Israel begins expulsion of Palestinian 'Infiltrators'
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[quote=BBC][b]A Palestinian prisoner has blamed a controversial new Israeli military order on deportations for his release to Gaza, not the West Bank.[/b]
Ahmad Sabah, 40, freed on Wednesday, has a Gaza ID card, but lived in the West Bank when arrested in 2001.
The Israeli military said in a statement that his release to the Gaza Strip was standard procedure.
[b]The order widens the definition under which Palestinians can be deported as suspected "infiltrators".[/b]
Palestinians fear a wave of expulsions, but Israel says the order allows better judicial review and affects few people.
When the order was brought in last week, Palestinians and human rights groups feared Israel was planning a new clampdown on Palestinians living in the West Bank but holding Gaza identity cards.
Israel considers those with Gaza cards, who do not have a military permit to stay in the West Bank, to be illegally present and liable to deportation if they are discovered, [b]although under the 1993 Oslo Accords the West Bank and Gaza are considered a single entity.[/b]
"Infiltrator - a person who entered the area unlawfully following the effective date, or a person who is present in the area and does not lawfully hold a permit"
New IDF orders
[b]There is confusion over how many Palestinians with Gaza ID cards are living in the West Bank - Palestinian officials says it is tens of thousands, but Israeli authorities say the numbers are small.[/b]
Mr Sabah, who was freed after finishing his prison sentence, told BBC Arabic that he had been [b]expecting be released to the West Bank, where family members were waiting, but was instead sent to Gaza.[/b]
When he questioned the decision, he said, he was told "this is because of the recent military order".
In a statement the Israeli military said that Mr Sabah's release to Gaza was entirely standard procedure because the strip was his registered place of residence.
The statement went on: "The destination of his release was brought to his attention and he expressed no objection to the decision, nor did he note that he has family in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] or express any desire to be released to Judea and Samaria."
Larger wave
The wording of the military order in question, known as the Order Regarding Prevention of Infiltration, has been amended from when it was originally drawn up in 1969.
There have been demonstrations against the new orders
The definition of "infiltrator" was then: "A person who entered the area knowingly and unlawfully after having been present in the east bank of the Jordan, Syria, Egypt or Lebanon following the effective date (of the order being given)."
Under the new order this is to be changed to: "Infiltrator - a person who entered the area unlawfully following the effective date, or a person who is present in the area and does not lawfully hold a permit."
[b]It allows Israel to deport suspected "infiltrators" within 72 hours or imprison them for up to seven years, they can also be fined to pay the cost of their deportation.[/b]
Israel says the purpose of the change in rules was to update them to grant suspected infiltrators the right to a hearing before a military judicial panel within eight days of the issuing of the deportation order.
Israeli military sources said it only applied to people not registered with the Palestinian population registry - which is overseen by Israel - and those numbers were small.
But Palestinians and Israeli human rights groups fear it could pave the way for a much larger wave of expulsions in the future.
[b]"The orders are worded so broadly such as theoretically allowing the military to empty the West Bank of almost all its Palestinian inhabitants," a letter written by human rights organisation HaMoked and signed by 10 other groups to Defence Minister Ehud Barak said.[/b][/quote]
Source: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8637986.stm[/url]
They basically forced this man into the worlds largest ghetto, which has no housing or infrastructure, 40% unemployment, and no way to leave.
Replace the words Palestinian with 'Jew' and Gaza with the 'Warsaw Ghetto' and you've got something that sounds awfully familiar in history books.
Even an idiot would know that the pretext of this order is just to empty the Palestinian West Bank.
[quote][B]"The orders are worded so broadly such as theoretically allowing the military to empty the West Bank of almost all its Palestinian inhabitants," a letter written by human rights organisation HaMoked and signed by 10 other groups to Defence Minister Ehud Barak said.[/quote][/B]
[QUOTE]"In a statement the Israeli military said that Mr Sabah's release to Gaza was entirely standard procedure because the strip was his registered place of residence.
The statement went on: "The destination of his release was brought to his attention and he expressed no objection to the decision, nor did he note that he has family in Judea and Samaria [the West Bank] or express any desire to be released to Judea and Samaria.""
"Israel says the purpose of the change in rules was to update them to grant suspected infiltrators the right to a hearing before a military judicial panel within eight days of the issuing of the deportation order."
"Israeli military sources said it only applied to people not registered with the Palestinian population registry - which is overseen by Israel - and those numbers were small."[/QUOTE]
They can only empty the West Bank if it's population isn't registered with the Palestinian population registry, which doesn't sound reasonable.
And why didn't he say that he lives in the West Bank? As far as Israel knew he was a resident of Gaza.
hey Israel, fuck you.
I wonder what the process for getting different ID cards is. If it's just a small clerical thing like changing your address, what's the problem? If it's more militarized and harder to change, then it's a dick move enforcing it like that.
Really though, the whole Gaza/West bank thing is a bit stupid. As long as they are registered, it shouldn't matter.
I doubt if he had asked to be moved to the West Bank instead of Gaza they wouldn't have let him, especially if he had said he has family there.
One of the points is that Israel should not have the authority to decide where Palestinians should live, since the West Bank, and Gaza are suppose to be recognised as one entity in law, regardless which faction is in control of what district.
You can't keep moving West Bank (mostly Fatah) civilians into Gaza. Not only will you ruin their lives in that shit hole, they run a risk of being murdered by Hamas.
The problem is that they're divided, so if someone is in Israel and shouldn't be there, Israel can only move him to one out of the West Bank and Gaza, not both, and also Israel doesn't allow people to move from one to the other so easily, since they could ask to do this but instead stay in Israel and do illegal stuff that could risk it's security.
BTW starpluck I've posted my response to your argument which claims Israel has committed war crimes in the Gaza war, it's in my last post at the Israel - Palestine thread.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21522250]The problem is that they're divided, so if someone is in Israel and shouldn't be there, Israel can only move him to one out of the West Bank and Gaza, not both, and also Israel doesn't allow people to move from one to the other so easily, since they could ask to do this but instead stay in Israel and do illegal stuff that could risk it's security.
BTW starpluck I've posted my response to your argument which claims Israel has committed war crimes in the Gaza war, it's in my last post at the Israel - Palestine thread.[/QUOTE]
So all the Palestinians care about is bombing shit, at least according to you?
I never said that, but saying all Palestinians don't want to bomb shit will also be wrong.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21525192]I never said that, but saying all Palestinians don't want to bomb shit will also be wrong.[/QUOTE]
but no one is saying that. They're saying that, even though some palestinians are attacking Israel, this is not justified.
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I have here in my hand a list of 205—a list of names that were made known to the Israeli Government as being members of the Hamas Party
Well it's not illegal or something to prevent people from a certain area or country to not enter your country, every country has the right to block access to it's territories from anyone not a citizen of said country.
It's war. Shit happens.
From a logical perspective, Israel's doing great.
It's not war you dolt
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21541015]Well it's not illegal or something to prevent people from a certain area or country to not enter your country, every country has the right to block access to it's territories from anyone not a citizen of said country.[/QUOTE]
Israel is blocking movement from the Palestinians in their own state. Gaza and West Bank is one entity under law.
You're shitting on that fact.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21541230]It's war. Shit happens.
From a logical perspective, Israel's doing great.[/QUOTE]
it's not a war, and we shouldn't be looking at things from a strictly "logical" perspective, we should be looking at things from a "human rights" perspective
from a "human rights" perspective, this is god damned terrible
jesus christ, you post this dumb "it's a war" argument in every thread about Israel and people always tell you why that's a dumb thing to say, but you ignore them and keep posting it
ignore him sigma, him and all the other zionists have been lobotomized from birth, that's why they think that way.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21541230]It's war. Shit happens.
From a logical perspective, Israel's doing great.[/QUOTE]
This is like Nazis vs Jews, big advanced country beating on the little guy taking their homes.
[QUOTE=Wayword;21542230]This is like Nazis vs Jews, big advanced country beating on the little guy taking their homes.[/QUOTE]
only this time the jews are the big guy
[QUOTE=CivilProtection;21542209]ignore him sigma, him and all the other zionists have been lobotomized from birth, that's why they think that way.[/QUOTE]
it's not that he's a "zionist", there's nothing inherently wrong with Israel. It's the actions of the Israeli government that are in the wrong, not Jewish people in general
no guys this is totally legit because of the holocaust
Hey Israel, fuck you. I don't care about your stupid Zionist movement. Stop being a dick and treat Palestinians equally.
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[QUOTE=T2L_Goose;21542833]no guys this is totally legit because of the holocaust[/QUOTE]
Crocodile tears.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;21541428]
Israel is blocking movement from the Palestinians in their own state. Gaza and West Bank is one entity under law.
You're shitting on that fact.[/QUOTE]
In the past Palestinians could move from Gaza to the West Bank freely, but terrorists exploited this right to stay in Israel and do as they please. We can't just let anyone who wants to enter Israel do it, there are security checks, and the Palestinians can, and do this daily, enter Israel for whatever reason. It's just more strict now than it used to be, just like airports, I mean, would you let anyone from anywhere enter the runway or whatever? Only authorized people who work there can go into this area, and people who buy tickets and get security checked.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;21542104]jesus christ, you post this dumb [B]strawman[/B] argument in every thread about [B]insert x topic here[/B] and people always tell you why that's a dumb thing to say, but you ignore them and keep posting it[/QUOTE]
I think we've discovered Gmod_Fan77's posting formula.
[QUOTE=Wakka;21542841]Hey Israel, fuck you. I don't care about your stupid Zionist movement. Stop being a dick and treat Palestinians equally.
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel[/url]
Done and done.
Israel, the Nerd Nation that has the Big, Dumb Jock; America looking over it.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21542898][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel[/url]
Done and done.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel]
Redrawing of borders-
As part of a tentative two state solution, some Israelis have advocated that Arab-Israelis become citizens of a future Palestinian state. The Israeli political party Yisrael Beiteinu, whose platform includes the[B] [U]redrawing of Israel's borders so that about 500,000 Israeli Arabs would be outside them[/U][/B], won 15 seats in the 2009 Israeli elections; increasing its seats by 4 compared to 2006 Israeli elections. This policy, also known as the Lieberman Plan, has been described as "anti-Arab" by The Guardian.[202]
Knesset-
The Mossawa Center — an advocacy organization for Arabs in Israel — says the [B][U]current Knesset is the most racist Knesset since the establishment of the State of Israel. Their report claims a 75% increase in discriminatory and racist bills submitted to the Knesset in the year 2009.[/U][/B] According to the report, 11 bills deemed "discriminatory and racist" were placed on the legislature's table in 2007, while 12 such bills were initiated in 2008. However, in 2009 a full 21 problematic bills were discussed in the Knesset.[203]
The reports categorizes as racist proposals such as giving academic scholarships to soldiers who served in combat units, and a bill to revoke government funding from organizations acting "against the principles of the State."[203] The Coalition Against Racism and the Mossawa Center, which works to promote equality, claimed that the proposed legislation seeks to de-legitimize Israel's Arab citizens by decreasing their civil rights.[204][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21522250]
BTW starpluck I've posted my response to your argument which claims Israel has committed war crimes in the Gaza war, it's in my last post at the Israel - Palestine thread.[/QUOTE]
I'll check it out later.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21541230]It's war. Shit happens.
From a logical perspective, Israel's doing great.[/QUOTE]
I remeber who you are.
[QUOTE=Gmod_Fan77;21450495]I hate America regardless of the colour of their leader's skin.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;21542898][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel"][COLOR=#810081]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel[/COLOR][/URL]
Done and done.[/QUOTE]
According to your source:
The [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Land_Administration"][COLOR=#002bb8]Israel Land Administration[/COLOR][/URL], which administers 93% of the land in Israel (including the land owned by the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_National_Fund"][COLOR=#002bb8]Jewish National Fund[/COLOR][/URL]), refuses to lease land to non-Jewish foreign nationals, which includes Palestinian residents of Jerusalem who have identity cards but are not citizens of Israel.
The 2007 U.S. State Department Country Reports on Human Rights Practices[190] notes that:
"According to a 2005 study at Hebrew University, three times more money was invested in education of Jewish children as in Arab children."
Although the Bedouin infant mortality rate is still the highest in Israel, and one of the highest in the developed world, The Guardian reports that in the 2002 budget, Israel's health ministry allocated Arab communities less than 0.6% of its budget for healthcare facility development.[173]
In March 2010, a report released by several Israeli civil rights groups claimed that the current Knesset was "the most racist in Israeli history" with 21 bills proposed in 2008 and 2009 that would discriminate against the country's Arab minority.[192]
Those policies are incredibly racist, but not evil. Just because they treat Arab children worse than Jewish children, doesn't mean Israel an abomination or that it's never going to change. There has been huge progress since the 60's in allowing Arabs to have the same rights as Jews and it's an ongoing process. If Arabs want better treatment then get involved in politics; hold peaceful protests, get more seats in government, don't launch missiles at Israeli civilians, stuff you would think is normal for any racially targeted group.
As for the Land administration thing, Arabs were offered Israeli citizenship but some refused and just stayed as permanent residents. If they became citizens of Israel, they could own land and be normal but they chose to stay citizens of wherever they came from. Not letting foreign nationals own land is a common policy all over the world.
yeah arabs stop launching rockets into israel
I know it's your people's favorite pass time but you really have to stop it's hurting people and you frankly look like dicks for doing it. So if all arabs could just please stop that would be great.
-The Management.
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