Sanders: My emails would be just as harsh about Clinton
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Sen. [URL="http://thehill.com/people/bernie-sanders"]Bernie Sanders[/URL] (I-Vt.) says he isn't bothered by harsh criticism contained in emails stolen from former presidential rival [URL="http://thehill.com/people/hillary-clinton"]Hillary Clinton[/URL]’s campaign.
Despite apparently stolen messages in which Clinton advisers [URL="https://origin-nyi.thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/301820-podesta-doesnt-deny-calling-sanders-a-doofus-in-hacked-email"]call him a “doofus,”[/URL] among other dismissive remarks, Sanders is shrugging it off.
“Trust me, if they went into our emails — I suppose which may happen, who knows — I’m sure there would be statements that would be less than flattering about, you know, the Clinton staff,” Sanders [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/24/bernie-sanders-if-his-staffs-email-were-hacked-thered-surely-be-some-unkind-things-about-clinton/"]told The Washington Post[/URL] in an interview published Monday.
“That’s what happens in campaigns.”
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In some cases, he has appeared to appeal to supporters of Sanders by criticizing the Democratic National Committee’s treatment of the Vermont senator. In one case, emails appear to show Clinton’s camp [URL="http://thehill.com/media/300427-emails-donna-brazile-gave-town-hall-questions-to-clinton-camp-in-advance"]receiving a question from a senior DNC official[/URL] in advance of a Democratic primary town hall event.
“Was I shocked to find out that the DNC was partial toward Clinton? Not exactly,” Sanders said. “That’s something we knew from day one.”
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[URL="http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/302490-sanders-my-emails-would-be-just-as-bad-about-clinton"]
The Hill article[/URL].
Glad to see Sanders as one of the few, if any, politicians who doesn't succumb to the pissing match or insults thrown in his direction.
Probably true (regardless of his political motivations right now)
[QUOTE=LoneWolf_Recon;51253697]Glad to see Sanders as one of the few, if any, politicians who doesn't succumb to the pissing match or insults thrown in his direction.[/QUOTE]
As much as I love Bernie, now that he's campaigning hard for Hillary (despite his earlier assurances that he would never tell his followers how to vote) I find it very hard to trust much of what he says regarding Clinton. He's brushing it off because he doesn't want to further inflame the animosity that already exists between his supporters and Hillary's, regardless of whether or not it's how he personally feels.
[QUOTE=catbarf;51253713]As much as I love Bernie, now that he's campaigning hard for Hillary (despite his earlier assurances that he would never tell his followers how to vote) I find it very hard to trust much of what he says regarding Clinton. He's brushing it off because he doesn't want to further inflame the animosity that already exists between his supporters and Hillary's, regardless of whether or not it's how he personally feels.[/QUOTE]
Overwhelming majority of Bernie supporters had decided to vote for Clinton, although they will make sure to pressure Clinton to push for Bernie's policies that she implemented for his endorsement.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51253732]He should have never dropped out.
Had he known just how much both candidates are willing to shove sticks in their own wheels every chance they get, he could have easily taken advantage of the growing trend of "this whole election is one big mess" and the "both candidates are retarded" demographic with a solid, accurate and relentless campaign that would surely - in time, get him in the same ballpark as Hillary at least.[/QUOTE]
No, because he would split the vote and hand the election to Trump
I may not like Bernie but he isn't an idiot
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51253732]He should have never dropped out.
Had he known just how much both candidates are willing to shove sticks in their own wheels every chance they get, he could have easily taken advantage of the growing trend of "this whole election is one big mess" and the "both candidates are retarded" demographic with a solid, accurate and relentless campaign that would surely - in time, get him in the same ballpark as Hillary at least.[/QUOTE]
nah, better that he wins this for the democrats and works within the party than to divide it
trump did more or less what you suggested in the republicans and the result is a broken party
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51253794]Not really, the final nail in Trump's coffin and chance of winning the election ended with grab her by the pussy. His consecutive chain of dumb decisions and non-policies would have never been able to compete with Bernie's campaign, had he actually went in the right direction with it, because in a battle of charisma with Trump he would surely lose.
It was merely a matter of changing his public image, and to be able to find a way to appeal to younger generations.[/QUOTE]
I think you underestimate the power that being a household name like Clinton holds with the average voter, plus the detriment that being a socialist sadly has when it comes to garnering a vote from the American electorate. If it were Bernie Vs. Trump, Bernie could've won. But in a three way race, the left wing ticket would DEFINITELY be split, and Trump would have a much better chance.
i'm pretty alright with bernie not getting the nomination really. now he can possibly become the senate majority leader depending on the outcome of this election. that's where the actual power is.
go out and vote people
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51253794]Not really, the final nail in Trump's coffin and chance of winning the election ended with grab her by the pussy. His consecutive chain of dumb decisions and non-policies would have never been able to compete with Bernie's campaign, had he actually went in the right direction with it, because in a battle of charisma with Trump he would surely lose.
It was merely a matter of changing his public image, and to be able to find a way to appeal to younger generations.[/QUOTE]
You are assuming that every Clinton voter would have voted Bernie, which is preposterous. We can't say what exactly would happen but it would have almost definitely resulted in a split vote between the two.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51253924]You are assuming that every Clinton voter would have voted Bernie, which is preposterous. We can't say what exactly would happen but it would have almost definitely resulted in a split vote between the two.[/QUOTE]
most people that vote Hillary now would vote Bernie if he was the democrat nominee, that is undeniable...
I think by now, Bernie would have been doing far better then Hillary, if not just for the scandals surrounding her and the likeability bernie has.
Lets not forget that Bernie's popularity rose spectacularly compared to Hillaries, and the only reason Hillary won the primary is because she started off with a massive name recognition advantage that Bernie's rise was not able to catch up to if only by a couple points.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51253983]most people that vote Hillary now would vote Bernie if he was the democrat nominee, that is undeniable...
I think by now, Bernie would have been doing far better then Hillary, if not just for the scandals surrounding her and the likeability bernie has.
Lets not forget that Bernie's popularity rose spectacularly compared to Hillaries, and the only reason Hillary won the primary is because she started off with a massive name recognition advantage that Bernie's rise was not able to catch up to if only by a couple points.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Bernie was leading in first stages of the primaries. But then Clinton started to catch up and started to grow her lead against him as primaries progressed.
Bernie still performed way better then did most expected, yet he still lost Hillary with 12 points difference. Which was a landslide victory for Hillary.
But in the end, Bernie won strategically. He is not a presidential candidate, but his policies are Clinton's policies for the most part.
[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51253983]most people that vote Hillary now would vote Bernie if he was the democrat nominee, that is undeniable...
I think by now, Bernie would have been doing far better then Hillary, if not just for the scandals surrounding her and the likeability bernie has.
Lets not forget that Bernie's popularity rose spectacularly compared to Hillaries, and the only reason Hillary won the primary is because she started off with a massive name recognition advantage that Bernie's rise was not able to catch up to if only by a couple points.[/QUOTE]
If Sanders was the only choice sure but I was assuming "Sanders shouldn't have dropped out" meant him running independent of the Democrats keeping Clinton since she won her parties nomination. Your assertion that "most" would vote Bernie as the independent option is purely speculation and what matters is if it would be enough to balance out Clinton's current lead where she faces no real challenger from the left. Sanders wouldn't need "most" of Clinton's support; he would need about 90%, and you are delusional if you think that would happen.
[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;51253740]No, because he would split the vote and hand the election to Trump
I may not like Bernie but he isn't an idiot[/QUOTE]
Actually even worse, it'd probably hand the election to congress. Since trump probably wouldn't be able to get 270 in that case.
So we'd get a run of the mill republican
[QUOTE=Marbalo;51253794]Not really, the final nail in Trump's coffin and chance of winning the election ended with grab her by the pussy. His consecutive chain of dumb decisions and non-policies would have never been able to compete with Bernie's campaign, had he actually went in the right direction with it, because in a battle of charisma with Trump he would surely lose.
It was merely a matter of changing his public image, and to be able to find a way to appeal to younger generations.[/QUOTE]
"grab them by the pussy" is far from the final nail, I fear. There are people that are voting for Trump purely because they don't want Hillary in office, believe it or not.
Even my grandmother and great-aunt, who swore they wouldn't vote this year because "they're both terrible", voted for Trump purely because they [I]hate[/I] Hillary. They hate her history, they hate her scandals, they hate her [I]voice[/I] (according to my great-aunt, during the third debate my grandmother was constantly telling Hillary to shut her lying mouth, called her a bitch, etc.). This was grandma's first time voting. I haven't seen that much animosity towards any single person since the likes of Saddam, Osama, etc. became house-hold names after 9/11.
Then again, almost every time I go over to visit she's got Fox News on for "background noise", yet she seems to believe damn-near everything they say regarding anyone that isn't GOP/Conservative, which is sad.
[QUOTE=catbarf;51253713]As much as I love Bernie, now that he's campaigning hard for Hillary (despite his earlier assurances that he would never tell his followers how to vote) I find it very hard to trust much of what he says regarding Clinton. He's brushing it off because he doesn't want to further inflame the animosity that already exists between his supporters and Hillary's, regardless of whether or not it's how he personally feels.[/QUOTE]
Honestly and personally, I don't think campaigning for Hillary and telling people how to vote are the same thing. One means convincing people that Hillary is the better option, and the other is directly telling people "vote for this person."
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51254031]Actually even worse, it'd probably hand the election to congress. Since trump probably wouldn't be able to get 270 in that case.
So we'd get a run of the mill republican[/QUOTE]
If no candidate gets the minimum number of votes required, then voting goes to the House of Representatives. They only get to pick from the running candidates, which afaik are Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, and Evan McMullin.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51253838]i'm pretty alright with bernie not getting the nomination really. now he can possibly become the senate majority leader depending on the outcome of this election. that's where the actual power is.
go out and vote people[/QUOTE]
this is an important point. if you want bernie to have further sway in this country, go out there and vote and make sure we get a democratic senate.
Bernie lost the battle but won the war.
Clinton was forced to adopt his progressive platform to appease his horde of voters and if she tries anything funny he can sick them on her and the Clinton dems in Congress if he wanted, especially if he also gains power and become Speaker of the House.
He knows that when he is gone he has inspired the next generation of progressives to take charge and fight corporate lobbying.
[QUOTE=LtKyle2;51254206]Clinton was forced to adopt his progressive platform to appease his horde of voters and if she tries anything funny he can sick them on her and the Clinton dems in Congress if he wanted[/quote]
Psh sick them on her? They couldn't even budge the tall fence built to keep them out at the DNC. :v:
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51254184]If no candidate gets the minimum number of votes required, then voting goes to the House of Representatives. They only get to pick from the running candidates, which afaik are Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, and Evan McMullin.[/QUOTE]
They get to pick from the three candidates with the most electoral votes, according to the 12th Amendment
[quote]The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Tudd;51254216]Psh sick them on her? They couldn't even budge the tall fence built to keep them out at the DNC. :v:[/QUOTE]
The fence wasn't placed to keep Sanders supporters out of the DNC, it was a general security measure
[QUOTE=Tudd;51254216]Psh sick them on her? They couldn't even budge the tall fence built to keep them out at the DNC. :v:[/QUOTE]
Maybe they should've got tickets like every single other person if they wanted to go.
There's plenty of former Trump supporters alienated by him currently, but who also would absolutely hate to vote Hillary. Sanders still being in would take votes from both of them, but impossible to know how much exactly.
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51253838]i'm pretty alright with bernie not getting the nomination really. now he can possibly become the senate majority leader depending on the outcome of this election. that's where the actual power is.
go out and vote people[/QUOTE]
I hope this is true hnng
[QUOTE=God of Ashes;51253838]i'm pretty alright with bernie not getting the nomination really. now he can possibly become the senate majority leader depending on the outcome of this election. that's where the actual power is.
go out and vote people[/QUOTE]
Chuck Schumer will be the majority leader.
Bernie might get some choice committee appointments though
Bernie has a decent chance of becoming the chairman of the budget committee if the Senate flips. He won't be majority leader.
[QUOTE=Sergeant Turtle;51256094]Chuck Schumer will be the majority leader.
Bernie might get some choice committee appointments though[/QUOTE]
Actually, since the position is decided on seniority, it'll go to Bernie.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;51253777]nah, better that he wins this for the democrats and works within the party than to divide it
trump did more or less what you suggested in the republicans and the result is a broken party[/QUOTE]
Division within a divided political system only creates an even further divided country
The reason that made me decide I'd support Hillary is Bernie supporting Hilary.
the Sub-Dividing of the democrats similar to whats happening to the republicans would have massively fucked them over. It's already hurting the US enough that we have such a divided party system atm.
[QUOTE=Paramud;51256289]Actually, since the position is decided on seniority, it'll go to Bernie.[/QUOTE]
But isn't he independent?
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