• Obamacare rescue ruled out by some states, others weigh options
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Obamacare rescue ruled out by some states, others weigh options Ruters Via Yahoo News [quote]Five Republican state governors say they will not rescue a crucial part of Obamacare if it is struck down by the Supreme Court, underlining the prospect for a chaotic aftermath to a ruling that could force millions of Americans to pay much more for coverage or lose their health insurance. The Supreme Court is due to hear opening arguments in the case known as King v. Burwell on March 4, marking the second major challenge to President Barack Obama’s Affordable Care Act (ACA) after the justices ruled in 2012 against a claim that it was unconstitutional. The latest case tests the tax-credit subsidies at the core of Obamacare.[/quote] [quote] Six states - Delaware, Maine, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Dakota and Virginia – are discussing contingency plans to keep the subsidies but each faces substantial logistical or political barriers, according to officials. Ten states did not respond to Reuters queries, while three others had no comment. Iowa, Wyoming, Oklahoma and West Virginia said they were not currently considering setting up exchanges; Alaska said it has not ruled it out; and Arkansas said it was moving toward creating a state exchange in 2017. [/quote] [quote]Health policy experts say the most likely fix to a ruling against the administration would involve a new type of partnership with the federal government or between states. Maine and Delaware have considered a model in which the state creates the exchange in name but still relies on the federal government’s technology systems to run it. Marketplaces for Nevada, New Mexico and Oregon have operated in that fashion. But experts say this model could be rejected by the Supreme Court, because the ACA does not list the federal government as an entity with which states can contract for exchange services.[/quote] [quote]“A state-based exchange from scratch in six months is probably not doable. We’re trying to see what other states are doing and what may work and may not work,” said Eric Cioppa, Maine's leading insurance official.[/quote] Full Article: [url]http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-rescue-ruled-states-others-weigh-options-060351006--finance.html[/url]
There are many easy ways to address this issue, but it's in the Republican party's interest to cause dysfunction in preparation for 2016.
I don't see any way the Supreme Court actually rules to gut a law they already upheld once...especially based on a ludicrous technicality. 3/4 "plaintiffs" in the case don't even live in the district it was filed in, and none of them have a reasonable claim to "injury" from the ACA. This has got to be the most mean-spirited asshole lawsuit I've ever seen in my entire life. It has no motive other than making health insurance more expensive and less attainable for Americans. The law was passed by Congress, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. It's been six years. It's brought health coverage to something like 10 million people, and more enroll every day. This law is a good thing for our country and the Republican Party and their lawyers need to fucking stop already.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47162750]I don't see any way the Supreme Court actually rules to gut a law they already upheld once...especially based on a ludicrous technicality. 3/4 "plaintiffs" in the case don't even live in the district it was filed in, and none of them have a reasonable claim to "injury" from the ACA. This has got to be the most mean-spirited asshole lawsuit I've ever seen in my entire life. It has no motive other than making health insurance more expensive and less attainable for Americans. The law was passed by Congress, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. It's been six years. It's brought health coverage to something like 10 million people, and more enroll every day. This law is a good thing for our country and the Republican Party and their lawyers need to fucking stop already.[/QUOTE] i think the more scary reality is that there are people that actually believe that repealing the ACA is a good idea that's not even because of malice, that's because of a lack of understanding, by both policymakers and voters alike
Oh, Glaber's emerged from hibernation again.
Well this is a matter of a national health system, Plus I don't know how many of you could actually be affected if the court rules that the federal government can't give out subsidies.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;47167695]obamacare in its current form is trash and butts yes it helps some people but it also hurts people who don't really go to the doctor ever it needs a better implementation i.e. actual socialized healthcare and not sucking private insurers dicks[/QUOTE] I'm all for healthcare reform, but don't cram it down my fucking throat.
Why does America always shit the bed when it comes to health care?
[QUOTE=Rapscallion92;47170647]Why does America always shit the bed when it comes to health care?[/QUOTE] because private interest groups are paying an enormous amount of money to our politicians to ensure that the health insurance industry isn't legislated out of existence.
You Americans should just do it like we do in Australia, a 1.5% levy with an additional 1% levy for everyone who earns over $70,000 a year and just let it cover everyone and make it you don't have to pay it if you want a private insurance company. America seems to have a really confusing and fucked up nationalised medical system, seems to be your Republicans fault.
[QUOTE=Best4bond;47170677]You Americans should just do it like we do in Australia, a 1.5% levy with an additional 1% levy for everyone who earns over $70,000 a year and just let it cover everyone and make it you don't have to pay it if you want a private insurance company. America seems to have a really confusing and fucked up nationalised medical system, seems to be your Republicans fault.[/QUOTE] It is almost directly the Republicans' fault, but the root of the problem is the two party system in general.
[QUOTE=Best4bond;47170677]You Americans should just do it like we do in Australia, a 1.5% levy with an additional 1% levy for everyone who earns over $70,000 a year and just let it cover everyone and make it you don't have to pay it if you want a private insurance company. America seems to have a really confusing and fucked up nationalised medical system, seems to be your Republicans fault.[/QUOTE] Making rich people pay to keep poor people alive? That's handouts and class warfare! :downs:
Now hold on, it's not Just the fault of the Republicans. The Democrats aren't exactly perfect as it seems like people here keep trying to say they are. In fact the ACA was passed without being read. That's just as bad as signing something that you haven't read. In fact, it's because of not reading the bill before passing it that the Federal Subsidies are now in danger. If it was read, this could have been caught and fixed.
fuck ohio's on that list i should write a mean letter to my state rep now. this is such a bullshit lawsuit too, litterally everyone who wrote the bill testified exactly what the exchanges were meant to do, the republican argument is that the bill doesn't say the feds can setup exchanges, even though the language is not specific at all about it
[QUOTE=Glaber;47174889]Now hold on, it's not Just the fault of the Republicans. The Democrats aren't exactly perfect as it seems like people here keep trying to say they are. In fact the ACA was passed without being read. That's just as bad as signing something that you haven't read. In fact, it's because of not reading the bill before passing it that the Federal Subsidies are now in danger. If it was read, this could have been caught and fixed.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU[/media]
[QUOTE=Glaber;47174889]Now hold on, it's not Just the fault of the Republicans. The Democrats aren't exactly perfect as it seems like people here keep trying to say they are. In fact the ACA was passed without being read. That's just as bad as signing something that you haven't read. In fact, it's because of not reading the bill before passing it that the Federal Subsidies are now in danger. If it was read, this could have been caught and fixed.[/QUOTE] While ya that was a huge gaffe, the ACA was poured over by hundreds of analysts from both sides of the isle, the republicans even could have built this language in or at the very least noted it for future fights, as it stands I think the republicans know at least a list of every possible point of legal shenanigans in that bill and intend to continue going down the list until they have control over the presidents pen. This isn't even a loophole, it's a semantically argument that should have been thrown out by any judge but since the republicans are throwing their weight behind it they convinced at least a couple judges to send the case upwards
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;47162750]I don't see any way the Supreme Court actually rules to gut a law they already upheld once...especially based on a ludicrous technicality. 3/4 "plaintiffs" in the case don't even live in the district it was filed in, and none of them have a reasonable claim to "injury" from the ACA. This has got to be the most mean-spirited asshole lawsuit I've ever seen in my entire life. It has no motive other than making health insurance more expensive and less attainable for Americans. The law was passed by Congress, signed by the President, and upheld by the Supreme Court. It's been six years. It's brought health coverage to something like 10 million people, and more enroll every day. This law is a good thing for our country and the Republican Party and their lawyers need to fucking stop already.[/QUOTE] then why has insurance been inconsistent in the "more affordable" field? Why the hell are we being forced to buy it or pay tax penalties? Why should we let insurance companies enjoy the benefits of government protectionism?
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