• MEPs revoke Marine Le Pen's immunity over violent Isis images
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[QUOTE][B]MEPs have voted to lift Marine Le Pen’s parliamentary immunity to allow French prosecutors to take legal action against the far-right leader for tweeting gruesome images of killings by Islamic State militants.[/B] Members of the European parliament’s legal affairs committee voted on Tuesday by an overwhelming majority to waive Le Pen’s immunity, after a request from the prosecutor of Nanterre in west Paris. The prosecutor opened an inquiry under a French law banning the distribution of violent images or those inciting terrorism.[/QUOTE] [URL]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/28/meps-say-marine-le-pen-can-be-prosecuted-over-violent-isis-images[/URL] :dance:
So you can get three years in prison and a fine of up to €75,000 fine for posting pictures of "distributing violent images" that are simply pictures of what is currently happening in parts of the world? I understand censorship laws can be quite a bit stricter in Europe compared to the US but that seems wildly excessive considering news reporters here release violent and graphic images all of the time. They are usually accompanied by a disclaimer, but I do not believe they are legally required to do so.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;51893709]So you can get three years in prison and a fine of up to €75,000 fine for posting pictures of "distributing violent images" that are simply pictures of what is currently happening in parts of the world? I understand censorship laws can be quite a bit stricter in Europe compared to the US but that seems wildly excessive considering news reporters here release violent and graphic images all of the time. They are usually accompanied by a disclaimer, but I do not believe they are legally required to do so.[/QUOTE] What reports release on the telly is very tame, even after a disclaimer. I have seen some disturbing shit from ISIS that if I was a little less stable would of pushed me over the edge.
What the fuck is up with mainland European censorship laws
[QUOTE=Ajacks;51893709]So you can get three years in prison and a fine of up to €75,000 fine for posting pictures of "distributing violent images" that are simply pictures of what is currently happening in parts of the world? I understand censorship laws can be quite a bit stricter in Europe compared to the US but that seems wildly excessive considering news reporters here release violent and graphic images all of the time. They are usually accompanied by a disclaimer, but I do not believe they are legally required to do so.[/QUOTE] Make no mistake they are just doing this to try to kill her chances of being elected in france.
One of the offending pictures, as censored: [IMG]http://www.midilibre.fr/images/2015/12/16/1258636_097_tweetmlp-1.png[/IMG] If I had to hazard a guess, it would appear to be the beheaded corpse of a prisoner.
I don't care who she is or what she represents, if anyone were to do that and face these fines/prison time I'd consider it extremely excessive.
[QUOTE=Saturn V;51893727]What the fuck is up with mainland European censorship laws[/QUOTE] The FN has somewhat of a history of posting provocative shit on social media. In 2013 a FN member who wanted to run for mayor posted a picture comparing the then minister of justice (a black woman) to an ape. She got thrown out of the party and was sentenced to a suspended sentence of two months in jail and a 3000€ fine (also suspended), but even with the damage control and the whole thing going to court, people didn't exactly forget. Keep in mind that at around the same time a political cartoonist also drew that exact same minister as a monkey and got absolutely no trouble for it because he was protected by free speech and wasn't a politician. Censorship laws can be quite brutal in France but in that case it's really just the FN being on close watch because of how much they like to stir shit and incite hatred. [editline]1st March 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Anteep;51893747]I don't care who she is or what she represents, if anyone were to do that and face these fines/prison time I'd consider it extremely excessive.[/QUOTE] [I]Maximum[/I] sentence, not what [I]she[/I] would get. In order to get fined 75k and stay three years in prison you'd have to post a lot more than one beheaded guy. If she does get a sentence it would be much shorter and would also be suspended, meaning she wouldn't actually get hit by the sentence unless she commits another crime later.
Isn't that just posting what isis itself posts.
i think maybe we should hold ourselves to a higher standard than ISIS but that's just my opinion
Yeah I meant like when some anti-video game politicians describe acts of violence in games and all we think of is "woah that sounds cool" so they ended up having the opposite effect. Y'know, that they're posting something while thinking it's bad and everyone else will think it's bad but actually they're spreading a different message. In other words acting as isis mouthpieces.
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[QUOTE=bunguer;51894116]One doesn't need to support Le Pen to find this type of law easily abused and overreaching. It's a very fine line between this and what the media already does, it could create precedents we don't want to create.[/QUOTE] I can agree with this somewhat. I would rather her be fully investigated for the misappropriation of funds than this.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51894129]I can agree with this somewhat. I would rather her be fully investigated for the misappropriation of funds than this.[/QUOTE] She could not be investigated because of her immunity. She was getting flak as of lately for entraving the due process of law, refusing to show up for appointments at the police station when a chunk of her constituency is comprised of police officers. This immunity is a privilege granted by the european parliament. Turns out if you scam them and break the law they can pull the plug.
[QUOTE=Scarabix;51894197]She could not be investigated because of her immunity. She was getting flak as of lately for entraving the due process of law, refusing to show up for appointments at the police station when a chunk of her constituency is comprised of police officers. This immunity is a privilege granted by the european parliament. Turns out if you scam them and break the law they can pull the plug.[/QUOTE] I'm glad she no longer has the immunity but it seems weird that she last it for breaking some censorship laws and not because of her refusal to work with authorities on her corrupt payments.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;51893709]So you can get three years in prison and a fine of up to €75,000 fine for posting pictures of "distributing violent images" that are simply pictures of what is currently happening in parts of the world? I understand censorship laws can be quite a bit stricter in Europe compared to the US but that seems wildly excessive considering news reporters here release violent and graphic images all of the time. They are usually accompanied by a disclaimer, but I do not believe they are legally required to do so.[/QUOTE] imagine someone using say... the pictures of people dying in 9/11 here or soldiers being blown up in iraq to incite people to go attack muslims, its a different legal system there, just like germany, they don't take such a hardline stance on free speech
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