Czech Parliament Approves Citizens’ Right to Bear Arms
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[quote]The new amendment states that citizens have a right to posses and carry firearms for the protection of their lives and property. But the measure has one important difference from the American version: there’s a specific line stating that the right is subject to restrictions passed by the legislature. So while everyone has a “right” to carry a gun, the legislature left themselves a loophole to lock that down as tightly as they may want with no constitutional entanglements.[/quote]
[URL="http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/06/foghorn/breaking-czech-parliament-approves-citizens-right-bear-arms/"]Source[/URL]
Super short article from TTAG, here's the [URL="http://zpravy.idnes.cz/snemovna-ustavni-pravo-drzet-zbran-kvuli-obrane-statu-pgd-/domaci.aspx?c=A170628_074636_domaci_kop"]original (Czech) source.[/URL]
There's been a bunch of talk about this, especially in the face of new EU regulations, so we'll see how it ends up going. The Czech Republic is pretty open to gun ownership, and is one of the few Euro nations with readily acquirable concealed carry permits.
Hope this is not a trend that's going spread to the rest of europe.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52411153]Hope this is not a trend that's going spread to the rest of europe.[/QUOTE]
I don't see the problem with responsible gun ownership. Besides, if someone wanted to use a gun illegally, they'd get their hands on one anyways from the black market.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;52411180]I don't see the problem with responsible gun ownership. Besides, if someone wanted to use a gun illegally, they'd get their hands on one anyways from the black market.[/QUOTE]
I think the policy implementations in America would need to be overly drastic to successfully regulate availability of guns for crime, but in Europe it is a lot harder to acquire a gun -- even though illegal means. Dependent on the country, ofcourse.
Czech Republic has some fairly lax gunlaws as is. You are legally able to own automatics, with a relatively easy to pass background check.
Either way, I'm glad to hear this. More countries need the right to keep and bear arms.
Good on the Czech. Hope this works well for them. I don't like the idea of anyones rights being infringed on anywhere in the world, especially if they're ones the majority of people in that country explicitly want to keep,
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52411153]Hope this is not a trend that's going spread to the rest of europe.[/QUOTE]
the czechs have always had relaxed attitudes towards firearms in stark contrast to most of the rest of the EU
it hasn't caused them any problems thus far, so why would you only now worry?
This is the problem with american-centrism occupying the political sphere of the internet, everyone thinks america is the only country that has relaxed firearm legislation and thinks its total chaos, when in reality, many countries have had easily acquirable firearms for it's citizens for a very long time and they don't have a homicide problem.
[QUOTE=kevinspacey;52411255]the czechs have always had relaxed attitudes towards firearms in stark contrast to most of the rest of the EU
it hasn't caused them any problems thus far, so why would you only now worry?
This is the problem with american-centrism occupying the political sphere of the internet, everyone thinks america is the only country that has relaxed firearm legislation and thinks its total chaos, when in reality, many countries have had easily acquirable firearms for it's citizens for a very long time and they don't have a homicide problem.[/QUOTE]
Why do you assume i'm just now worrying about this issue? In my opinion, humanity as a whole should gradually move away from guns, who's purpose again, in my opinion, should be for recreational uses or hunting.
Hey, Pew recently did a thing in America on gun issue opinions. This thread isn't totally related to that, but I thought it would be relevant.
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Really interesting article. [url]http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/06/22/americas-complex-relationship-with-guns/[/url]
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52411153]Hope this is not a trend that's going spread to the rest of europe.[/QUOTE]
I'm fine with the first part, as long as it's regulated (and those regulations are enforced) to prevent accidents.
Germany seems to be doing well on that front, with relatively high ownership but not much gun crime afaik. (I live near a shooting range. I think it's mostly seen as just another job/hobby here.)
I'd definitely have a problem with people being allowed to carry them around in a ready-to-use fashion here, though.
[QUOTE=Tamschi;52411304]I'm fine with the first part, as long as it's regulated (and those regulations are enforced) to prevent accidents.
Germany seems to be doing well on that front, with relatively high ownership but not much gun crime afaik. (I live near a shooting range. I think it's mostly seen as just another job/hobby here.)
I'd definitely have a problem with people being allowed to carry them around in a ready-to-use fashion here, though.[/QUOTE]
I agree, gun ownership should require extensive training, psychological evaluation and extensive background checks.
I also agree with the fact that i wouldn't like regular people carrying loaded guns in public, i'd leave that to the police who are trained in that matter.
Czech is a good example of gun liberties in a European state.
I'm willing to bet that even though Czech citizens can own guns, the vast majority don't.
[editline]28th June 2017[/editline]
A quick google shows the're pretty low on the list
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country[/URL]
[QUOTE=Scot;52411465]I'm willing to bet that even though Czech citizens can own guns, the vast majority don't.
[editline]28th June 2017[/editline]
A quick google shows the're pretty low on the list
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country[/URL][/QUOTE]
Ye, the gun culture is pretty non-existent here despite the lax laws.
I was thinking of getting gun at some point in my life so this is cool.
Good, I'm happy for them.
Fantastic news!
[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;52411330]Czech is a good example of gun liberties in a European state.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I was indifferent to guns until I got to know a bunch of pro gun people in Prague.
This thread reminded me that there is a part in Anders Breivik's manifesto/diary where he hears from a documentary that Prague is the most dangerous city in Europe, so he travels there and walks up to random people in clubs asking them to sell him an AK47 but he gets told to fuck off so he ends up going home
[quote]I can’t say I’m looking forward to this trip. I’ve heard that Prague is the most dangerous capital in Europe with a lot of very brutal and cynical criminals. There is a chance ill get killed down there by some desperate criminal individual. In any case; I’ve prepped by car, hollowed out the back seats of my Hyundai Atos and it should be room for weapons, a few frag grenades and AP ammo.[/quote]
[quote]I’m been two days in Prague ... I need to find my weapons connection within 4 days…! I failed miserably yesterday; I went to two brothels and a couple of clubs. The people I approached got really nervous and thought I was either a cop or completely nuts, lol. I have had to refine my approach pitch. It started off really bad.[/quote]
[quote]This city doesn’t seem dangerous at all btw. I have no idea why that BBC documentary would present such incorrect information. In fact, I feel even safer here than back in Oslo.[/quote]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;52411223]Czech Republic has some fairly lax gunlaws as is. You are legally able to own automatics, with a relatively easy to pass background check.
Either way, I'm glad to hear this. More countries need the right to keep and bear arms.[/QUOTE]
Erm no thank you, you can keep your guns in America, countries vary due to cultural and political differences.
Its worked well back home in Singapore.
[QUOTE=maxspeed3006;52411153]Hope this is not a trend that's going spread to the rest of europe.[/QUOTE]
Heres hoping it does spread, gun ownership is a wonderful hobby.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;52411243]Good on the Czech. Hope this works well for them. I don't like the idea of anyones rights being infringed on anywhere in the world, especially if they're ones the majority of people in that country explicitly want to keep,[/QUOTE]
The right to own a gun isn't a fundemental and universal human right - I don't see gun control being an infringement outside of the US.
[QUOTE=Noss;52412195]The right to own a gun isn't a fundemental and universal human right - I don't see gun control being an infringement outside of the US.[/QUOTE]
The right to self defense is a guaranteed right with the UN :v:
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;52411180]I don't see the problem with responsible gun ownership. Besides, if someone wanted to use a gun illegally, they'd get their hands on one anyways from the black market.[/QUOTE]
I'm all for gun ownership, but this is a flawed argument. Most gun crime is spur of the moment stuff, crimes of passion, that kind of thing. A gun makes killing another human being utterly effortless. Twitch of the finger, and it's done and unable to be taken back. Making guns easy to obtain will make those kinds of incidents more common, hard to argue otherwise.
Not to mention not every average joe shmoe knows exactly [I]where[/I] to get a gun illegally. What are they going to do, look up 'illegalguns.net?'
Congrats Czechs!
[QUOTE=evilweazel;52411243]Good on the Czech. Hope this works well for them. [B]I don't like the idea of anyones rights being infringed on anywhere in the world[/B], especially if they're ones the majority of people in that country explicitly want to keep,[/QUOTE]
What the fuck, "infringing on rights."
Owning a gun is considered a "right" in America (to a point, because you still properly need a license), but not being allowed to own a gun isn't "having your rights infringed." It's not comparable to silencing opinions or such.
God, American gun culture is fuckin horrifying.
[QUOTE=The golden;52412813]Right to defend yourself =/= right to own a firearm.[/QUOTE]
Well when criminals, terrorists, and/or militias who are trying to kill you and/or destroy your village/city/country have guns, with what else are you supposed to defend yourself?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52412991]Well when criminals, terrorists, and/or militias who are trying to kill you and/or destroy your village/city/country have guns, with what else are you supposed to defend yourself?[/QUOTE]
What exactly do you think goes on in Europe?
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;52412991]Well when criminals, terrorists, and/or militias who are trying to kill you and/or destroy your village/city/country have guns, with what else are you supposed to defend yourself?[/QUOTE]
I think the recent terror attacks in the UK prove that needing to defend yourself against gun toting maniacs isn't a thing.
Before anybody argues "Well a gun could have stopped them" I don't want to think about the death toll if guns were easier to get a hold of. 3 guys armed with sidearms would be catastrophic, let alone if they had automatic weapons.
Leave the guns to the trained professionals, they managed to get it done within 8minutes (plus it would be harder for them to put down 3 guys who're shooting back)
americans in this threads are just too funny
Guns aren't a necessity in most of Europe. Each country there is vastly smaller than the US as a whole and the police forces are far more readily available.
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