee fleet with the JLTV and Marine generals plan to buy 5,500. Of course, the JLTV would never have had to compete with the Humvee recap if the program had run smoothly. But thus is life in the defense acquisition world where a program that meets a deadline is the outlier. Stories about titanium mufflers on JLTVs allowed the Humvee recap to gain momentum as a hedge for what looked more and more like another doomed modernization program for the Defense Department. Truck companies got creative as they tried to build a Humvee that could withstand the improvised explosive device blasts shredding Humvees in Iraq and Afghanistan. AM General, the original Humvee manufacturer, even installed a chimney system built by Hardwire LLC into its Humvee that funneled blast pressure through the vehicle rather than around it. The fate of both programs always came down to per vehicle costs, though. Once Army and Marine Corps officials agreed to reduce the JLTV’s price tag below $300,000, it made investing $200,000 to rebuild each Humvee a tougher sell. An official announcement from the Pentagon on the Humvee Recapitalization program will not come until the defense budget is unveiled. And companies involved in the Humvee Recap have plenty of friends on Capitol Hill. If the Humvee recap is caneled it places all the pressure back on JLTV program leaders. The Defense Department would no longer have a back up plan to replace its fleet of trucks it started building in 1984. [/release] Read more: [url]http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/01/24/report-army-cancels-humvee-recap-places-bets-on-jltv/#ixzz1kRo44kMW[/url] DoDBuzz.com Looks alot cooler too! [img]http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=101091[/img] [img]http://thefutureofthings.com/upload/items_icons/Joint-Light-Tactical-Vehicl_large.jpg[/img]
Hey as long as it last longer and keeps you alive.
[quote]Once Army and Marine Corps officials agreed to reduce the JLTV’s price tag below $300,000, it made investing $200,000 to rebuild each Humvee a tougher sell.[/quote] damn
Fuck the future soldier style, I like Humvees best because they're like... classic now :c Even though the new ones are probably a million times better.
That thing is tits. RIP Humvee. 1984-2012 I'd love to see stealth trucks like the ones from Deus Ex: HR.
like it was said in the other article, i really don't like how the tires are exposed that much without armor plating.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;34383972]like it was said in the other article, i really don't like how the tires are exposed that much without armor plating.[/QUOTE] The tire [I]is[/I] the armor plating.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;34383972]like it was said in the other article, i really don't like how the tires are exposed that much without armor plating.[/QUOTE] they're not ordinary car or truck tyres.
Point is, what if you need to carry extra people? Where do they stay? On the current vehicle its square, sit on the hood, sit on the roof, hang on to the side, hold on to the back... where do you hold onto on the new one? I like the shapes, but lets be practical here.
Very nice, I'd love to see this in action. Fun fact, the new humvees cant have photos taken inside of them with the flash during use because the flash causes the fire systems to go off. My friend had this happen to him once
Those windows are so fucking thick...
looks sweet
Certainly beats pumping out humvee refits every few months. It served its course.
[QUOTE=muffinmastah;34384497]Point is, what if you need to carry extra people? Where do they stay? On the current vehicle its square, sit on the hood, sit on the roof, hang on to the side, hold on to the back... where do you hold onto on the new one? I like the shapes, but lets be practical here.[/QUOTE]You shove them in another one and they get to keep their lives. The humvee was never designed to do the things it is doing now, so it's well due for a replacement.
That design looks good, the slight angle will help deflect bullets and shrapnel from road side IED's
[img]http://www.defpro.com/data/gfx/news/c3ac331eec8d644db67b3422e8347ea35ffcf7b9_big.jpg[/img] Looks similar to Georgian and French vehicles.
[QUOTE=Mabus;34385899]Certainly beats pumping out humvee refits every few months. It served its course.[/QUOTE] Kinda makes you wonder how much longer the Abrams has left in its service life, and what the next MBT will be...
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;34386032][img]http://www.defpro.com/data/gfx/news/c3ac331eec8d644db67b3422e8347ea35ffcf7b9_big.jpg[/img] Looks similar to [b]Turkish[/b] and French vehicles.[/QUOTE] Fixed.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;34386388]Kinda makes you wonder how much longer the Abrams has left in its service life, and what the next MBT will be...[/QUOTE] I'm hoping for a Leopard looking tank. That thing is badass. [img]http://www.fprado.com/armorsite/Leo2_Pics/Leopard2A6E-01.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Swilly;34386760]I'm hoping for a Leopard looking tank. That thing is badass. [/QUOTE] Why not the actual Leopard 2? I have heard quite a lot of people (including military officials) say that the Swedish modified Leopard 2 is the best MBT in the world [editline]25th January 2012[/editline] Also, from the picture in the article the vehicles look more like this: [t]http://img.blog.yahoo.co.kr/ybi/1/24/56/shinecommerce/folder/8/img_8_20608_1?1224507838.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=Maximum Mod;34387426]Why not the actual Leopard 2? I have heard quite a lot of people (including military officials) say that the Swedish modified Leopard 2 is the best MBT in the world [editline]25th January 2012[/editline] Also, from the picture in the article the vehicles look more like this: [t]http://img.blog.yahoo.co.kr/ybi/1/24/56/shinecommerce/folder/8/img_8_20608_1?1224507838.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] Now that is a smart vehicle. The gunner never has to expose himself to shoot back. Why don't we have more things like this
[QUOTE=Van-man;34384475]they're not ordinary car or truck tyres.[/QUOTE] They do have kevelar in them, (As do the current tires for our HMMWV's) but they will not, at all, keep a bullet from penetrating. A round will cause them to go flat, they will not survive an IED, but they should be tough enough to at the very least keep rolling unless the thing is ripped completely off
[QUOTE=Kill Me No;34387784]Now that is a smart vehicle. The gunner never has to expose himself to shoot back. Why don't we have more things like this[/QUOTE] Because unfortunately systems like that cost money, more money than people are willing to spend.
fuck it, just glue bulletproof vests on a Smart car. RIP Humvee.
[QUOTE=Maximum Mod;34387426]Why not the actual Leopard 2? I have heard quite a lot of people (including military officials) say that the Swedish modified Leopard 2 is the best MBT in the world [editline]25th January 2012[/editline] Also, from the picture in the article the vehicles look more like this: [t]http://img.blog.yahoo.co.kr/ybi/1/24/56/shinecommerce/folder/8/img_8_20608_1?1224507838.jpg[/t][/QUOTE] popemobile without glass + weapon.
Woohoo, surplus Humvees!
the concepts and prototypes are neat [IMG]http://armystrongstories.com/blog-assets/chris-lecron/images/JLTV.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.marcorsyscom.usmc.mil/peolandsystems/images/ProgramImages/mpc%20pic%201-1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.usaasc.info/alt_online/images/090905_photo2.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/north_america/united_states/wheeled_armoured/jltv_lockheed_martin/pictures2/JLTV_Lockheed_Martin_Joint_Light_Tactical_Vehicle_United_States_012.jpg[/IMG]
I wonder if this means civilians will get their own version like what happened with humvees
[QUOTE=Kill Me No;34387784]Now that is a smart vehicle. The gunner never has to expose himself to shoot back. Why don't we have more things like this[/QUOTE] What. That gun turret technology have been out for quite a long time
[QUOTE=pointyface;34388326]I wonder if this means civilians will get their own version like what happened with humvees[/QUOTE] Would be probably even more impractical than the civilian humvees already are unless you're really into overcompensating or live in the middle of the amazonian jungle.
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