• Black Lives Matter claims child was pepper-sprayed during protest; investigation ordered
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[quote]The police chief in Minneapolis has ordered an investigation into reports a child was pepper-sprayed by an officer during a demonstration over a police shooting in Madison, Wis. The group Black Lives Matter Minneapolis claims a 10-year-old was among those police sprayed with a chemical irritant as dozens of people marched downtown Wednesday night. Police have not said whether officers used pepper spray on the crowd. But Minneapolis Police Chief Janee Harteau said in a statement that the group's concerns would be investigated.[/quote] [url]http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_28114236/black-lives-matter-claims-child-was-pepper-sprayed[/url]
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*all* lives matter
[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;47723956][img]https://a.pomf.se/kytqnx.png[/img] Why?[/QUOTE] Because of posts like that.
[QUOTE=cody8295;47723986]*all* lives matter[/QUOTE] Not what we're focusing on. Black lives is the priority at the moment. White lives have never been in danger from the police on a macro scale.
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;47724092]Not what we're focusing on. Black lives is the priority at the moment. White lives have never been in danger from the police on a macro scale.[/QUOTE] I can't take you seriously when you say something like "Black lives is the priority at the moment."
[QUOTE=cody8295;47723986]*all* lives matter[/QUOTE] That's not really relevant, is it? This movement didn't arise as a result of police mistreating [I]all[/I] people, it arose because of the police mistreatment of [I]black[/I] people. A more apt name might be "Black Lives Matter [I]Too,[/I]" but that's just being picky.
I didn't mean to derail this thread in the very first reply, sorry. On topic - I personally find it likely that this happened, but personal convictions aside, I just hope they put actual [i]effort[/i] into the investigation. If this didn't happen, well, at least they will have made sure it didn't.
Whats a child doing in a demonstration anyways? fucking idiot parents.
[QUOTE=dunkace;47724162]Whats a child doing in a demonstration anyways? fucking idiot parents.[/QUOTE] If you bring a child to a protest that is bound to get violent, then you're really misdirecting your hatred if anything happens to them. I don't think cops target any child directly and spew pepper spray in their face on purpose
[QUOTE=Jackald;47724198]What about mass murderers? Do their lives matter? [editline]14th May 2015[/editline] Did Stalin's life matter?[/QUOTE] It doesn't matter because the whole "ALL lives matter" thing is just an attempt to pull the spotlight away from the struggles of racism and marginalize the movement. It literally screams of "but pay attention to ME! I'm not involved but I'm important too!"
"this is your fault"
The child didnt get hit purposefully people. If someone was in a wheelchair and happened to catch some spray because of someone else the title would be "Police pepper spray handicap person" Pepper spray is the devil. It goes everywhere and catches everyone. Which is why its great for crowds
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;47724092]Not what we're focusing on. Black lives is the priority at the moment. White lives have never been in danger from the police on a macro scale.[/QUOTE] What the hell is this, every race takes care of it's own except whites because some ultraretardedidioticpurgable inferiority complex
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[QUOTE=cody8295;47723986]*all* lives matter[/QUOTE] Do you people want me to post the comic again?
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47724112]That's not really relevant, is it? This movement didn't arise as a result of police mistreating [I]all[/I] people, it arose because of the police mistreatment of [I]black[/I] people. A more apt name might be "Black Lives Matter [I]Too,[/I]" but that's just being picky.[/QUOTE] Except for the fact that all people are mistreated by police It's just that nobody fucking cares if they aren't black
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47724112]That's not really relevant, is it? This movement didn't arise as a result of police mistreating [I]all[/I] people, it arose because of the police mistreatment of [I]black[/I] people. A more apt name might be "Black Lives Matter [I]Too,[/I]" but that's just being picky.[/QUOTE] I think some groups of people get really ansy unless they're included in everything.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47724112]That's not really relevant, is it? This movement didn't arise as a result of police mistreating [I]all[/I] people, it arose because of the police mistreatment of [I]black[/I] people. A more apt name might be "Black Lives Matter [I]Too,[/I]" but that's just being picky.[/QUOTE] I think the name as the same problem as "feminism" because, while the original goal of the movement is equality, it gets misrepresented by the fringes which in turn poison the image of the entire movement to some degree. Using a name which is unmistakably for equality makes it much harder for those fringe groups to associate their own agenda with the movement.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;47724680]The child didnt get hit purposefully people. If someone was in a wheelchair and happened to catch some spray because of someone else the title would be "Police pepper spray handicap person" Pepper spray is the devil. It goes everywhere and catches everyone. Which is why its great for crowds[/QUOTE] I didn't blow that kid up grenades explode all over the place not my fault he was hit by it.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47724983]I think the name as the same problem as "feminism" because, while the original goal of the movement is equality, it gets misrepresented by the fringes which in turn poison the image of the entire movement to some degree. Using a name which is unmistakably for equality makes it much harder for those fringe groups to associate their own agenda with the movement.[/QUOTE] Outside of groups of racists nobody is seeing the name "black lives matter" and actually thinking WELL WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEEEeee
[QUOTE=TheJunction;47724942]God damn, are we really entering another era of racial tension? This shouldn't have even come about, i mean god damn both sides are just perpetuating the fucking problem, with the black community apparently completely blind to the image modern "thug culture" puts out, and the already apparent tension just making both sides more and more agitated, paranoid, and racist. And I don't mean to downplay the situation, i full well understand its far more complicated than that. But what the hell is the damned solution? It seems as though this is a situation that can only get worse unless everyone manages to collectively pull their heads out their ass. It also makes me It also makes me wonder what kind of world i'm stepping into, in less than a year i'll be working as a cop in boston. What the hell will that be like? Will I be distrusted by the very people i'm working to keep safe?[/QUOTE] I really can't stand when people use the term "black community" as a synonym for "thug culture." It marginalizes the entire race by purposefully choosing the worst of the entire race as the "example" for the rest of them. Is black culture jazz musicians playing in upscale restaurants? No, it's [I]always[/I] the criminal thugs glorified by hip-hop. Every time. Zero regard for any other option. White culture isn't meth-addled assholes shooting their inbred sisters in trailer parks. Why the fuck do people treat the "black community" as if it's entirely, 100% defined by the lowest of the low of all black people? It's an inherently racist term. People don't talk about "asian culture" referring entirely to drugged out filipinos living in slums. People don't talk about "hispanic culture" like that, or "the white community." The entire idea that the "black community" needs to step up and make up for the actions of the lowest of the low of their race is an inherently marginalizing and racist point of view. As a white person, I never feel the need to apologize and make up for the actions of meth users hiding in abandoned buildings. I never feel like I should have to apologize for the actions of other white people. Why do people seem to think black people, as a whole, need to do this? The vast majority of black people aren't "thugs," and the fact that people somehow don't think it's racist to pigeonhole an entire race into one "community" and then use that "community" to scapegoat why it's okay to hate the "culture," is amazing to me.
[QUOTE=Levithan;47724959]Do you people want me to post the comic again?[/QUOTE] Oh, TWO SJ comics missing the point today! "All lives matter" isn't wanting to send the fire department to houses that aren't on fire, it's wanting to send the fire department to burning houses regardless of whether they're owned by white people or PoC. [I]Individually.[/I] Police brutality isn't something that disproportionally affects whites, [I]obviously[/I]. But when you only (or primarily) care about police brutality affecting black people - which is what people saying "black lives matter" do - then you're being discriminatory. That police routinely use force without justification is a problem in and of itself, and when you make an admittedly large subset of it your priority, you've got some nasty priorities.
[QUOTE=Covalent;47724185]If you bring a child to a protest that is bound to get violent, then you're really misdirecting your hatred if anything happens to them. I don't think cops target any child directly and spew pepper spray in their face on purpose[/QUOTE] uhh there's no evidence that the protest was violent
[QUOTE=ossumsauce;47724092]Not what we're focusing on. Black lives is the priority at the moment. White lives have never been in danger from the police on a macro scale.[/QUOTE] Neither are black lives.
[QUOTE=katbug;47724967]Except for the fact that all people are mistreated by police It's just that nobody fucking cares if they aren't black[/QUOTE] Yeah man white people definitely have it just as bad discrimination doesn't exist :downs:
[QUOTE=Zeke129;47725708]Outside of groups of racists nobody is seeing the name "black lives matter" and actually thinking WELL WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEEEeee[/QUOTE] That wasn't what I was getting at; it isn't about the people on the outside at all, it's about the possibility of fringe groups within performing actions which contradict the goal(s) of the movement, but not the name. For example, if some individuals under the banner of "black lives matter" go and kill some white police officers in "protest" then people can easily start to associate the entire movement with these fringe groups because the fringe groups are often the loudest. This has happened with feminism, where fringe groups push for a women over men or us vs. them mentality, rather than the equality the original movement was for, and as a result people start to associate feminism in general with the mentalities of these fringe groups. When someone says they are a feminist you don't really know what they mean because the goals of the movement has been muddied. The point is, if (for example) the feminist movement was called the equality movement or something, it would be much harder for those prescribing inequality to use the banner of the movement because even the name highlights the conflicts.
[QUOTE=DaMastez;47727536]That wasn't what I was getting at; it isn't about the people on the outside at all, it's about the possibility of fringe groups within performing actions which contradict the goal(s) of the movement, but not the name. For example, if some individuals under the banner of "black lives matter" go and kill some white police officers in "protest" then people can easily start to associate the entire movement with these fringe groups because the fringe groups are often the loudest. This has happened with feminism, where fringe groups push for a women over men or us vs. them mentality, rather than the equality the original movement was for, and as a result people start to associate feminism in general with the mentalities of these fringe groups. When someone says they are a feminist you don't really know what they mean because the goals of the movement has been muddied. The point is, if (for example) the feminist movement was called the equality movement or something, it would be much harder for those prescribing inequality to use the banner of the movement because even the name highlights the conflicts.[/QUOTE] This happens to literally every movement. The occupy protests were discredited because of dumbasses who said they were there just to smoke weed and protest for some reason. It's not up to any single entity to specifically define what their movement is. There's dozens of organizations that are protesting police brutality towards black individuals. I'm part of exactly zero of them, but I still support their cause. It's up to the people watching the movement to think "hey maybe the person killing the cops isn't exactly representative of the whole movement." Pointing fingers at the people who do dumb shit in the name of a movement is the fastest way to discredit it, which is idiotic - movements like this don't have membership fees and registered members. They're amorphous and everyone who wants to be is a part of it. Nobody registers as members of whatever social movements they prescribe to, so if they misunderstand it and act on it in a dumb way, why does that define everyone else in the movement that does understand it?
[QUOTE=amute;47726999]Neither are black lives.[/QUOTE] There is such an overwhelmingly huge mountain of proof that you're wrong that it's almost embarrassing pointing it out.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;47724112]That's not really relevant, is it? This movement didn't arise as a result of police mistreating [I]all[/I] people, it arose because of the police mistreatment of [I]black[/I] people. A more apt name might be "Black Lives Matter [I]Too,[/I]" but that's just being picky.[/QUOTE] Thank you, what i was trying to put into words.
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