Obama Condemns Violence in the Name of Religion; Bible Thumpers Blow a Gasket
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[quote=Huffington Post]In his comments at the National Prayer Breakfast on Thursday, President Obama condemned violence in the name of religion and pointed to religious groups other than the Islamic State that have perpetrated acts of terror in human history.
"Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place," the president said, "remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ. In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ.”
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The president's comments angered some who felt that comparing the atrocities of the Islamic State to other acts of violence was out of line. The Catholic League's Bill Donohue called it "an attempt to deflect guilt from Muslim madmen," and argued that Christian crusaders were merely defending themselves against hostile Muslim neighbors.
Some expressed their anger on Twitter, seeming to defend the Crusades when pitted against the Islamic State. Conservative commentator Michelle Malkin wrote: "ISIS chops off heads, incinerates hostages, kills gays, enslaves girls. Obama: Blame the Crusades."[/quote]
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/05/obama-crusades-christ-_n_6623962.html]Source[/url]
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[quote=Washington Post]Some Republicans were outraged. “The president’s comments this morning at the prayer breakfast are the most offensive I’ve ever heard a president make in my lifetime,” said former Virginia governor Jim Gilmore (R). “He has offended every believing Christian in the United States. This goes further to the point that Mr. Obama does not believe in America or the values we all share.”[/quote]
[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obamas-speech-at-prayer-breakfast-called-offensive-to-christians/2015/02/05/6a15a240-ad50-11e4-ad71-7b9eba0f87d6_story.html?tid=sm_fb]Source[/url]
[editline]6th February 2015[/editline]
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Apparently, there's some sort of crusader's diary in existence that frequently mentions how they slaughtered jews inside their own temples so that they could loot their stuff.
They also thought that Muslims were polytheists or something.
[quote]Some Republicans were outraged. “The president’s comments this morning at the prayer breakfast are the most offensive I’ve ever heard a president make in my lifetime,” said former Virginia governor Jim Gilmore (R). “He has offended every believing Christian in the United States. This goes further to the point that Mr. Obama does not believe in America or the values we all share.”[/quote]
Values like freedom of religion, or freedom of speech.
So he's targeting the crusades and slavery due to christians. The Crusades were just (ergo some crimes), they were in response to Islamic hordes destroying spain and southern europe. Putting everyone who would not convert to islam or pay their religious tax to the sword.
ISIS is no different now to Islam back then.
I'm scared how much influence religion still has on people's opinions in the US.
Being Christian isn't an American value
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;47086546]So he's targeting the crusades and slavery due to christians. The [B]Crusades were just [/B](ergo [B]some crimes[/B]), they were in response to Islamic hordes destroying spain and southern europe. Putting everyone who would not convert to islam or pay their religious tax to the sword.
ISIS is no different now to Islam back then.[/QUOTE]
you mean like the 4th crusade which sacked constantinople, the siege of antioch in the 1st crusade which the crusaders killed EVERY muslim in town(and were so eager they actually killed some christians because they confused them with muslims), or the siege of ma'arra, also in the 1st in which not only the crusaders killed the muslim population, but they also ate the bodies of dead muslims.
"some crimes" :v:
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;47086546]they were in response to Islamic hordes destroying spain and southern europe. Putting everyone who would not convert to islam or pay their religious tax to the sword.[/QUOTE]
The first crusade was called 400 years after the Muslims were stopped by Charles Martel. Guess news didn't travel fast back then.
[QUOTE=Wizards Court;47086610]...but they also ate the bodies of dead muslims.[/QUOTE]
That doesn't sound halal.
-snip- after watching the entire video it seems like it was less about Christians and more about religion in general
the article didn't really do it justice, a little sensationalism
should stick to current events rather than dwell on the past though
[QUOTE=spiritlol;47086656]That doesn't sound halal.[/QUOTE]
Funnily enough, humans don't seem to be on the list of haram animals.
It's a tricky statement. Abhoring these Fundamentalists means everyone can carry on with a blanket-hatred and fear of Islam, not mentioning it is bad but saying "Any religious fundamentalist is someone the whole world can do without" is seen as sympathizing.
Being the President of the US must suck.
Religion shouldn't be about violence anyways
if you use your religion as an excuse for violence, you're just looking for ways to excuse being a shitty person.
Saw people bitching about this on Facebook and I wanted to reach through the screen and throttle them for being stupid.
Which is a bit hypocritical, killing someone for their religious based beliefs, but these people deserve it.
Oh man. What kind of twisted 21st century bigot am I?
[QUOTE=Marden;47086548]I'm scared how much influence religion still has on people's opinions in the US.[/QUOTE]
I'm just glad the majority of Christians in my state aren't like this, but a friend is hard-pressed that we're pretty violent. Can't say she's wrong though.
[QUOTE=V12US;47086688]Funnily enough, humans don't seem to be on the list of haram animals.[/QUOTE]
According to the Quran, specifically verses 2:173 and 16:115 there is sanction for eating forbidden meat, such as pork (and human beings) out of necessity, but forbids wilful disobedience (alternatives available, but cannibalism/eating of pork still done).
Note that this primarily also (as far as cannibalism goes) only sanctions the killing of an enemy combatant on the battlefield, or an adulterer, and the subsequent eating of their bodies, subject to the conditions previously laid on.
Cannibalism is otherwise forbidden to all Muslims.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;47086839]According to the Quran, specifically verses 2:173 and 16:115 there is sanction for eating forbidden meat, such as pork (and human beings) out of necessity, but forbids wilful disobedience (alternatives available, but cannibalism/eating of pork still done).
Note that this primarily also (as far as cannibalism goes) only sanctions the killing of an enemy combatant on the battlefield, or an adulterer, and the subsequent eating of their bodies, subject to the conditions previously laid on.
Cannibalism is otherwise forbidden to all Muslims.[/QUOTE]
Is cannibalism forbidden in the Bible?
[QUOTE=Phil5991;47086523]Apparently, there's some sort of crusader's diary in existence that frequently mentions how they slaughtered jews inside their own temples so that they could loot their stuff.
They also thought that Muslims were polytheists or something.[/QUOTE]
I'd love to read this. Know where to find it, perhaps?
[QUOTE=Alxnotorious;47086849]Is cannibalism forbidden in the Bible?[/QUOTE]
It doesn't specifically mention this, but it's probably safe to say that God frowned on cannibalism as such; he lists it as one of the things you'd undergo as punishment for committing sins in Leviticus, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.
It's a pretty stupid comparison to make. Yeah, some terrible things were done in the name of Christianity. But it was the dark ages. There is absolutely no reason for the same thing to be allowed in the 21st century.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;47086851]I'd love to read this. Know where to find it, perhaps?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/crusades.htm[/url]
I did some searching and found this, will it do?
It's always hilarious when Republicans like Jim Gilmore get really butthurt at what Obama says, usually throwing buzzword phrases like "going against American values". People like that are the quintessence of hypocrisy. They really have no part in current American society, and they only appeal to niche groups of people who are stuck in the 50s.
[QUOTE=J!NX;47086751]Religion shouldn't be about violence anyways
if you use your religion as an excuse for violence, you're just looking for ways to excuse being a shitty person.[/QUOTE]
An excuse would mean that these people know what they're doing are shitty and I doubt those who truly believe in their twisted ideologies think they are shitty
[QUOTE=Matrix374;47086975]An excuse would mean that these people know what they're doing are shitty and I doubt those who truly believe in their twisted ideologies think they are shitty[/QUOTE]
oh
well you did get me there :v:
[QUOTE=darunner;47086917]It's a pretty stupid comparison to make. Yeah, some terrible things were done in the name of Christianity. But it was the dark ages. There is absolutely no reason for the same thing to be allowed in the 21st century.[/QUOTE]
He's not comparing in an effort to excuse IS, thats the misconception that bible thumpers are mad about. He's comparing to try to drive home the point "It's not Islam's fault guys, any religion can do this shit"
What Obama said was perfectly reasonable. Just because they happened hundreds of years ago does not make any difference - they were still people (Who never change throughout history) who believed in exactly the same religion we do today. It was a low point in our history, just as ISIS is now for Syria/Iraq.
Can't Obama say one fucking word without being Twitter raped.
[QUOTE=BloodRayne;47086546]So he's targeting the crusades and slavery due to christians. The Crusades were just (ergo some crimes), they were in response to Islamic hordes destroying spain and southern europe. Putting everyone who would not convert to islam or pay their religious tax to the sword.
ISIS is no different now to Islam back then.[/QUOTE]
This is a very uninformed post and I hope you people know what to think of this guy, I would get banned if I spelled it out.
[QUOTE=Recurracy;47086851]I'd love to read this. Know where to find it, perhaps?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesta_Francorum[/url]
First external link is a list of extracts.
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