Iran sets up underground rocket factories in Lebanon
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[URL="http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-sets-up-underground-rocket-factories-in-lebanon-report/"]http://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-sets-up-underground-rocket-factories-in-lebanon-report/[/URL]
[QUOTE]Iran has established rocket factories in Lebanon that are under the full control of the Hezbollah terror group, a top Iranian general told a Kuwaiti newspaper.
Citing one of the deputy heads of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, the al-Jarida newspaper reported Monday that Iran in recent months has established factories for manufacturing both rockets and firearms in Lebanon.
The report came just days after Iran’s Defense Minister Hossein Dehghan, a former brigadier general in the IRGC, said Hezbollah is now capable of producing rockets that can hit any part of Israel. Dehghan offered no details of the new capabilities.
The new factories, said to be located underground, have reportedly been in operation for the past three months.
The Iranian general was quoted by al-Jarida as saying that the decision to produce rockets indigenously in Lebanon came after Israel bombed weapons factories in Sudan and supply routes for Iranian rockets via Syria.
Rockets produced by the new facilities have already been used by Hezbollah in battles in Syria, the report said.
The development highlights the depth of Iran’s involvement in Syria and Lebanon. During Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s visit to Moscow last week, he reportedly presented Russian leaders with information acquired by Israel, according to which Iran is seeking to establish a naval base on Syria’s Mediterranean coast, likely in the Latakia area.[/QUOTE]
Does Lebanon want to get invaded/annexed? Because that's how you get invaded/annexed.
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Also, incase your map skills aren't up to par:
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I've read it and it sounds a little dubious.I went to the original source and translate it with Google Translate.From the poor translation i got,they did not provide any physical evidence to back up their claims.Just a bunch of made-up details and the claims of this "unnamed" source.
Edit: here is translated version of the article(sorry for the long speech,that was the full article) and link of said article:
[url]http://www.aljarida.com/articles/1489169584690127000/[/url]
[QUOTE]Amid the growing pressure on Iran from the administration of US President Donald Trump and the Israeli government led by Benjamin Netanyahu, an aide to Iran's Revolutionary Guard commander told the newspaper that Iran had built missile factories and weapons in Lebanon and eventually handed them over to the Lebanese Hezbollah.Commenting on a statement made by Iranian Defense Minister Hussein Dehqan a few days ago, in which he pointed out that the party can now manufacture rockets targeting all Israeli territory, without giving details or clarifications, an informed source, who asked not to be named, said that after Israel destroyed the weapons factory years ago The Iranian in Sudan, who supplied arms to the party, and after the arms supplies destined for it were bombed through Syria, the Revolutionary Guard began a project to establish weapons factories in Lebanon.He pointed out that a special branch was established at the Imam al-Hussein University, which belongs to the Revolutionary Guards in Iran, trains Lebanese and foreign specialists, and has already trained hundreds of specialists.According to the source, these factories are built at depths of more than 50 meters above them different layers of the various barricades so that Israeli aircraft can not hit, and not one factory to manufacture the missiles in full, but are manufactured as separate pieces in different plants and in the end gathered.He added that he began to hand over factories to Hezbollah gradually, and that about three months ago, these factories are under the control of Hezbollah and its full supervision.The source confirmed that the party is able to manufacture various types of missiles with a range of more than 500 kilometers, including surface-to-surface missiles, land-sea, and torpedoes fired from light and fast boats, as well as spy drone aircraft and carrying weapons and rockets, Anti-tank missiles and armor, and fast armored boats.He explained that the weapons manufactured in these factories were tested in the Syrian war and proved their quality, adding that the anti-tank missiles were able to destroy the suicide cars that were attacking the Hezbollah fighters, pointing out that Hezbollah is now making guns and machine guns and ground-based anti-missile launchers and missiles and various bullets, For armor.Statements by this Iranian source may constitute a major embarrassment to Lebanon and a serious violation of its sovereignty. It could also be a direct message to Israel that a strategic strike on Iran's influence in Syria by preventing its Hezbollah ally in Lebanon from becoming a weapon has become more difficult.Al-Jarida was singled out by publishing a front-page article on a US-Israeli plan to counter Iran's influence in Syria, including a threat to strike Iran's interests in Syria.The first response from Tehran was the announcement by the pro-Iraqi Shiite militias that they would open the Golan front against Israel.[/QUOTE]
Now this is a nice little tale.Hahaha
[QUOTE=Sgt.Kickass;51960845]I've read it and it sounds a little dubious.I went to the original source and translate it with Google Translate.From the poor translation i got,they did not provide any physical evidence to back up their claims.Just a bunch of made-up details and the claims of this "unnamed" source.
Edit: here is translated version of the article(sorry for the long speech,that was the full article) and link of said article:
[url]http://www.aljarida.com/articles/1489169584690127000/[/url]
Now this is a nice little tale.Hahaha[/QUOTE]
Considering how Svinnik uses a big portion of his posts to suck Israel's cock and push a narrative, I'm not surprised.
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[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51962052]Considering how Svinnik uses a big portion of his posts to suck Israel's cock and push a narrative, I'm not surprised.[/QUOTE]
wat
Times of Israel is a respectable enough news source.
if it were real, i doubt they'd be talking about it because the israeli's who do have bunker busters would have taken it out already.
[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;51962052]Considering how Svinnik uses a big portion of his posts to suck Israel's cock and push a narrative, I'm not surprised.[/QUOTE]
There's nothing wrong with my posting about Israel. I use only respectable news sources. I often post news articles from Ha'aretz, a publication that I strongly disagree with.
The narrative I push is the reality on the ground. I've spent tons of time learning about this conflict, reading books, talking to Palestinians and Israelis about their perspectives. I can explain to you the entire side from the Palestinian perspective. It's not as simple as evil Jews steal land from poor innocent Palestinians, there's tons of layers to it. There's a religious side to it, there's a cultural side to it, there's an economic side, there's a military side, I can go on and on.
Before you criticize me about the narrative I'm pushing, please educate yourself about the conflict.
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[QUOTE=Sableye;51962332]if it were real, i doubt they'd be talking about it because the israeli's who do have bunker busters would have taken it out already.[/QUOTE]
Hezbollah and Iran are smart, they would have placed these under civilian structures like how Hamas has their HQ under Gaza's main hospital.
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Hezbollah and Iran are smart, they would have placed these under civilian structures like how Hamas has their HQ under Gaza's main hospital.[/QUOTE]
has that ever stopped an israeli airstrike? this is the country that also bombed a nuclear reactor that may or may not have been fueled at the time (thankfully it wasn't) and had no problem taking out rocket magazines under schools and hospitals in the gaza strip
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;51960329]Does Lebanon want to get invaded/annexed? Because that's how you get invaded/annexed.[/QUOTE]
If you think Lebanon herself is somehow putting herself into a situation where it will get invaded/annexed then you possess a very naive and weak understanding of internal Lebanese politics and of Middle Eastern geopolitics in general.
It is probably very wise for the Israelis to ignore Hezbollah for now considering they are the only force that has proven themselves capable of defending Lebanon from ISIS (do not misconstrue this as me showing support for Hezbollah in general) - that is unless Israel wants more of the Syrian conflict right at its backdoor.
Clearly Hezbollah's purpose over the last few years has shifted away from acting as the 'official resistance to Israeli aggression' in south Lebanon and towards repelling the so-called 'takfiris' from the Libano-Syrian border. They are also form a key component of the Iranian attempt to hold onto its sphere of influence in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. It's for this reason that I do not believe it a good idea for the Israelis to consider another Lebanon war. Support for Hezbollah has been in the minority now for a while since July 2006 and more Israeli aggression towards Lebanon will only see their number of supporters bounce back. Why provide Hezbollah with the justification they need for their existence?
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;51968437]If you think Lebanon herself is somehow putting herself into a situation where it will get invaded/annexed then you possess a very naive and weak understanding of internal Lebanese politics and of Middle Eastern geopolitics in general.
It is probably very wise for the Israelis to ignore Hezbollah for now considering they are the only force that has proven themselves capable of defending Lebanon from ISIS (do not misconstrue this as me showing support for Hezbollah in general) - that is unless Israel wants more of the Syrian conflict right at its backdoor.
Clearly Hezbollah's purpose over the last few years has shifted away from acting as the 'official resistance to Israeli aggression' in south Lebanon and towards repelling the so-called 'takfiris' from the Libano-Syrian border. They are also form a key component of the Iranian attempt to hold onto its sphere of influence in Iraq, Syria and Lebanon. It's for this reason that I do not believe it a good idea for the Israelis to consider another Lebanon war. Support for Hezbollah has been in the minority now for a while since July 2006 and more Israeli aggression towards Lebanon will only see their number of supporters bounce back. Why provide Hezbollah with the justification they need for their existence?[/QUOTE]
Israel is concerned with strategic threats, which is why it continues do deny Iranian and Syrian weapon shipments to Hezbollah that it considers "game changers" even now by attacking weapon convoys and military bases in Syria and elsewhere.
As much as Israel is reluctant to get involved in the Syrian civil war or start another fight with Hezbollah it will not allow Iran or Hezbollah to be able to threaten it with more and better missiles.
If there was any truth to this story (the the source really isn't that reliable) then Israel probably has plans drawn out for eliminating these factories.
As far as the Israeli administration is concerned another war with Hezbollah is inevitable anyway, and we can't afford to fight it with them having the ability to actually cause massive damage to Israeli cities this time.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;51968497]Israel is concerned with strategic threats, which is why it continues do deny Iranian and Syrian weapon shipments to Hezbollah that it considers "game changers" even now by attacking weapon convoys and military bases in Syria and elsewhere.
As much as Israel is reluctant to get involved in the Syrian civil war or start another fight with Hezbollah it will not allow Iran or Hezbollah to be able to threaten it with more and better missiles.
If there was any truth to this story (the the source really isn't that reliable) then Israel probably has plans drawn out for eliminating these factories.
As far as the Israeli administration is concerned another war with Hezbollah is inevitable anyway, and we can't afford to fight it with them having the ability to actually cause massive damage to Israeli cities this time.[/QUOTE]
I have no qualms with Israel targetting Iranian weapons shipments to Hezbollah before they get to Lebanon. That's fair game.
I do also think another Hezbollah-Israel war is inevitable but I'd really prefer we don't go for July 2006 no. 2 considering the high amount of civilian deaths (my own could have been very possible) in Lebanon. Both Israel and Hezbollah showed little concern for civilians with the former indiscriminately bombing civilian-populated areas and the latter using them as human shields. The last thing Israel needs is for Lebanese public opinion of them to drastically fall again - especially amongst Christians.
I would definitely consider any kind of invasion or annexation of south Lebanon to be an affront to Lebanese sovereignty regardless of whether or not the Israelis claim the war is strictly against Hezbollah. The majority (or at the very least, a plurality) of Lebanese consider our country to be taken hostage by Hezbollah and the Iranians but we recognise that they are an extremely difficult facet of society to remove and the Israelis exacerbating sectarian tensions will only make it harder for us to depose of them in the future.
[QUOTE=agentalexandre;51968680]I have no qualms with Israel targetting Iranian weapons shipments to Hezbollah before they get to Lebanon. That's fair game.
I do also think another Hezbollah-Israel war is inevitable but I'd really prefer we don't go for July 2006 no. 2 considering the high amount of civilian deaths (my own could have been very possible) in Lebanon. Both Israel and Hezbollah showed little concern for civilians with the former indiscriminately bombing civilian-populated areas and the latter using them as human shields. The last thing Israel needs is for Lebanese public opinion of them to drastically fall again - especially amongst Christians.
I would definitely consider any kind of invasion or annexation of south Lebanon to be an affront to Lebanese sovereignty regardless of whether or not the Israelis claim the war is strictly against Hezbollah. The majority (or at the very least, a plurality) of Lebanese consider our country to be taken hostage by Hezbollah and the Iranians but we recognise that they are an extremely difficult facet of society to remove and the Israelis exacerbating sectarian tensions will only make it harder for us to depose of them in the future.[/QUOTE]
Hey, right there with you man. We definitely don't need another war.
And we both know the next one is going to be way worse than the last one. For both sides.
If I were to take a guess, the reason for this is to supply weapons to the Syrian government, as well as militias aligned with the Syrian government. It's far to risky to have factories for the manufacture of weapons in areas that can be easily overwhelmed and taken over.
[QUOTE=TheMrFailz;51960329]Does Lebanon want to get invaded/annexed? Because that's how you get invaded/annexed.
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lol by who, exactly?
Israel, who doesn't want even more Arab refugees in its borders?
Turkey, who isn't Arab in the slightest and has no reason economically, politically, or culturally to take it?
Syria, who while is the only Arab neighbor, is completely war torn in what's growing to be a decade long civil war?
No one is going to invade or annex Lebanon.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51968909]lol by who, exactly?
Israel, who doesn't want even more Arab refugees in its borders?
Turkey, who isn't Arab in the slightest and has no reason economically, politically, or culturally to take it?
Syria, who while is the only Arab neighbor, is completely war torn in what's growing to be a decade long civil war?
No one is going to invade or annex Lebanon.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately if war does ever break out again between Israel and Hezbollah you'll probably see both sides trying to invade each other.
Hezbollah is supposedly already training units to cross the border and take over Israeli towns, while the relative failure of the IDF to win the last war by relying mostly on air power and limited incursions means next time it will probably open with a massive ground invasion into southern Lebanon.
It will be so bad, man. So bad.
[QUOTE=ScumBunny;51968993]Unfortunately if war does ever break out again between Israel and Hezbollah you'll probably see both sides trying to invade each other.
Hezbollah is supposedly already training units to cross the border and take over Israeli towns, while the relative failure of the IDF to win the last war by relying mostly on air power and limited incursions means next time it will probably open with a massive ground invasion into southern Lebanon.
It will be so bad, man. So bad.[/QUOTE]
I cannot picture Israel occupying Lebanon again for an extended period of time.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;51969027]I cannot picture Israel occupying Lebanon again for an extended period of time.[/QUOTE]
But they might go in, mangle hezbollah then leave.
[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51969062]But they might go in, mangle hezbollah then leave.[/QUOTE]
Probably same idea as the last few rounds in Lebanon and Gaza: move in, do as much damage as possible until the other side begs for international intervention, then negotiate for a truce and pull out.
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