Customer Shoots Armed Robber at South Carolina Waffle Restaurant
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Source: [url]http://news.yahoo.com/customer-shoots-robbery-suspect-sc-waffle-shop-043855274.html[/url] [quote]Authorities say a customer at a South Carolina Waffle shop pulled a gun and shot one of two men trying to rob the restaurant. The Greenville News reports ([url]http://grnol.co/AkoQDk[/url] ) that the shooting took place early Saturday morning inside a Waffle Shop off Interstate 85 in Spartanburg County. Coroner Rusty Clevenger identified the dead man as 19-year-old Dante Lamont Williams of Roebuck, who was shot in the head and body. Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright declined to identity the customer, citing concerns for his safety. Authorities said the customer had a concealed weapon permit and tried to hold the two men at gunpoint until officers arrived, but that one suspect began to point his gun at the customer, who then fired shots. The second robber fled and is being sought by authorities.[/quote] This is a great story.
I really hope it was a Waffle House.
Waffle houses are the shit.
And this is why having a gun is a good thing. When's the last time you read the story "7 killed in self defense restaurant shootout"?
And yes, criminals can easily get guns even if they're illegal.
Thats one more piece of shit that we no longer have to deal with, great job buddy
Tip for armed robberies:
When somebody has a gun pointed at you and is going to hand you over to the police, don't pull your own gun on him. It's probably a really bad idea to out-draw somebody who's already drawn.
[editline]Now that I've thought about it a bit...[/editline]
Then again, robbing a restaurant probably isn't super smart either, even if you're going to rob some food too. Seriously, nobody can be [i]that[/i] hungry.
[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;34396261][editline]Now that I've thought about it a bit...[/editline]
Then again, robbing a restaurant probably isn't super smart either, even if you're going to rob some food too. Seriously, nobody can be [i]that[/i] hungry.[/QUOTE]
Lots of wallets...
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A headshot? Really?
Thats a bit excessive don't you think? :/
[QUOTE=shad0w440;34396318]Why did he aim for the head?[/QUOTE]
They teach you that when you're gonna shoot someone, you don't shoot to maim. You shoot to incapacitate.
Besides, it's a life or death situation, he's starting to point a gun at you, no reason to hold back.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;34396020]And this is why having a gun is a good thing. When's the last time you read the story "7 killed in self defense restaurant shootout"?
And yes, criminals can easily get guns even if they're illegal.[/QUOTE]
Waffles can be a deadly weapon if used correctly
i swear to god, please don't start the 12 years old lol waffles!!! :3 epic!11 shit.
[QUOTE=Foogooman;34396020]And this is why having a gun is a good thing. When's the last time you read the story "7 killed in self defense restaurant shootout"?
And yes, criminals can easily get guns even if they're illegal.[/QUOTE]
People taking the law into their own hands is never a good thing. I'm all for self defense where appropriate, and that he prevented the robbery and (I assume) prevented himself from being shot here is awesome but this does not mean having a gun "is a good thing". There are plenty of cases showcasing why people having a gun is bad. I'm not saying guns should be prohibited but they should be tightly regulated, and even then I would not say it's a good thing to have one.
Now that's some great justice.
I wish the same could've happened here in Estonia, but most probably you'd still get prosecuted and might even get jailed :v:
God Bless American 2nd Amendment.
[QUOTE=faze;34395935]Source:
"who was shot in the head and body"
"the customer had a concealed weapon permit"
"but that one suspect began to point his gun at the customer, who then fired shots. "
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This is wild speculation but he sounds like he could be a solider. He fired only two shots, one to the head and one to the chest and killed the suspect, it's like a Failure to Stop Drill. They teach it to you in the Marines, not sure about the other branches. If not a soldier he sounds like a really responsible citizen.
[editline]26th January 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34396471]People taking the law into their own hands is never a good thing. I'm all for self defense where appropriate, and that he prevented the robbery and (I assume) prevented himself from being shot here is awesome but this does not mean having a gun "is a good thing". There are plenty of cases showcasing why people having a gun is bad. I'm not saying guns should be prohibited but they should be tightly regulated, and even then I would not say it's a good thing to have one.[/QUOTE]
I disagree, because a few states already have "tightly regulated" gun control laws and so far all they've done is kept the average person from gaining access to firearms.
I'd love to get a handgun permit and conceal carry permit. New York State makes it nearly impossible to get a handgun permit and for all intent and purposes it's IMPOSSIBLE to get conceal carry around here unless you're a cop or something. They simply WILL NOT give it to you. Because you need a reason to want to defend yourself apparently. So, I don't have either.
Now though. Let's say I REALLY wanted a gun and I didn't care about the law. Like if I was going to commit a crime and I didn't want to be in the system anyway. It's insanely easy for me to buy a gun illegally. It's literally as easy as going onto a gun forum, finding the "For Sale" sections and finding someone who will sell you one. If you put the gun in a box and pack it up good UPS, USPS, Fedex etc. never open the package to check and within a week I'll have a gun. Just like that, conceal carry permit? It's called my waist band and I don't have to spend years fighting the system for a piece of paper that says I can do it.
I however respect the law enough not to break it, even if I strongly disagree with it and I may get robbed leaving work at 3AM over it. New York is so backwards. Even people who think guns are a danger to society usually endorse nonlethal weapons but in New York Mace, Batons, Pepper Spray and Tasers are all illegal too.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;34396540]This is wild speculation but he sounds like he could be a solider. He fired only two shots, one to the head and one to the chest and killed the suspect, it's like a Failure to Stop Drill. They teach it to you in the Marines, not sure about the other branches. If not a soldier he sounds like a really responsible citizen.[/QUOTE]
He is a good shot, but that isn't how you do it.
You have the double tap, which sounds similar to what happened here, but the double tap is always two shots to the same general location and almost universally aimed at the chest.
And then you have the triple tap, or Mozambique drill, which is the true failure to stop maneuver. There you follow up a double tap to the chest with an attempt to line your sights up on the target's head. If the head is there, you shoot a third time, if it isn't then the target has likely been stopped and is on the ground.
One in the chest and one in the head is NOT efficient. Virtually always a minimum of two in the chest for professionals.
EDIT: Really I should note that in reality all this is a bunch of bullshit. I'd guess the overwhelming majority of folks just dump four or five rounds into the target's chest.
I probably got the watered down version. I took a Combat Engagement Course that was hosted by a Marine and Failure to Stop Drills was something he had us practice. Hammered Pair, Double Tap etc.
If I recall the famous shot that killed Osama was a Failure to Stop Drill (I'll just keep calling the two shots, head and chest this for the record) but I'm not sure it was intended to be one, I think it was a double tap and luck just happened that the bullets hit those spots.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;34396540]
I disagree, because a few states already have "tightly regulated" gun control laws and so far all they've done is kept the average person from gaining access to firearms.
I'd love to get a handgun permit and conceal carry permit. New York State makes it nearly impossible to get a handgun permit and for all intent and purposes it's IMPOSSIBLE to get conceal carry around here unless you're a cop or something. They simply WILL NOT give it to you. Because you need a reason to want to defend yourself apparently. So, I don't have either.
Now though. Let's say I REALLY wanted a gun and I didn't care about the law. Like if I was going to commit a crime and I didn't want to be in the system anyway. It's insanely easy for me to buy a gun illegally. It's literally as easy as going onto a gun forum, finding the "For Sale" sections and finding someone who will sell you one. If you put the gun in a box and pack it up good UPS, USPS, Fedex etc. never open the package to check and within a week I'll have a gun. Just like that, conceal carry permit? It's called my waist band and I don't have to spend years fighting the system for a piece of paper that says I can do it.
I however respect the law enough not to break it, even if I strongly disagree with it and I may get robbed leaving work at 3AM over it. New York is so backwards. Even people who think guns are a danger to society usually endorse nonlethal weapons but in New York Mace, Batons, Pepper Spray and Tasers are all illegal too.[/QUOTE]
They have also prevented a ton of accidents, and possibly crimes. I don't get the whole US fascination with guns anyway. Other countries get by perfectly fine without guns (they're almost entirely prohibited here), yet pro-gun people in the US keep saying not having a gun is bad.
[QUOTE=GunFox;34396607]EDIT: Really I should note that in reality all this is a bunch of bullshit. I'd guess the overwhelming majority of folks just dump four or five rounds into the target's chest.[/QUOTE]Or thirty, if you want to be a son of a bitch and have ridiculously huge magazines sticking out of some Glock.
I don't care who or what the target is, thirty bullets makes things dead and not scary anymore.
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34396695]They have also prevented a ton of accidents, and possibly crimes. I don't get the whole US fascination with guns anyway. Other countries get by perfectly fine without guns (they're almost entirely prohibited here), yet pro-gun people in the US keep saying not having a gun is bad.[/QUOTE]
We have a different culture in America, a different breed of crime and people. In Japan the Police blow a whistle and it literally stops crime, in America they'd laugh at you and go on with their business.
You can't use things that could have potentially happened as proof of progress, especially accidents and crimes. But, what I think you should do is neglect to comment on American topics such as these since you can't really have an accurate picture of things unless you live here. Unless you spend a lot of time researching and studying the impact of gun culture in America at least.
I know the basics of Norwegian politics, but would I ever go into a thread with people arguing about Anders Breivik motives because without being part of their society, by being a third party I can't make any informed opinion.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;34396962]We have a different culture in America, a different breed of crime and people. In Japan the Police blow a whistle and it literally stops crime, in America they'd laugh at you and go on with their business.
You can't use things that could have potentially happened as proof of progress, especially accidents and crimes. But, what I think you should do is neglect to comment on American topics such as these since you can't really have an accurate picture of things unless you live here.
I know the basics of Norwegian politics, but would I ever go into a thread with people arguing about Anders Breivik motives because without being part of their society, by being a third party I can't make any informed opinion.[/QUOTE]
Simply blowing a whistle won't work here in the Netherlands either. I just mean, a lot of the reasons I heard that people want everybody to have a gun in America apply to other countries as well, they have tighter gun control and it's nowhere near as big a problem as it is over there.
I suppose you could say my question/position is: What [b]is[/b] the fascination with guns in America? Why is it that (as far as I'm aware) most western countries have tighter gun control than the US and a small minority has problems with it yet in America people get up in arms at even the suggestion of tightening the laws even a tiny bit?
[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;34397053]
I suppose you could say my question/position is: What [b]is[/b] the fascination with guns in America? [/QUOTE]
I think it has to do with a mix of culture and history. Our right to bear arms has been around as long as our country has, so it could be a sort of point of pride. Secondly, it could be a holdover from our frontier days, where you absolutely had to have a gun to get by. A lot of people who still live in rural areas today own guns, and for good reason (hunting, protecting livestock, etc.) Finally, and I don't know if this makes it overseas, but American culture is full of guns. TV shows, movies, video games, even books; someone is always carrying a gun.
Of course, these are my speculations. I am an American and a gun owner, and it is kinda hard to say exactly why I felt the need to buy a gun other than I wanted to and I could.
If you're really curious about this question, I'd recommend checking out this website/book. This photographer went all around America taking pictures of gun owners, their families, and their weapons, and he asked each one why they own guns. It's really interesting, and can be seen as either a celebration or a condemnation of our obsession with guns: [url]http://www.armedamerica.org/[/url]
Personally, I don't see this as a good thing. A 19 year old had to die because some guy wanted to be a hero and save someone a few dollars. Chances are no one was gonna get hurt if he left well enough alone. I'm sure you could say it was the guys own fault for doing it but you don't know what his financial situation was, or if he actually needed the money or not(neither can I for that matter, but still).
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34398427]Personally, I don't see this as a good thing. A 19 year old had to die because some guy wanted to be a hero and save someone a few dollars. Chances are no one was gonna get hurt if he left well enough alone. I'm sure you could say it was the guys own fault for doing it but you don't know what his financial situation was, or if he actually needed the money or not(neither can I for that matter, but still).[/QUOTE]
Uh the 19 year old had a gun, and apparently had the intent of using it since he pointed his gun at the good samaritan. Stop being so sensitive and politically correct. This 19 year old was a piece of shit, and is part of the reason our society is falling apart.
Omg so gut he killed a 19 year old.
Seriously, noone knows if anyone would've gotten hurt if he didn't pull out a gun.
Even during a robbery noone should die. Not even the robber.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;34398576]Omg so gut he killed a 19 year old.
Seriously, noone knows if anyone would've gotten hurt if he didn't pull out a gun.
Even during a robbery noone should die. Not even the robber.[/QUOTE]
You shoot to incapacitate. If he dies, that's his fault. He shouldn't be out committing armed robberies. Better him than anyone else. Do you really want to stand around and find out if he is going to fire his weapon? I wouldn't I'd rather put a potential danger out of service. Wouldn't you?
[QUOTE=Jake Nukem;34398427]Personally, I don't see this as a good thing. A 19 year old had to die because some guy wanted to be a hero and save someone a few dollars. Chances are no one was gonna get hurt if he left well enough alone. I'm sure you could say it was the guys own fault for doing it but you don't know what his financial situation was, or if he actually needed the money or not(neither can I for that matter, but still).[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=faze;34398596]You shoot to incapacitate. If he dies, that's his fault. He shouldn't be out committing armed robberies. Better him than anyone else. Do you really want to stand around and find out if he is going to fire his weapon? I wouldn't I'd rather put a potential danger out of service. Wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]
No, you pull that gun out and you shoot it, you are shooting to kill. You never shoot to wound someone. Non lethal weapons are shoot to incapacitate.
Most people don't mean to kill someone in these kinds of robberies. The whole reason the 19 y/o probably had the weapon was to get it over quickly as possible with as little trouble as possible.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;34398710]No, you pull that gun out and you shoot it, you are shooting to kill. You never shoot to wound someone. Non lethal weapons are shoot to incapacitate.[/QUOTE]
When you take self defense courses, you are taught to shoot to incapacitate.
[QUOTE=The Vman;34396330]They teach you that when you're gonna shoot someone, you don't shoot to maim. You shoot to incapacitate.
Besides, it's a life or death situation, he's starting to point a gun at you, no reason to hold back.[/QUOTE]
They also teach you to aim for the center mass, the chest. It's the largest target and is less likely to move quickly (unlike limbs that are small and fast).
[QUOTE=faze;34398918]When you take self defense courses, you are taught to shoot to incapacitate.[/QUOTE]
If the situation escalates to the point where I have to pull a lethal weapon out to protect myself or someone else I am not going to try and wound you. I am going to end your life before you can hurt else or anyone else that I'm protecting.
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