• Sony accused of censoring negative feedback on Bravia 4K TVs
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[url]http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sony-accused-censoring-negative-feedback-its-bravia-tvs-ahead-black-friday-sales-rush-1593053[/url] [QUOTE]Disgruntled owners of Sony's Bravia televisions have accused the company of "censoring" its community forums by preventing users from reporting technical issues. Users on Reddit say the company has locked threads containing complaints about its 4K televisions to suppress negative feedback in the run-up to the high-spending season. One of the threads removed by Sony contained 90 pages-worth of reports of input lag issues affecting its 2016 line of ultra-high definition (UHD) Bravia sets. The thread is titled, "Buyers beware, it looks almost the entire 4K 'HDR capable' TV line up from Sony are trash for 4K and HDR gaming" and clicking on the link now brings up an empty page with the error message: "the topic you are trying to access is not available." Users say they attempted to begin a second thread under the same name, which was removed by Sony within 10 minutes, while on the third attempt Sony immediately deleted the thread. Input lag refers to a delay between a television receiving a signal and actually displaying it. In gaming, this causes a delay – or lag – between the player pressing a button and seeing the desired effect on-screen.[/QUOTE] [url]https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/5edhty/psa_sony_removes_90_pages_thread_on_their/[/url] [QUOTE]Sony's 2016 Bravia line is ill-equiped to handle 4K gaming, as their flagship models have really high levels of input latency. Sony advertises their x930D bravia model as best fit for the PS4 Pro, but users who actually have it face a sever disadvantage when it comes to competitive and even casual games like Battlefield. Sony also promised a marshmallow update for their 2016 line in sometime October which has been indefinitely postponed without any news. Basically, Sony is trying to censor any bad press regarding their 2016 TVs for the holiday season, so I want to get the word out.[/QUOTE]
It's kinda crazy really because all it really takes to fix input lag is a firmware update which most TV companies have done. Hell Samsung has some of the best input rates atm for HDR gaming.
Why has this input lag problem not been solved on all flat panel displays, TVs or monitors?
[QUOTE=Humin;51419592]Why has this input lag problem not been solved on all flat panel displays, TVs or monitors?[/QUOTE] because then they would have to pay more than 35 cents for an image processor
[QUOTE=MR-X;51419509]It's kinda crazy really because all it really takes to fix input lag is a firmware update which most TV companies have done. Hell Samsung has some of the best input rates atm for HDR gaming.[/QUOTE] Whenever i look up samsung in display lag databases they are all the worst on the list. instead of 10-12ms total they get upwards of 25 almost always. Why do you think samsung has good input rates, and why do you think input lag is always fixable with just a firmware update?
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51419692]Whenever i look up samsung in display lag databases they are all the worst on the list. instead of 10-12ms total they get upwards of 25 almost always. Why do you think samsung has good input rates, and why do you think input lag is always fixable with just a firmware update?[/QUOTE] Because nearly every TV reviewed has received an update via firmware which has helped improve input lag and add a HDR gaming option. For example LG's OLED TV is being looked into for poor input lag and LG said themselves they'll be looking at a firmware update to help improve their TVs. TV's need to be calibrated for use and each input can be customized for a specific setting.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51419692]Whenever i look up samsung in display lag databases they are all the worst on the list. instead of 10-12ms total they get upwards of 25 almost always. Why do you think samsung has good input rates, and why do you think input lag is always fixable with just a firmware update?[/QUOTE] While I can't say for sure that this is the case, but when where these tests last updated, and were they done with PC/Game mode enabled? When I put my Samsung 4K TV in "normal" mode, there is definite input lag. 25ms sounds about right in that mode. But in gaming mode, it feels like 5ms tops. I can't verify it since I have no way to test it, but it feels only a smidge slower than my desktop monitor, which is perfectly fine to me.
I have a Sony Bravia TV (1080p 3D tho, parents decided to buy when it was a fad) and it sucks massive balls for gaming, it's almost a second of input lag even on game mode.
[QUOTE=MR-X;51420358]Because nearly every TV reviewed has received an update via firmware which has helped improve input lag and add a HDR gaming option. For example LG's OLED TV is being looked into for poor input lag and LG said themselves they'll be looking at a firmware update to help improve their TVs. TV's need to be calibrated for use and each input can be customized for a specific setting.[/QUOTE] My 4k LG is aboslutely awful for gaming, I only use it for tv but it would be nice to try to game on it
Not really related but whenever I see a 4K TV in a store even if it's on a HD channel the quality just seems bad.
Hold up, "marshmallow" update? Are TVs running on fucking android now?
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;51421980]Hold up, "marshmallow" update? Are TVs running on fucking android now?[/QUOTE] Everything runs on Android now.
[QUOTE=Humin;51419592]Why has this input lag problem not been solved on all flat panel displays, TVs or monitors?[/QUOTE] They are packed full of all sorts of stupid image processing steps that you may not be even able to turn off. Basically manufacturers want content to look sharp and good, even when people are watching some ancient sd tv broadcast. Which i guess is fine for TV but hell for gaming.
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;51421980]Hold up, "marshmallow" update? Are TVs running on fucking android now?[/QUOTE] Many smart-TV's run a gimped and locked-down version of Android
[QUOTE=CommanderPT;51421980]Hold up, "marshmallow" update? Are TVs running on fucking android now?[/QUOTE] TVs either run Android or a proprietary system now. Most common one is this dumb Yahoo one iirc.
i mean android tv is a thing
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51422842]i mean android tv is a thing[/QUOTE] And much more preferable to every fucker rolling their own software. It's bad enough that every set-top box on the planet has it's own software that will suffer some bug another manufacturer fixed years ago. Unifying entertainment operating systems could save everyone a lot of pain, Android isn't exactly hard to tweak to whatever you need, and runs on basically everything anyway.
tlel that to the DOCSIS people
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