• Trump promises his Obamacare replacement plan will cover all
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[quote]resident-elect Donald Trump is putting the finishing touches on an Obamacare replacement plan that aims to provide "insurance for all," he told The Washington Post. Also, he will demand that drug companies negotiate directly with Medicare and Medicaid and lower their prices, saying they will no longer be "politically protected."[/quote] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/15/politics/trump-obamacare/index.html[/url]
Okay but what kind of standard of care comes with that? [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trumpss-doctor-says-letter-declaring-republican-nominees-health-astonishingly-excellent-was-a7212706.html"]Because if it's typical Trump like this,[/URL] I don't know that it'll be much of a consolation. The solution better not be cheap insurance that doesn't [I]actually[/I] cover anything while still technically providing coverage.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51678408]Okay but what kind of standard of care comes with that? [URL="http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trumpss-doctor-says-letter-declaring-republican-nominees-health-astonishingly-excellent-was-a7212706.html"]Because if it's typical Trump like this,[/URL] I don't know that it'll be much of a consolation. [B]The solution better not be cheap insurance that doesn't [I]actually[/I] cover anything while still technically providing coverage.[/B][/QUOTE] What's the alternative? That seems like the only possible solution if he wants to "cover" everyone while still maintaining his hardline GOP-forward stance.
Less than a week before taking office, he still doesn't fucking tell us what any of his plans are
[QUOTE=El Periodista;51678413]What's the alternative? That seems like the only possible solution if he wants to "cover" everyone while still maintaining his hardline GOP-forward stance.[/QUOTE] God forbid America ever gets a real single-payer option. The entire system needs to be overhauled and I sure as fuck don't trust President We'll Build A Wall And Make Someone Else Pay For It with that job. I wouldn't have trusted Clinton with it.
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[quote]Trump did not reveal any details of how he'd accomplish this daunting task, noting that he is waiting for his health secretary nominee, Tom Price, to be confirmed. Price is appearing before the Senate Health, Education, Labor & Pensions Committee on Wednesday, but his hearing before the crucial Senate Finance Committee has yet to be scheduled.[/quote] Tried looking up who Tom Price was to see if he's able to pull this off, found articles of him investing in australian medical company soon to be purchased by an australian pharmaceutical company. Thanks google. But he's a congressman + physician so hopefully this works
Given the Republican stance that poor people are "lazy leeches" and any kind of system set up to help them is automatically wrong, handing out "freebies to freeloaders" at the cost of the "honest workers," and that they just need them bootstraps I somehow doubt his plan (as if he actually has one) will be particularly inclusive. I respect the hell out of Obama for being the first President in a long time who took a look at the long list of previous Presidential inaction on our broken as hell medical and insurance system and decided "Fuck my popularity rating, it won't be perfect but the country needs SOMETHING now." I look forward to my girlfriend and I losing our ACA provided insurance soon, despite our jobs, it is all we can reliably afford and it has been very effective, will I even be able to continue on my particularly sensitive treatment after this? Who knows, the medication is expensive. But who cares. Obummer done did it, must be bad, let's gut it.
Insurance for all? It almost sounds like he's talking about single payer healthcare.
The uninsured get half-off coupons for Trump Steaks.
The title is missing "of the rich" at the end.
Why can't America adopt a European system?
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51678548]Why can't America adopt a European system?[/QUOTE] For one thing, the population of America, itself, is roughly 50% of that of [I]all of Europe[/I]. The logistic considerations of burning the existing system to the ground and converting everything to a European social safety net style of system would be [B]incredible[/B] and it would require the cooperation of the Union, near unanimously, for it to work. It would be on par with the space race in terms of costs and risks, except the stakes are tens of millions of vulnerable Americans' health care, not an ideological bucket-list race against the Russians. Fixing America's health care system is going to be an immense amount of work. Which is exactly why I doubt Trump, a man who has never gone wanting and tends the image of his businesses more than the businesses themselves, should be trusted with anything close to federal health care/insurance reform.
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51678548]Why can't America adopt a European system?[/QUOTE] Because they are America so they can do no wrong and/or the prevalent idea that socialism=communism. That's pretty much it, if Russia can have free health care so can America.
gonna laugh if the republicans replace obamacare with an identical system
[QUOTE=Damjen;51678557]Because they are America so they can do no wrong and/or the prevalent idea that socialism=communism. That's pretty much it, if Russia can have free health care so can America.[/QUOTE] It's a bit more complicated than that.
When has a people-centric Trump promise ever worked out?
[QUOTE=Saxon;51678419]Less than a week before taking office, he still doesn't fucking tell us what any of his plans are[/QUOTE] It's all about that element of surprise
[QUOTE=chernisreal?;51678548]Why can't America adopt a European system?[/QUOTE] Because Americans will go nuts and start screaming that' socialist or communist. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Damjen;51678557]Because they are America so they can do no wrong and/or the prevalent idea that socialism=communism. That's pretty much it, if Russia can have free health care so can America.[/QUOTE] I know it's retarded that people seem to lump communism and socalism into the same category when they're completely different ideologies.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51678556]For one thing, the population of America, itself, is roughly 50% of that of [I]all of Europe[/I]. The logistic considerations of burning the existing system to the ground and converting everything to a European social safety net style of system would be [B]incredible[/B] and it would require the cooperation of the Union, near unanimously, for it to work. It would be on par with the space race in terms of costs and risks, except the stakes are tens of millions of vulnerable Americans' health care, not an ideological bucket-list race against the Russians. Fixing America's health care system is going to be an immense amount of work. Which is exactly why I doubt Trump, a man who has never gone wanting and tends the image of his businesses more than the businesses themselves, should be trusted with anything close to federal health care/insurance reform.[/QUOTE] Huh? The US has a population of 318 million as opposed to Europe's 743 million. Perhaps you were thinking of the European Union, but that's still wrong as the EU has a population of 508 million. There are many real barriers that the US has to Europe style healthcare, but population size isn't one of them.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51678426]God forbid America ever gets a real single-payer option. The entire system needs to be overhauled and I sure as fuck don't trust President We'll Build A Wall And Make Someone Else Pay For It with that job. I wouldn't have trusted Clinton with it.[/QUOTE] I don't trust Trump to put forward a sensible solution to our country's healthcare issues. Heck, I don't honestly trust him to tie his own shoelaces. The man is a fount of terrible decisions. [editline]16th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=matt000024;51678560]gonna laugh if the republicans replace obamacare with an identical system[/QUOTE] They're not going to. Ryan's bill that he's teasing like it's a summer blockbuster was very clear on the repeal of the individual mandate and pre-existing conditions regulations in the ACA, which basically nullifies its power. Without the individual mandate, costs go up for everyone who buys insurance due to a lower number of people in the system, pricing out lower income brackets. By blocking insurance for people with pre-existing conditions, you also raise the cost of insurance that will cover those people, because you can't spread risk around like you can in the current system. Effectively, it nullifies any possible benefits could have provided by taking out the supporting columns with a sledgehammer. The ACA had a rocky start, to be sure, but functionally it's a decent stop-gap. Single-payer would be easier, but the health insurance lobby has too tight a grip on our [I]elected representatives[/I] to ever allow that.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;51678556]For one thing, the population of America, itself, is roughly 50% of that of [I]all of Europe[/I].[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Samiam22;51678682]Huh? The US has a population of 318 million as opposed to Europe's 743 million. Perhaps you were thinking of the European Union, but that's still wrong as the EU has a population of 508 million. There are many real barriers that the US has to Europe style healthcare, but population size isn't one of them.[/QUOTE] 318 / 743 = 42.8% or a very rough approximation of 50%, I stand by what I said. Europe's various nations have different health care systems and their individual populations and medical systems are by and large segmented away (although free travel within the EU does blur this to a degree, I'll admit). That's quite a distinct difference than the US, where one federal budget and the same set of federal laws apply to an [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States"]estimated[/URL] 324 million people. It's not an insurmountable problem, but it's still one of considerable logistics, simply designing a system that will properly serve everyone. There are much greater barriers, sure, but I was going for a simple one. Things get more complicated when you start getting into America's predatory relationship between insurance providers, pharmaceutical/equipment providers, and hospitals/patient care, and things like rearranging the budget to be able to keep everything afloat during the turbulent transition before the (hopeful) stability.
I've never been so happy to see a politician turn out to be a bold-faced liar in my life.
seems almost too good to be true that the republicans have a full comprehensive healthcare bill ready to vote on in what, two, three weeks when it took the democrats over a year in committee to get a first draft? seems like maybe it might not be in our best interest, seems like itll be a paper saying everybody can buy insurance and no taxes on HSAs which wont do jack shit to get everybody healthcare but by god they all can have healthcare
Obamacare is squeezing my middle class parents dry and they got a letter in the mail a month or two ago saying their price is going to go up again. I have absolutely no hope that anything this idiot puts into plan will be any better.
[QUOTE=Damjen;51678557]Because they are America so they can do no wrong and/or the prevalent idea that socialism=communism. That's pretty much it, if Russia can have free health care so can America.[/QUOTE] Russian free healthcare is a joke however, which is just getting worse due to shit economy. I'm pretty sure US can get it to work, however. If they swapped defense budget with healthcare budget, for example?
[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51679318]Russian free healthcare is a joke however, which is just getting worse due to shit economy. I'm pretty sure US can get it to work, however. If they swapped defense budget with healthcare budget, for example?[/QUOTE] You don't understand. We [I]need[/I] that defense budget. Without it, our effectiveness at bullying brown people in god forsaken war-torn desert countries will plummet! They'll be left alone to practice their own religions and war with themselves and maybe finally have a side win and allow the region to stabilize again! Before you know it, we'll be paying 6 bucks a gallon for gas, and in comparison to poor people literally fucking dying, that just won't do!
They want to remove the ACA and replace it with their own plan that covers basically everything the ACA does, because if they remove anything people rely on, they'll face backlash. They are basically legislating based on, "Well, we'd better remove this because we didn't think of it first."
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;51679419]They are basically legislating based on, "Well, we'd better remove this because we didn't think of it first."[/QUOTE] Ironically the ACA was basically a Republican bill from the 90s (which Romney had also passed in MA when he was governor).
[QUOTE=elevator13;51679448]Ironically the ACA was basically a Republican bill from the 90s (which Romney had also passed in MA when he was governor).[/QUOTE] wasn't Romney actually pretty left-wing to begin with? i remember people posting old videos of him defending abortion and gay marriage and stuff
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