• Pipeline spills 176,000 gallons of crude into creek about 150 miles from Dakota Access protest camp
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[QUOTE]North Dakota officials estimate more than 176,000 gallons of crude oil leaked from the Belle Fourche Pipeline into the Ash Coulee Creek. State environmental scientist Bill Suess says a landowner discovered the spill on Dec. 5 near the city of Belfield, which is roughly 150 miles from the epicenter of the Dakota Access pipeline protest camps. The leak was contained within hours of the its discovery, Wendy Owen, a spokeswoman for Casper, Wyoming-based True Cos., which operates the Belle Fourche pipeline, told CNBC. It's not yet clear why electronic monitoring equipment didn't detect the leak, Owen told the Asssociated Press.[/QUOTE] [URL]http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/12/pipeline-spills-176000-gallons-of-crude-into-creek-about-150-miles-from-dakota-access-protest-camp.html[/URL]
someone should give that spill a word or two, doesn't it know that oil pipelines are safe??
What convenient timing for it to spill so close to the protests, and their electronics didn't capture it hmmmm
So about 18 tanker trucks of oil, thats a lot of oil.
I find this highly suspicious given the timing, location, electronic detection failures, and history of semi-radical actions by protesters. It just seems a little [I]too [/I]perfect. "The 6-inch steel Belle Fourche pipeline is mostly underground but was built above ground where it crosses Ash Coulee Creek (the site of the leak)"
[QUOTE=The Rifleman;51520523]What convenient timing for it to spill so close to the protests, and their electronics didn't capture it hmmmm[/QUOTE] so? the electronic HVAC controls at my work say its 71 even as the pyrometer says its 85. industrial control systems are not always as good as advertised especially handling unusual things
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520535]I find this highly suspicious given the timing, location, electronic detection failures, and history of semi-radical actions by protesters. It just seems a little [I]too [/I]perfect.[/QUOTE] are you implying this was an eco-terrorist attack
[QUOTE=Judas;51520544]are you implying this was an eco-terrorist attack[/QUOTE] What can I say, I love a good conspiracy.
[QUOTE=Judas;51520544]are you implying this was an eco-terrorist attack[/QUOTE] I wouldn't claim they did it at this juncture, but I also wouldn't rule it out.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520535]I find this highly suspicious given the timing, location, electronic detection failures, and history of semi-radical actions by protesters. It just seems a little [I]too [/I]perfect.[/QUOTE] so the people who protested against the possibility of a bad thing happening are at fault for the bad thing happening? nice line of thinking you've got there
[QUOTE=Ezhik;51520550]so the people who protested against the possibility of a bad thing happening are at fault for the bad thing happening? [/QUOTE] It would be a very effective way to make a point, yes.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520535]I find this highly suspicious given the timing, location, electronic detection failures, and history of semi-radical actions by protesters. It just seems a little [I]too [/I]perfect. "The 6-inch steel Belle Fourche pipeline is mostly underground but was built above ground where it crosses Ash Coulee Creek (the site of the leak)"[/QUOTE] If you read that far surely you read the part where they think "the Hill Sloughed "
[QUOTE=Ezhik;51520550]so the people who protested against the possibility of a bad thing happening are at fault for the bad thing happening? nice line of thinking you've got there[/QUOTE] While it's unlikely, don't pretend that there aren't people who believe that the ends justify the means and would do something like this if it meant stopping other pipelines from being built.
[QUOTE=Ezhik;51520550]so the people who protested against the possibility of a bad thing happening are at fault for the bad thing happening? nice line of thinking you've got there[/QUOTE] You really do think everyone on this planet is a nice and caring person, don't you? What a naive way of looking at the world. There's a real possibility of it being sabotage.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520552]It would be a very effective way to make a point, yes.[/QUOTE] It would also be stupid as fuck. It would be like shooting up a school to get guns banned. Just because Alex Jones wishes it was so, does not make it probable.
[QUOTE=duckmaster;51520553]If you read that far surely you read the part where they think "the Hill Sloughed "[/QUOTE] And are people not able to slough hills? If it was an operation of some kind, would they blow it up, cut it, or dig away at the ground until it sloughed to make it appear more natural? These are cold times, especially in the Northern US. The ground gets harder when it gets colder. [QUOTE=_Kent_;51520561]It would also be stupid as fuck.[/QUOTE] And it was stupid of a protester to make a shitty IED out of a propane canister, try to throw it at cops, it blows up in front of them, and they blame it on "concussion grenades". I dont think stupidity or common sense rules anything out. [QUOTE=Blind Lulu;51520573]lol guys oils spills happen often enough that this was probably an accident.[/QUOTE] booorinnng
I in no way believe in the conspiracy, it's just juicy fun to entertain.
[QUOTE=duckmaster;51520553]If you read that far surely you read the part where they think "the Hill Sloughed "[/QUOTE] They also didn't read this part: "True Cos. has a history of oil field–related spills in North Dakota and Montana, including a January 2015 pipeline break into the Yellowstone River. The 32,000-gallon spill temporarily shut down water supplies in the downstream community of Glendive, Montana, after oil was detected in the city's water treatment system"
As a visual aid, here is a 65,000 gallon tank: [img]http://i.imgur.com/2ZhiBwI.jpg[/img] So a little under three of these.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520564]And are people not able to slough hills? If it was an operation of some kind, would they blow it up, cut it, or dig away at the ground until it sloughed to make it appear more natural? These are cold times, especially in the Northern US. The ground gets harder when it gets colder. And it was stupid of a protester to make a shitty IED out of a propane canister, try to throw it at cops, it blows up in front of them, and they blame it on "concussion grenades". I dont think stupidity or common sense rules anything out. I am not saying it happened, I am saying there is a slim possibility.[/QUOTE] I think it's more likely that the mess is a coincidence of timing. It's barely a coincidence of location, since the spill happened 150 miles from the protest camp. And your anecdotal evidence is irrelevant to the geology of the area. Temperature changes can cause plenty of instability and contribute to erosion. It's not anything as simple as, "it can't have collapsed because the ground is getting harder."
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520564]And it was stupid of a protester to make a shitty IED out of a propane canister, try to throw it at cops, it blows up in front of them, and they blame it on "concussion grenades". I dont think stupidity or common sense rules anything out. [/QUOTE] Source on that? Literally the only source I've found so far is from "bearingarms.com", and while they provide pictures of the alleged canister used, it doesn't look "exploded" to me, at least certainly not to the extent that it would cause someone to lose an arm. It looks more to me like a canister left behind from a camping trip some years ago. And even if it were, they're still investigating it according to the article, so nothing definitive.
[QUOTE=Zombinie;51520564]And are people not able to slough hills? If it was an operation of some kind, would they blow it up, cut it, or dig away at the ground until it sloughed to make it appear more natural? These are cold times, especially in the Northern US. The ground gets harder when it gets colder. And it was stupid of a protester to make a shitty IED out of a propane canister, try to throw it at cops, it blows up in front of them, and they blame it on "concussion grenades". I dont think stupidity or common sense rules anything out. booorinnng[/QUOTE] So you're telling me someone from the protest camp drove 150 miles, to dig enough of the ground away for it slough off and break the pipe, and also somehow disable the monitoring equipment?
"everything is a conspiracy if it does not conform to my world views" my goodness guys. you are no better than the climate change deniers or the flat earthers. dont jump on the conspiracy bandwagon until actual evidence comes out for it
it is a little bit suspicious, but oil spills happen all the time, this one only made news because its close to the protesters.
[QUOTE=da space core;51520624]"everything is a conspiracy if it does not conform to my world views" my goodness guys. you are no better than the climate change deniers or the flat earthers. dont jump on the conspiracy bandwagon until actual evidence comes out for it[/QUOTE] Some threads would be very boring if we didn't entertain conspiracy theories.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51520598]Source on that? [/QUOTE] SofRep are people knowledgeable with military arms. The burst propane tank even had flesh on it. [url]https://sofrep.com/69099/pipeline-protestor-sophia-wilansky-injured-concussion-grenade-not-fast/[/url] CNN has both sides of the story, (which doesent really make things any clearer) [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/23/us/north-dakota-pipeline-conflict/[/url] [QUOTE=duck]Drove 150 miles[/QUOTE] Wow I didn't realize every single person against the pipeline was all at the protest. I guess its also impossible to drive. I guess its also impossible to dig or use demolitions. I guess it's impossible to gain knowledge on how the sensors work.
i think this thread needs a reminder that not being completely convinced a story happened one way does not mean you are also convinced the story happened the opposite way.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51520644]i think this thread needs a reminder that not being completely convinced a story happened one way does not mean you are also convinced the story happened the opposite way.[/QUOTE] US vs THEM is just human nature.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;51520644]i think this thread needs a reminder that not being completely convinced a story happened one way does not mean you are also convinced the story happened the opposite way.[/QUOTE] This, I don't actually believe it was protesters, I just dislike people thinking it is [U]impossible[/U] that it would be, and I think it's fun to entertain the idea of a conspiracy.
I've seen North Dakota before and after oil. Regulations are butthole and it's fucked up people are crapping on the Indians for defending themselves.
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