As mentioned in the SH thread on this:
This is going to be a shit show. It is an inescapable eventuality, particularly because valve has flat out said they will do nothing to moderate it in any way.
On the other hand this is nothing new- games have been doing this for a while, the only difference is it uses valve's system
[QUOTE=coyote93;47630915]I don't see any problems with this. If publishers /devs use this to ban people unfair, then that's a game I wouldn't play anyway.[/QUOTE]
The problem is it's a permanent mark on your account, and it's a mark that doesn't have the usual VAC quality control on it. If a game dev want's to ban a bunch of people for no good reason, they are a shithead. Nothing new there. What's new is that you buying a game, then later finding out it's shit, can potentially result in you getting ban notices on your profile. It also devalues the significance of having the mark on your account. Previously, if you saw someone with this on their account, you could be relatively certain that they were in fact a genuine cheater. The exceptions were very few and far between. With this? You don't know. The specific bans aren't listed, and with how trigger happy shit like punkbuster is, it's effectively meaningless.
I think this is dumb, that is too much power given to developers of all sizes.
Given Valves approach to the storefront, Greenlight and Early Access you have a lot of indies that will be given this control, and we have seen how some indies react to negative press, people that have to directly confront negative feedback, not their PR department.
I would have been all for Valve adding support to cheat detection systems that aren't theirs, because that's a system judging people, not people.
I also question what this means in terms of paying for a game.
Of course, I know I don't own games on Steam. I have a license. But now it seems like the license to that game is explicitly up to the developers, who no longer have to check with anything or anyone. It's under their full control, and there doesn't seem to be a limit on who they can rip the licenses from.
[QUOTE=Zephyrs;47630976]The problem is it's a permanent mark on your account, and it's a mark that doesn't have the usual VAC quality control on it. If a game dev want's to ban a bunch of people for no good reason, they are a shithead. Nothing new there. What's new is that you buying a game, then later finding out it's shit, can potentially result in you getting ban notices on your profile. It also devalues the significance of having the mark on your account. Previously, if you saw someone with this on their account, you could be relatively certain that they were in fact a genuine cheater. The exceptions were very few and far between. With this? You don't know. The specific bans aren't listed, and with how trigger happy shit like punkbuster is, it's effectively meaningless.[/QUOTE]
Since when the hell did VAC bans appearing on your profile mean anything at all, I haven't seen anything as retarded as this since I joined a Garry's Mod TTT server that would permaban anyone who had previous VAC bans because "VAC doesn't work in gmod so our admins check every new player to see if they hack".
You seem like the type of person who acted good in school to keep their "permanent record" clean so they could get a job or something silly. Are you afraid people won't want to be friends with you on steam because you got banned from some crap game out of the tens of thousands on steam?
I really don't understand, this means absolutely nothing. I'm not exactly comfortable with any old dev being able to ban your copy of the game but then again I'm "hardcode" banned on a sourcemod because I called their community an elitist circlejerk and made their "main" server lag with console commands. I don't see it changing anything at all really.
Yeah, I'm saying I don't like Steam further supporting unmoderated game bans. I don't give a shit about public marking.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;47631056]Since when the hell did VAC bans appearing on your profile mean anything at all, I haven't seen anything as retarded as this since I joined a Garry's Mod TTT server that would permaban anyone who had previous VAC bans because "VAC doesn't work in gmod so our admins check every new player to see if they hack".
I really don't understand, this means absolutely nothing. I'm not exactly comfortable with any old dev being able to ban your copy of the game but then again I'm "hardcode" banned on a sourcemod because I called their community an elitist circlejerk and made their "main" server lag with console commands. I don't see it changing anything at all really.[/QUOTE]
Dark Souls II fucked up if you had existing VAC bans. This is easily verifiable fact. The game simply failed to log you in if your account had any VAC bans.
And yes, some communities do not allow you to apply if you have existing VAC bans (generally stupid, and I wouldn't bother applying to them in most cases anyways because checking that is a good first indicator of a level of carebear club mentality that I absolutely detest, but it is a legitimate complaint for people looking to get into a lot of communities (especially RP communities, or so I've been repeatedly told. I wouldn't know from firsthand experience.))
Next comes people who do a lot of trading. If you have a ban on your account, it often ends up seriously hurting your ability to sell and buy items because people are paranoid about scams. Yeah, you can create alts, but a new account looks suspicious as fuck too.
[QUOTE=slayer3032;47631056]You seem like the type of person who acted good in school to keep their "permanent record" clean so they could get a job or something silly. Are you afraid people won't want to be friends with you on steam because you got banned from some crap game out of the tens of thousands on steam?[/quote]
This is completely and utterly irrelevant, besides being a random personal attack. For what it's worth anyone who knows me knows that I practically exude condensed sarcasm and dark humor. For better and for worse, I generally don't give a single solitary fuck what people think of me online, and I never have. I'd still prefer to keep my steam account perfectly clean. It's one less thing that might prevent me from doing some arbitrary thing in the future.
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