[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/13/rape-investigations-belief-false-accusations[/url]
[quote]A "misplaced belief" that false accusations of rape or domestic violence are commonplace may be undermining police and prosecutors' efforts to investigate such crimes, the director of public prosecutions has warned.[/quote]
Good, there are few things I despire more than false accusations
I thought this was well known.
Out of all kinds of criminal accusations, isn't rape supposed to be one of the rarest?
I'd love to live in a world where they were nonexistent, but hey, this is still good news.
The only that pisses me off more than false rape accusations is people who use this apparent phenomenon to further their prejudices of women
[quote]Keir Starmer QC, speaking as he published a study showing there were only a few false allegations during 17 months over 2011 and 2012, said police should not adopt "an over-cautious approach" because "of the understandable concern that some allegations are false".[/quote]
Considering how life-destroying an allegation of rape can be, I'm glad that they are thorough and cautious.
Shit but how am I meant to act like women are the ultimate evil now??
It says there were only a small amount of prosecutions for false allegations, many people who make false allegations drop the charges when they realise that they don't have a leg to stand on and the accused can prove they are innocent. This means many aren't in this statistic.
This is happening to my dad right now, he's not been allowed to see me or my sister for 2months and only yesterday were his bail conditions finally changed to allow supervised access. The charges have been changed about 15 times now to different dates and crimes, they are changing them to assault, then back to rape, then back to assault and all sorts of crazy shit.
The best thing of all, every single date they have claimed the crime was committed he was married with a kid already living 200miles away from the person who claims he did it. Because of all the Jimmy Savile shit the court won't just throw this out.
[QUOTE=catbarf;39901643]Considering how life-destroying an allegation of rape can be, I'm glad that they are thorough and cautious.[/QUOTE]
My mum had to quit her job to look after me and my sister, my dad was a house husband but if he's not allowed in the house or allowed contact with kids it doesn't exactly work as planned.
[QUOTE=The Article]35 prosecutions for making false allegations of rape[/QUOTE]
Errrmm...
This seems to suggest the [B]"Prosecution of the allegation of rape is rare"[/B], not the allegation of rape.
When I was 12 or 13, I was sexually abused (as in fondled), and nobody believed me, not even my mother, because at the time there was a big deal going on about the false accusations. I'm not sure if that influenced them subconsciously or what, but it hurts.
2-4% of rape charges are falsely filed. when they're falsely filed they don't go to prosecution. the fbi has been releasing this data for years
[QUOTE=BrickInHead;39901947]2-4% of rape charges are falsely filed. when they're falsely filed they don't go to prosecution. the fbi has been releasing this data for years[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
[QUOTE=Bradyns;39902037][citation needed][/QUOTE]
It's also the wrong country.
Did you get raped 'Yes'
Are you lying 'No'
I certainly hope so.
Being accused and convicted of something heinous I didn't even do is one of my biggest fears.
I thought everyone with half a brain knew this.
Irrelevant: that's a really flattering picture of Keir Starmer.
[QUOTE=Protocol7;39901500]I'd love to live in a world where they were nonexistent, but hey, this is still good news.[/QUOTE]
I'd like to live in a world where rape is nonexistent, actually.
[QUOTE=postmanX3;39902129]I'd like to live in a world where rape is nonexistent, actually.[/QUOTE]
As much as this is preferable, humans will foreseeably continue to be humans and there will always be some kind of sick fuck who rapes other people.
One thing mentioned is that a lot of false rape allegations are reported not by the victim but by someone else close to the victim, I remember reading another study on false rape allegations and apparently what happens here is the person who claims they have been raped use it as an alibi or as a means to gain sympathy in the face of a mistake they feel they have made. They don't expect the people they use it to, to end up going to the police with it, then as was said in the article they end up going along with it until it goes too far then they finally admit it was a lie.
What can be learned from this? Not all false rape allegations are necessarily spiteful or have a victim unless of course someone actually gets prosecuted for it.
There's no reason why rape would be falsely reported any more than any other crime
They believed that woman's 11 false claims, though :/ At least she is now behind bars for it.
Again, the problem with the statistics is that they only account for those who are caught to be liars. It doesn't include those who realise they aren't going to get a prosecution and drop charges which I would guess is the vast majority of people who make up claims.
[QUOTE=Scrappa;39902627]Again, the problem with the statistics is that they only account for those who are caught to be liars. It doesn't include those who realise they aren't going to get a prosecution and drop charges which I would guess is the vast majority of people who make up claims.[/QUOTE]
And what about unreported rapes / rapes that happened and were reported but lacked evidence?
Do you think there are more cases of false rape accusations than those?
The thing everyone seems to overlook here is that false rape accusations aren't some kind of evil we can't do anything about - it's already illegal to falsely accuse someone of a crime
Truth is, that something like that is more likely to go unreported than it is to be falsely reported. Not only is there a stigma about it but .... I think it was said somewhere that most rapes were people who were known to the victim. People who the victim might not want to see get into trouble even though they were hurt real bad. Or they didn't think it was a big deal and don't want to go through long degrading court thingies.
This is pretty depressing stuff overall.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39902661]And what about unreported rapes / rapes that happened and were reported but lacked evidence?
Do you think there are more cases of false rape accusations than those?
The thing everyone seems to overlook here is that false rape accusations aren't some kind of evil we can't do anything about - it's already illegal to falsely accuse someone of a crime[/QUOTE]
The reason false rape accusations tend to be worse than other false accusations is because of the effect that the accusation has on the accused's social life. Word gets around - Bob's a rapist! Even after he clears his name that stigma will stay and severely damage social interaction. If he was accused of a murder people would be hard-pressed to believe it without strong evidence, but rape accusations have immediate social impact that can destroy relationships. Accusations of rape need far less proof than an accusation of robbery or murder or any other crime. That's why they're an issue, even when only a tiny amount are actually prosecuted.
Unreported rapes are obviously a powerful issue as well, but just because one issue is larger than the other doesn't mean that the smaller one should be ignored.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;39902474][URL]http://theenlivenproject.com/the-truth-about-false-accusation/[/URL][/QUOTE]
How do we know there are that many rapists if none of them faced trial?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;39902313]There's no reason why rape would be falsely reported any more than any other crime[/QUOTE]
What makes you say that?
[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;39903931]How do we know there are that many rapists if none of them faced trial?[/QUOTE]
Scientific method.
More specifically, I'd assume anonymous surveys or something like that.
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[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;39903931]What makes you say that?[/QUOTE]
There's still a stigma behind being a victim of sexual assault. You were robbed? Oh, poor you. You were frauded? Oh, poor you. You were beaten and left for dead in a ditch? Oh, poor you. You got raped? Oh, you must have been asking for it, being so easy and skimpy clothes and whatver!
Not word-for-word but the general feeling around it.
From what I remember, I was asked constantly over and over and over again if I was sure I wasn't remembering things wrongly. Eventually they decided it had never happened and brushed it under the carpet. Didn't even go to the police. Well excuse me for being too panicked and wanting to get the fuck out of here to try to memorize verbatim what exactly had happened. Excuse me for being 13 years old and confused and stammering and speech impediments while that bastard who still haunts my fucking dreams was being suave as always. Excuse me for being upset about people making a big deal about 'false accusations' when a lot of sexual abuses like mine aren't even reported.
[QUOTE=Scrappa;39902627]Again, the problem with the statistics is that they only account for those who are caught to be liars. It doesn't include those who realise they aren't going to get a prosecution and drop charges which I would guess is the vast majority of people who make up claims.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but you can't use "I guess" and "majority" in the same sentence when trying to prove an unfounded claim.
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[QUOTE=Dr. Ethan Asia;39903931]How do we know there are that many rapists if none of them faced trial?
What makes you say that?[/QUOTE]
Prove that false rapes are more prevalent than any other false accusation (assault, burglary etc) then we can talk. This stupid myth that there are tons of women out there that just cry rape on a whim needs to stop because in every rape thread someone goes "I bet she's lying" and all that does is stop less rapes from being reported.
Good god, apologies for that last post I posted. I just got real angry and that doesn't happen all that much. I didn't mean to get all poor-pity-me; it just happened.
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