• Apple is exploring making iPhones in the US
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[quote]Apple has asked its primary manufacturing partners, Foxconn and Pegatron, to explore making iPhones in the US, Nikkei reported on Thursday. Foxconn has worked on a plan, according to the report, but Pegatron has not, saying that it would be too expensive. Foxconn Chairman Terry Gou is reportedly lukewarm on the plan, too, because of the rise in production costs. Foxconn's second most powerful executive, Sharp President Tai Jeng-Wu, talked about making parts in the United States during a recent public speech. "We are now building a new [OLED] facility in Japan. We can make [OLED panels, a kind of screen] in the US too," he said. "If our key customer demands us to manufacture in the US, is it possible for us not to do so?" One key reason Apple might be considering a made-in-America iPhone is because President-elect Donald Trump has publicly called for the company to build its product in the US, and threatened tariffs on imports from China.[/quote] [url=http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-exploring-making-iphones-in-the-us-2016-11]Source[/url]
Imagine how much the prices of Apple products would inflate. Jesus.
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;51386549]Imagine how much the prices of Apple products would inflate. Jesus.[/QUOTE] Just the manual would cost $300.
[QUOTE=Grandzeit;51386549]Imagine how much the prices of Apple products would inflate. Jesus.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm sure Apple can't wait to be even more expensive [editline]17th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=!LORD M!;51386554]Just the manual would cost $300.[/QUOTE] And it's just pictures of the phone
[QUOTE=!LORD M!;51386554]Just the manual would cost $300.[/QUOTE] Fuck that, you have to even buy the box it comes in for $100.
"But the jobs are GONE guys, we're never getting them back, some articles written by metropolitan hipsters said so!" The left wing has always been in favor of regulating and curtailing the excesses of capitalism, obstructing market forces when necessary to alleviate class inequalities, shame that's been lost in a maelstrom of identity politics and knee-jerk anti-populism.
The prices probably wouldn't go up.
The Chinese workers that assemble the parts by hand would be replaced by machines designed and built by American engineers. The design of the phones would change to reflect his as well. Price changes wouldn't be a problem as long as Americans have more money from these jobs.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51386535][url=http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-exploring-making-iphones-in-the-us-2016-11]Source[/url][/QUOTE] I don't get it, your headline makes it sound positive for Trump but the actual article is full of explanations why it'd be a bad move.
[QUOTE=mcgrath618;51386603]The prices probably wouldn't go up.[/QUOTE] Can someone give me a quote on apple's profit margin? I always assumed that they turn a massive profit, all their stuff is severely overpriced.
[QUOTE=plunger435;51386649]I don't get it, your headline makes it sound positive for Trump but the actual article is full of explanations why it'd be a bad move.[/QUOTE] I mostly left the title at that for clickbait reasons. Otherwise had I cared to make Trump look better, I just wouldn't have posted it. [quote]There are many reasons a made-in-America iPhone is improbable, starting with cost. "Making iPhones in the US means the cost will more than double," a source told Nikkei. But there are other problems. Most of the parts that go into an iPhone come from companies in Asia, and the just-in-time manufacturing processes that Apple uses mean that shipping components across the Pacific Ocean could become costly. "A large part of the reason electronics moved overseas is because of the entire supply chain over there," Columbia economics professor Amit Khandelwal previously told Business Insider. "It may be a lower cost to produce the final product as compared to the US, but there's also an advantage is that you're close to your other input suppliers who are other parts of the East Asia supply chain."[/quote] But yeah these are real concerns and hurdles if they ever want to come back here. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Editoralised title" - Novangel))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Tudd;51386667]I mostly left the title at that for clickbait reasons. Otherwise had I cared to make Trump look better, I just wouldn't have posted it. But yeah these are real concerns and hurdles if they ever want to come back here.[/QUOTE] You didn't 'leave the title' as anything. This is the original title. [QUOTE]Apple is exploring making iPhones in the US — 'the cost will more than double'[/QUOTE] Which you'll notice is what the article is actually about. You completely changed the narrative form "this is a bad thing" to "Trump is doing a good thing". Everything in the actual article is what economists have been saying about these policies since the election started.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51386648]Also enjoy 1000$ IPhones[/QUOTE] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/IETeUIC.png"]They already are.[/URL]
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51386648]You mean they are bringing their robots Manufacturing jobs will never come back Also enjoy 1000$ IPhones[/QUOTE] They already cost upwards to 1000 $ here
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51386668]If you think any new factory in the US will employ any manual or low-skilled labor anything like a factory from the 70s you are dead wrong Those jobs are gone. Just like handwrite copying industry before the printing press.[/QUOTE] Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite[/url]
Isn't this more because of the threat of China nationalizing factories? Or do they not dare to touch Foxconn?
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE] Orrrrr since we're making leaps and bounds in automation we can eventually introduce a sufficient Universal Basic Income for civilians regardless of occupation status.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE] And then the automated factories just move to where automation is allowed, defeating the purpose.
[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51386655] They turn a massive profit doesnt mean they have room to change, they wont be cutting their profits because Mr. Trump wished so. They arent gonna take the increased cost on themselves, they are gonna reflect that to the customers.[/QUOTE] So Apple doubles their price and then another manufacturer that doesn't price gouge comes in and takes some of their market share. After all, that is the point of having a free market. The problem right now is it's a race to the bottom, and the bottom is third-world countries with basically no health and safety, environmental, or labor laws. Making the exploitation of those countries for the creation of products to sell in the US uneconomical may not bring low-skilled jobs back to the US, but it's still a positive thing for the world.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386704]Then how about you ban robot manufacturing? I'm dead serious, if the automation of these industries is denying large swaths of the population the ability to make a healthy living, you stop the automation, simple as that.[/QUOTE] Blame the economic system for robot manufacturing being a bane. You won't be able to reverse it, you have to work around it.
[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;51386750]Orrrrr since we're making leaps and bounds in automation we can eventually introduce a sufficient Universal Basic Income for civilians regardless of occupation status.[/QUOTE] Don't be ridiculous, they just need bootstraps [Editline]a[/editline] Poor people are simultaneously too lazy to work and we can't let robots replace them
[QUOTE=Arctic-Zone;51386750]Orrrrr since we're making leaps and bounds in automation we can eventually introduce a sufficient Universal Basic Income for civilians regardless of occupation status.[/QUOTE] Yeah we could do that, left seems more interested in other stuff now, though.
Also huge problem, the US has not enough Rare Earth Materials for this, would actually need to import the materials, and Apple could just go to another country to build it if Trump puts on huge Tarrifs on Chinese, not likely Congress controls Tariffs after 30 days.
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386830]Yeah we could do that, left seems more interested in other stuff now, though.[/QUOTE] The neoliberal democrats*
[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51386837]The neoliberal democrats*[/QUOTE] Depends who you ask, Bernie and his supporters are supposed to be pretty left. And the Democratic party also adopted that OMGWTFMOSTLEFTWINGPLATFROMEVAHWHICHTOTALLYMATTERSGUYSISHITYOUNOT!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been hearing so much about. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Terrible post" - Big Dumb American))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386580]"But the jobs are GONE guys, we're never getting them back, some articles written by metropolitan hipsters said so!" The left wing has always been in favor of regulating and curtailing the excesses of capitalism, obstructing market forces when necessary to alleviate class inequalities, shame that's been lost in a maelstrom of identity politics and knee-jerk anti-populism.[/QUOTE] except it's right wing economics that says that low skill jobs should be moved overseas due to the economic principle of comparative advantage? It's economically inefficient to be artificially move production to a country which can better invest it's resources into educating it's labor force Edit: might have misread
Wasn't Bernie the one open to creating a universal income?
[QUOTE=Whoaly;51386853]Depends who you ask, Bernie and his supporters are supposed to be pretty left. And the Democratic party also adopted that [B]OMGWTFMOSTLEFTWINGPLATFROMEVAHWHICHTOTALLYMATTERSGUYSISHITYOUNOT![/B]!!!!!!!!!!! I've been hearing so much about.[/QUOTE] uh what the democratic party is still dominated by neolibs. Bernie and folk are social democrats much like scandinavian nations.
I don't think Bernie is even considered a democrat. His own party doesn't seem to like him that much
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