Putin Critic Navalny Detained; Brother Sentenced to 3.5 Years in Prison
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[QUOTE=Bloomberg]Russian authorities arrested opposition leader Alexey Navalny for violating his house arrest to join an anti-government
protest after a court found him guilty in a fraud and money-laundering case.
Navalny condemned the trial as a government attempt to silence criticism and left his house to join thousands of people
who signed up for a protest at Moscow’s Manezh square, near the Kremlin. Earlier, the court handed him a suspended
sentence and condemned his brother to 3 1/2 years in prison.
"The fact that they’ve detained me means just one thing, that there will be one less person for them to arrest,” Navalny
posted on his Twitter account. “I didn’t make it to Manezh, but it doesn’t mean that you can’t. They can’t detain all of us.”
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[URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-30/putin-rival-navalny-given-suspended-sentence-as-protest-planned.html"]Source: Bloomberg[/URL]
[URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30635874"]Additional Source: BBC[/URL]
[QUOTE=The Guardian]The sentencing had originally been scheduled for 15 January, but was abruptly brought forward to the day before New Year’s Eve,
the main Russian holiday, in an apparent attempt to prevent large scale anti-Putin demonstrations. On Tuesday, riot police and
military vehicles flooded Moscow’s Manezh Square in anticipation of a major protest later in the day directly outside the Kremlin.
The authorities have not given permission for the rally so it is considered illegal.
“Of all the possible types of sentence, this is the meanest,” said Alexei Navalny outside court after his brother was taken away.
“The government isn’t just trying to jail its political opponents – we’re used to it, we’re aware that they’re doing it – but this time
they’re destroying and torturing the families of the people who oppose them,” he said, calling for a protest on Tuesday evening.
Writing [URL="https://navalny.com/p/4050/"]on his blog,[/URL] Navalny said his brother’s sentence would not stop him from political activity. He lambasted those at the top
of Kremlin power as “thieves, scoundrels and traitors who must be destroyed”. He also said ordinary Russians were guilty of allowing
the political elite to plunder the country. “We let them through our passivity,” he wrote.
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[URL="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/30/alexei-navalny-sentenced-thousands-expected-protest-putin"]Source: The Guardian[/URL]
Really want to hear the Russian apologists stick up for their Tsar after shit like this.
Whats with russia and despotic dictators
hi.
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[QUOTE=Sprockethead;46822022]Whats with russia and despotic dictators[/QUOTE]
Russia can't stay together without a strong ruler.
Gorbachev and Yeltsin tried to make it more democratic and capitalistic, and because of that Russia was inches away from collapse
[QUOTE=Swineflu;46822074]Russia can't stay together without a strong ruler.
Gorbachev and Yeltsin tried to make it more democratic and capitalistic, and because of that Russia was inches away from collapse[/QUOTE]
Yeah it certainly had everything to do with us being barbarians rather than with the fact that failing Soviet economy was just barely supporting itself, much less could support a transition from command economy to a more open market-based system. Oil prices, money-sinks aka Warsaw pact and Afghan war, Chernobyl and stuff like that were just coincidentally there.
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;46821987]Really want to hear the Russian apologists stick up for their Tsar after shit like this.[/QUOTE]
'terrorist sympathizer'
[QUOTE=ThisIsTheOne;46822072]hi.[/QUOTE]
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Do you not learn?
[QUOTE=Da Big Man;46821987]Really want to hear the Russian apologists stick up for their Tsar after shit like this.[/QUOTE]
This was such a nececary and informative comment.
Thank you, the thread would not have been complete without it.
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46822447]This was such a nececary and informative comment.
Thank you, the thread would not have been complete without it.[/QUOTE]
Found the apologist
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;46822447]This was such a nececary and informative comment.
Thank you, the thread would not have been complete without it.[/QUOTE]
I found the tsarists sympathizer.
Yeah, because fuck Navalny's shady history, and the fact that he decided to go for a walk after mere hours he was forbidden to leave his house (second time, actually). He critique Putin, so he is good, of course!
To clarify - I have my reasons to not like Putin, especially after last month. But people like Navalny are not better, if not worse than him.
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;46822513]Yeah, because fuck Navalny's shady history,[B] and the fact that he decided to go for a walk after mere hours he was forbidden to leave his house[/B] (second time, actually). He critique Putin, so he is good, of course!
To clarify - I have my reasons to not like Putin, especially after last month. But people like Navalny are not better, if not worse than him.[/QUOTE]
is this like house arrest? except instead of drinking and driving you just mock the leader?
nevermind the fact that his fucking brother was detained too, sounds an awful like something else i know.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46822529]is this like house arrest? except instead of drinking and driving you just mock the leader?[/QUOTE]
Yep, but more serious. With surveillance devices on him and police watching. That serves as precaution, if he will violate it - his persecution could be legally changed to more serious one.
[QUOTE=DoktorAkcel;46822556]Yep, but more serious. With surveillance devices on him and police watching. That serves as precaution, if he will violate it - his persecution could be legally changed to more serious one.[/QUOTE]
all because he protests against the government, do you not see how fucked that is?
here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge[/url]
[QUOTE]The Great Purge was a campaign of political repression in the Soviet Union that was orchestrated by Joseph Stalin and occurred from 1934 to 1940. It involved a large-scale purge of the Communist Party and government officials, repression of peasants and the Red Army leadership, and widespread police surveillance, suspicion of "saboteurs", imprisonment, and arbitrary executions. In Russian historiography, the period of the most intense purge, 1937–1938, is called Yezhovshchina (Russian: Ежовщина; literally, Yezhovism), after Nikolai Yezhov, the head of the Soviet secret police, NKVD.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46822576]all because he protests against the government, do you not see how fucked that is?
here: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge[/url][/QUOTE]
He wasnt arrested for protesting the government
he was (ostensibly) arrested for fraud, and was under house arrest in connection with that trial
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46822599]He wasnt arrested for protesting the government
he was (ostensibly) arrested for fraud, and was under house arrest in connection for that trial[/QUOTE]
Still have massive police surveillance and silencing of any kind of protesting period against the government.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;46822607]Still have massive police surveillance and silencing of any kind of protesting period against the government.[/QUOTE]
that's as may be, but that doesnt mean you can go around saying that "HE WAS ARRESTED FOR BEING AN OPPOSITION LEADER" like its a fact or something
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46822599]He wasnt arrested for protesting the government
he was (ostensibly) arrested for fraud, and was under house arrest in connection for that trial[/QUOTE]
His trial is completely forged, he and his brother and being jailed solely for being opositioneers.
No one can deny it, even pro-Putin Russians.
[QUOTE=Timebomb575;46822599]He wasnt arrested for protesting the government
he was (ostensibly) arrested for fraud, and was under house arrest in connection with that trial[/QUOTE]
You know framing isn't uncommon in countries like Russia
[QUOTE=gudman;46822113]Yeah it certainly had everything to do with us being barbarians rather than with the fact that failing Soviet economy was just barely supporting itself, much less could support a transition from command economy to a more open market-based system. Oil prices, money-sinks aka Warsaw pact and Afghan war, Chernobyl and stuff like that were just coincidentally there.[/QUOTE]
Point me to a time when Russia had a ruler that wasn't a dictator and Russia was doing well, then those details will matter.
If there isn't a strong hand to keep Russia together, it will break up. The eastern territories certainly don't like Moscow.
[QUOTE=Swineflu;46824466]Point me to a time when Russia had a ruler that wasn't a dictator and Russia was doing well, then those details will matter.
If there isn't a strong hand to keep Russia together, it will break up. The eastern territories certainly don't like Moscow.[/QUOTE]
Russia had precisely two leaders who weren't dictators or tzars. And it was a time of economic disaster. And under their rule the disaster was minimized. I'd say it was pretty successful given the circumstances. The important thing is that you are implying that the disaster happened [b]because[/b] of two 'rulers that weren't dictators', which is not true at all, neither Gorbachev not Yeltsin had anything to do with it. First one found himself being a president of a country that had no money (thanks to successful leadership of dictators!) and was literally falling apart, with a military alliance that was falling apart too. Yeltsin was dealing with the results.
The country still exists because of their efforts. Putin's early economic rise was possible because of a working economy that Yeltsin's team left after them. I don't know what you think is successful (territorial expansion?), but in my opinion they both did pretty good with what was on their hands.
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