[quote]You probably already know that women and certain minorities are underrepresented in science and engineering in the U.S. But a recent report from the the National Science Foundation shows just how pronounced that gap is.
The report comes out every two years, and it tracks women, minorities, and people with disabilities in science and engineering. The latest report uses figures from 2010, the most recent year for which data was available. The highlights include trends that are both expected and unexpected.
Minority scientists and engineers are more likely to be unemployed. In 2010, unemployment rates were highest for Asian women and underrepresented minority men and women scientists, with each around 7 percent. (That was still quite a bit under the average national unemployment rate that year, which was 9.6 percent.) The unemployment rate for white men in science and engineering was 3.6 percent.
By the way, Asians aren't considered an underrepresented race in math and science. In 2010, 18 percent of U.S. scientists and engineers were Asian, while Asians represented only 4.7 percent of the U.S. population. The National Science Foundation counts black, Hispanic and American Indian people as underrepresented minorities in science.
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[url]http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-03/minority-scientists-are-more-likely-be-unemployed-and-other-stats[/url]
I doubt it's workplace discrimination.
I find it interesting how women are half as likely to get fired as men, but many times as likely to leave work for family.
[QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;39921583]I doubt it's workplace discrimination.[/QUOTE]
It's already been shown that someone with an "ethnic" sounding name is less likely to get chosen for a job even with the same qualifications as white-sounding applicants. Science, a field that's already whiter to start with, isn't going to be some anomalous exception to this.
The article itself says that minority scientists (that's people with degrees) are more likely to be unemployed than white scientists. How else would you explain it?
Does the study say anything about the willingness of minorities and women to study for this career?
[QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;39921583]I doubt it's workplace discrimination.[/QUOTE]
Then what exactly do you think it is?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39921608]It's already been shown that someone with an "ethnic" sounding name is less likely to get chosen for a job even with the same qualifications as white-sounding applicants. Science, a field that's already whiter to start with, isn't going to be some anomalous exception to this.[/QUOTE]
How come Asians are massively over-represented then? Surely they should be under-represented because whites rule the country?
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39921614]Does the study say anything about the willingness of minorities and women to study for this career?[/QUOTE]
[i]"Minority scientists and engineers are more likely to be unemployed."[/i]
Does the study say anything about the willingness of you to read the article
[editline]15th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39921617]How come Asians are massively over-represented then? Surely they should be under-represented because whites rule the country?[/QUOTE]
[i]"In 2010, unemployment rates were highest for Asian women and underrepresented minority men and women scientists"[/i]
Seems to only apply to asian men. If I had to put it bluntly I'd say it's because white men see asian men as being smart and black men/black women/asian women/other minorities as being stupid.
[QUOTE=entertainer89;39921614]Does the study say anything about the willingness of minorities and women to study for this career?[/QUOTE]
If they were considered in this study, they already have a degree.
If they have a degree, I'm pretty damn sure they have a great willingness for their career.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39921608]It's already been shown that someone with an "ethnic" sounding name is less likely to get chosen for a job even with the same qualifications as white-sounding applicants. Science, a field that's already whiter to start with, isn't going to be some anomalous exception to this.
The article itself says that minority scientists (that's people with degrees) are more likely to be unemployed than white scientists. How else would you explain it?[/QUOTE]
Because white people comprise 80% of the country, not enough interest of science in their culture, etc.
[QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;39921643]Because white people comprise 80% of the country, not enough interest of science in their culture, etc.[/QUOTE]
How can you claim that there isn't enough interest in "their culture" when the article is talking about people who hold science and engineering degrees?
Are minorities supposed to do something more than get a degree in a certain field to prove to you that they're interested in that field?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39921621]Seems to only apply to asian men. If I had to put it bluntly I'd say it's because white men see asian men as being smart and black men/black women/asian women/other minorities as being stupid.[/QUOTE]
There must be a shockingly massive amount of discrimination in that case, given that nearly four times as many Asian are hired than is representative of the population.
Is it really that discriminating enough that nearly three quarters of Asians were hired just because they appeared to be more intelligent?
[QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;39921643]Because white people comprise 80% of the country, not enough interest of science in their culture, etc.[/QUOTE]
Did you even read the article? These people have degrees in theses fields.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39921664]How can you claim that there isn't enough interest in "their culture" when the article is talking about people who hold science and engineering degrees?
Are minorities supposed to do something more than get a degree in a certain field to prove to you that they're interested in that field?[/QUOTE]
I frankly don't give a damn what they do. That's a 4% gap. That's nothing. They have the same opportunity.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39921686]There must be a shockingly massive amount of discrimination in that case, given that nearly four times as many Asian are hired than is representative of the population.
Is it really that discriminating enough that nearly three quarters of Asians were hired just because they appeared to be more intelligent?[/QUOTE]
positive racism is still bad.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39921686]There must be a shockingly massive amount of discrimination in that case, given that nearly four times as many Asian are hired than is representative of the population.
Is it really that discriminating enough that nearly three quarters of Asians were hired just because they appeared to be more intelligent?[/QUOTE]
I doubt many people would be surprised to hear that there is, in fact, a "shockingly massive amount of discrimination" when it comes to hiring people
[editline]15th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;39921713]I frankly don't give a damn what they do.[/QUOTE]
Maybe you should give a damn that there are huge segments of the population that can do everything exactly the same as you and still have nowhere near the same opportunities
[editline]15th March 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39921727]positive racism is still bad.[/QUOTE]
Not only because it creates unrealistic expectations for the target group but because it pushes everyone else out
[QUOTE=NoDachi;39921727]positive racism is still bad.[/QUOTE]
It is, but it seems a bit underwhelming to say "3/4 of Asians were hired for appearing intelligent". Is that the only reason for such an insanely massive disparity?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;39921740]It is, but it seems a bit underwhelming to say "3/4 of Asians were hired for appearing intelligent". Is that the only reason for such an insanely massive disparity?[/QUOTE]
The stereotype that Asians are all really smart and successful causes Asian parents to push their kids into science, engineering, and medical fields at a greater rate so that'll likely account for a chunk of it as well. The stereotypes would account for some of the asian man/asian women discrepancy as well, the stigma associated with being a career woman seems greater for asian people
White people are approximately 72.4% of the total population of the US. The pie chart indicates that approximately 51% of scientists are white males and 18% are white females, this gives a total of 69% white people. Including both genders, are white people not therefore under represented?
[QUOTE=butt2089;39921756]White people are approximately 72.4% of the total population of the US. The pie chart indicates that approximately 51% of scientists are white males and 18% are white females, this gives a total of 69% white people. Including both genders, are white people not therefore under represented?[/QUOTE]
I too am incapable of understanding statistics.
[QUOTE=butt2089;39921756]White people are approximately 72.4% of the total population of the US. The pie chart indicates that approximately 51% of scientists are white males and 18% are white females, this gives a total of 69% white people. Including both genders, are white people not therefore under represented?[/QUOTE]
I think the 72.4% figure for "White American" includes [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans]White Hispanic and Latino Americans.[/url]
Non-Hispanic whites make up 63.7% of the US.
This is useless without knowing the definition of "white" for the study in this thread though.
[QUOTE=butt2089;39921756]White people are approximately 72.4% of the total population of the US. The pie chart indicates that approximately 51% of scientists are white males and 18% are white females, this gives a total of 69% white people. Including both genders, are white people not therefore under represented?[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=FrankOfArabia;39921795]This.[/QUOTE]
How can you not only fail to read the source, but you have failed to read the entire thread except one post that is somehow aligned to your view on the issue.
Doesn't just happen for 'white countries', or scientist, office jobs in foreign countries as well.
Like down here white people are more highly paid because of the status.
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