Trump is probing the consequences of firing Jeff Sessions
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[quote=AP]President Donald Trump has spoken with advisers about firing Attorney General Jeff Sessions, as he continues to rage against Sessions’ decision to recuse himself from all matters related to the Russia investigation.
Trump’s intensifying criticism has fueled speculation that Sessions may resign even if Trump opts not to fire him. During an event at the White House, Trump ignored a shouted question about whether Sessions should step down. The attorney general said last week he intended to stay in his post.
If Trump were to fire Sessions, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein would be elevated to the top post on an acting basis. That would leave the president with another attorney general of whom he has been sharply critical in both public and private for his handling of the Russia probe, according to four White House and outside advisers who, like others interviewed, spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.
Sessions and Trump used to be close, sharing both a friendship and an ideology. Sessions risked his reputation when he became the first U.S. senator to endorse the celebrity businessman and his early backing gave Trump legitimacy, especially among the hard-line anti-immigration forces that bolstered his candidacy. Several of Sessions’ top aides now serve in top administration posts, including Stephen Miller, the architect of several of Trump’s signature proposals, including the travel ban and tough immigration policy.[/quote]
[url=https://apnews.com/966ae4f389064b2b90d84b03d260730e/AP-sources:-Trump-speaks-to-advisers-about-firing-Sessions]Source: The Associated Press[/url]
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/889790429398528000[/media]
He went off on him and Hillary again this morning.
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;52505142]He went off on him and Hillary again this morning.[/QUOTE]
It's not a rant if Trump or his supporters don't bring up Hillary somehow.
Trump demands absolute loyalty and offers none at all. He sunk Sean Spicer's career in less than six months, and Sessions is now looking weak and compromised by recusing himself (part of why Trump's so mad) and lending credibility to the Russia affair.
How's he going to find new people to work in his cabinet now that he's demonstrated his inability to take a bit of hurt to shield a subordinate several times? Who's going to accept a job from a man who always makes sure someone else gets the blame? You'd become an Attorney General to a President [B]who is actively claiming the power to pardon himself and his nepotistically-appointed famly members no matter what Mueller brings against him in an investigation that is supposedly a fake news witch hunt over nothing[/B] (and remember that a pardon is explicitly an admission of guilt; if Trump pardoned himself or family for Trump-Russia it would be tantamount to admitting it happened -- Trump attempting to pardon himself for treason would also initiate a constitutional crisis).
Trumples would prefer if Sessions just quit, but he's made it clear he ain't going to do that so Trumplestiltskin will likely just fire him and damn the consequences.
I thought Trump said he didn't care about Clinton anymore after he got elected?
Trump's inner circle shrinks ever smaller. Sessions recused himself because he's included in the investigative scope. He had no choice but to recuse himself of affairs related to that investigation. That Trump is turning on him for doing what he [I]had[/I] to do sets a scary precedent for whoever may follow. Trump says that what he demands is loyalty, but loyalty is a two way street. What he asks for is [I]fealty.[/I]
If I were offered a position within Trump's administration, even if I believe in him politically, I would be extremely hesitant to accept. Anybody who takes that job needs to know that the [I]second[/I] things start looking grim for Trump, he starts pointing fingers and shifting the blame to everyone and anyone around him. Even if I'm doing exactly what I am supposed to be doing, my head could be on his chopping block simply because he needs a new distraction from his improprieties.
If you thought the quality of the members of Trump's administration was bad to start with, wait until you see what it looks like after a few rotations. Nobody with a shred of self-respect or ambition will want to hop on that runaway train, because Trump could throw them on the tracks in a heartbeat, effectively killing their career.
The President is openly preparing to fire the AG for not shielding him from investigation and prosecuting his political opponents
[QUOTE=Ericson666;52505209]I thought Trump said he didn't care about Clinton anymore after he got elected?[/QUOTE]
Things are looking worse for Trump by the day. Clinton is easy to rile people up about, and he feels desperate for a distraction. Turning on the people close to him and pointing out other peoples' alleged improprieties is his desperate and feckless attempt to take control of the narrative. As you said, after his victory (when he was feeling confident) he suddenly "didn't care about that" anymore. Now, when all the walls are closing in around him? Its, "[I]well, what about Clinton?!"[/I]
[QUOTE=Ericson666;52505209]I thought Trump said he didn't care about Clinton anymore after he got elected?[/QUOTE]
He and the GOP can't stop using her as the go-to deflection. [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-the-republicans-just-cant-stop-running-against-hillary-clinton/2017/07/24/cf305a80-6e0a-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html"]They're still fighting the 2016 election even though it was almost nine months ago [I]and they won[/I].[/URL]
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52505235]He and the GOP can't stop using her as the go-to deflection. [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-the-republicans-just-cant-stop-running-against-hillary-clinton/2017/07/24/cf305a80-6e0a-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html"]They're still fighting the 2016 election even though it was almost nine months ago [I]and they won[/I].[/URL][/QUOTE]
[quote]Trump, in many respects, has never stopped reliving last year’s election. He still makes frequent references to his triumph over Clinton, even in official White House speeches. In an interview last week with New York Times reporters, he quickly mentioned Clinton’s failure while first lady to help pass a comprehensive health-care bill.[/quote]
I hate to break it to you, Mr. Trump, but you're not exactly batting a thousand on this either.
the question of how many terms he'll get seems so quaint now, at this rate it's not even clear what government there will be to preside over
Trump brought his turn over rate with him to the white house it seems.
If literally everybody in the world hasn't yet seen how much of a failure this man is I'm not sure what can be done.
"it can't be gross abuse of power because i pardoned myself already."
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52505235]He and the GOP can't stop using her as the go-to deflection. [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-the-republicans-just-cant-stop-running-against-hillary-clinton/2017/07/24/cf305a80-6e0a-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html"]They're still fighting the 2016 election even though it was almost nine months ago [I]and they won[/I].[/URL][/QUOTE]
Maybe it's because they know that they didn't fucking win it; not honestly, at least. Had it not been for Dirty Donny's little deal with the devil, things would have gone very differently.
I hope he goes ahead and fires Sessions. That way Sessions will have no more say in drug policy and Trump will look even more guilty. Win-win.
[QUOTE=UnknownDude;52505358]I hope he goes ahead and fires Sessions. That way Sessions will have no more say in drug policy and Trump will look even more guilty. Win-win.[/QUOTE]
both cruz and guliani are objectively worse than sessions. cruz is a libertarian, bible thumping twat who thinks our criminal justice system isn't already hard enough and guliani has an impressive record of trampling on minorities with stop and frisk, jail for jaywalking, and more
[editline]25th July 2017[/editline]
to clarify, cruz and giuliani are the two supposide frontrunners
[QUOTE=Sableye;52505389]both cruz and guliani are objectively worse than sessions. cruz is a libertarian, bible thumping twat who thinks our criminal justice system isn't already hard enough and guliani has an impressive record of trampling on minorities with stop and frisk, jail for jaywalking, and more
[editline]25th July 2017[/editline]
to clarify, cruz and giuliani are the two supposide frontrunners[/QUOTE]
Explain how sessions is better
[QUOTE=Sableye;52505389]both cruz and guliani are objectively worse than sessions. cruz is a libertarian, bible thumping twat who thinks our criminal justice system isn't already hard enough and guliani has an impressive record of trampling on minorities with stop and frisk, jail for jaywalking, and more
[editline]25th July 2017[/editline]
to clarify, cruz and giuliani are the two supposide frontrunners[/QUOTE]
Sessions does everything both these guys do/did already though (minus the bible thumping?). He was too racist back in the damn 80s to be given a position in Reagan's admin iirc.
This is such a conflicting sensation. I would love to see Sessions go simply because of his beliefs regarding draconian drug policy enforcement; I also am experiencing the schadenfreude of the possibility of Trump causing a massive shitstorm for himself (firing Sessions for more Russia shit, really honing in on Trump's desperate attempts to obstruct investigations into his associates). But this is clearly not okay, obviously. The President is increasingly unstable; this many staffing changes in the first 6 months of his term is deeply troubling for the well being of the nation as a whole.
Watching Trump's fragile psyche crumble around him when he's alone and utterly disgraced in a federal penitentiary will be one of the most exquisite pleasures I'll likely be lucky enough to experience in this life. I've never been one to take pleasure in the suffering of others before, but for one as vile as Donald John Trump, who has reveled in the suffering of others on his behalf all his life, I'll make an exception. For him, few hells are too cruel.
Sessions is a scumbag and it'll be good to see him removed, but the fact that Trump is motivated to fire him for not participating more fully in his boss's coverup and attempt to subvert the law gets me tingling with anticipation for the inevitable impeachment and conviction.
[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;52505235]He and the GOP can't stop using her as the go-to deflection. [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-the-republicans-just-cant-stop-running-against-hillary-clinton/2017/07/24/cf305a80-6e0a-11e7-b9e2-2056e768a7e5_story.html"]They're still fighting the 2016 election even though it was almost nine months ago [I]and they won[/I].[/URL][/QUOTE]
It's not even the election specifically in this case; the whole DNC rigging and Hillary situation that Trump constantly points to is pretty much him following the Republican trend of "Have you seen the other guys?!" motto slinging. It happened with Mueller's public testimony, it happens every other month (or week, even) when Trump or the Republicans have to deflect to something, and so forth and so forth. Rubbing people's noses in their victory is honestly the least of our worries compared to the effective demonization of former competition to shield themselves from criticism.
Don't know if this is warrants another thread but he also called out the acting head of the FBI on Twitter
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/889792764363276288[/media]
which is, unsurprisingly, [URL="http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jul/25/donald-trump/tweet-donald-trump-revives-charge-improper-ties-be/"]a lie[/URL].
Bad idea. Bad, bad, bad. This is not how you reward your earliest and most stalwart supporters. I get that he's a newcomer to politics, but you'd think this would be one of the earliest lessons to learn.
[QUOTE=Chonch;52505712]Bad idea. Bad, bad, bad. This is not how you reward your earliest and most stalwart supporters. I get that he's a newcomer to politics, but you'd think this would be one of the earliest lessons to learn.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure how you're still on this boat.
[editline]25th July 2017[/editline]
did they strap you to the mast and make you weather this storm
[QUOTE=Chonch;52505712]Bad idea. Bad, bad, bad. This is not how you reward your earliest and most stalwart supporters. I get that he's a newcomer to politics, but you'd think this would be one of the earliest lessons to learn.[/QUOTE]
I thought the whole appeal of Trump was that he wasn't a politician? This is how things are when the President isn't a politician. Also, given how many he's tried throwing under the bus already, it should be blatantly obvious El Nanjara Grande doesn't learn. Much like his supporters.
[QUOTE=torres;52505757]I thought the whole appeal of Trump was that he wasn't a politician? This is how things are when the President isn't a politician. Also, given how many he's tried throwing under the bus already, it should be blatantly obvious El Nanjara Grande doesn't learn. Much like his supporters.[/QUOTE]
Don't try to keep up with their mental gymnastics, you won't win
[QUOTE=Chonch;52505712]Bad idea. Bad, bad, bad. This is not how you reward your earliest and most stalwart supporters. I get that he's a newcomer to politics, but you'd think this would be one of the earliest lessons to learn.[/QUOTE]
"Trump couldn't possibly do something [I]that[/I] dumb!" says increasingly baffled supporter.
This is a very good thing you guys, it's the first time Trump has ever thought about the consequences of his actions before acting.
[QUOTE=IKTM;52505783]"Trump couldn't possibly do something [I]that[/I] dumb!" says increasingly baffled supporter.[/QUOTE]
Three hours later:
"It was actually a brilliant decision, when you think about it, because... Well, I can't think of a 'because,' but boy did it make those liberals mad!"
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