Arizona trooper shot and beaten by former Mexican cop he was trying to help
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[quote]The man who shot and severely beat an Arizona state trooper last week was a former member of the Mexican federal police who was in the country illegally, authorities said.
He had rolled his car on Interstate 10 before he inexplicably attacked the officer who had stopped to help.
Leonard Pennelas-Escobar opened fire on Trooper Edward Andersson early Thursday after the officer had stopped on the interstate and set up flares in a bid to get motorists to slow down. Pennelas-Escobar said something unrecognizable in Spanish before shooting the trooper, and then he started landing blows with his fists and beating the trooper's head on the ground, Department of Public Safety Director Frank Milstead said Monday.
A passing motorist who witnessed the attack retrieved a handgun from his vehicle and fired two shots at Pennelas-Escobar after he refused an order to stop attacking Andersson. With Pennelas-Escobar incapacitated, the motorist tended to the wounded trooper but was later drawn back into the dispute when Pennelas-Escobar got up and resumed his assault on Andersson. The motorist then fired a fatal shot at Pennelas-Escobar.
"He definitely kept him (Andersson) from having much more serious neurological injuries from this beating," Milstead said.
Milstead called a news conference Monday to offer more detail on the chaotic scene, but he was unable to provide an explanation on why Pennelas-Escobar attacked the officer.
The 37-year-old Pennelas-Escobar was in the country illegally, a drug user and was believed to have once worked as a Mexican police officer, Milstead said. Still, Pennelas-Escobar had no known criminal history.[/quote]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/authorities-trooper-shot-driver-caused-rollover-44816766[/url]
Thank goodness the passing motorist was armed
[quote]Arizona has a "defense of third person" law that allows someone to use deadly force against another who is threatening or injuring a third person.[/quote]
Theres seriously states that dont have this?
[quote]...he was unable to provide an explanation on why Pennelas-Escobar attacked the officer.[/quote]
Probably because he was...
[quote]...in the country illegally, a drug user[/quote]
Shame they couldn't understand what the man said, it would help explain why someone would attack an officer laying out road markers. Now we will never know why this happened.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51686089]Theres seriously states that dont have this?[/QUOTE]
There are states where the defense of yourself may as well be a crime.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51686089]Theres seriously states that dont have this?[/QUOTE]
There's some states where it's illegal to use any force, lethal or non-lethal, in self-Defence.
Man, this could have gone really differently if the passing motorist wasn't able to help.
[editline]17th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=L'Citizen;51686145]There's some states where it's illegal to use any force, lethal or non-lethal, in self-Defence.[/QUOTE]
We've had the concept of law for more than a day, how is that even possible
[QUOTE=Spacewolf;51686151]Man, this could have gone really differently if the passing motorist wasn't able to help.
[editline]17th January 2017[/editline]
We've had the concept of law for more than a day, how is that even possible[/QUOTE]
Ideally, it prevents people from killing or harming others then wrongfully claiming self-defense.
Ie. the shitstorm created by the Treyvon Martin case. If Florida had no self-defense clauses, it would've been a clean, bangup case of "man shot teenager, man goes to jail."
However, because of Self-Defense, in particular Florida's own "Stand Your Ground" policy, the case become a clusterfuck and a spectacle. And also feeds in to the other issue, that self-defense clauses may embolden people to put themselves in danger, believing they can defend themselves, which only harms more people.
Disclaimer: I strongly support Self-Defense.
Absolute scum. It's a good thing he can never hurt someone again.
[quote]The man who shot and severely beat an Arizona state trooper last week was a former member of the Mexican federal police [b]who was in the country illegally, authorities said.[/b]
The 37-year-old Pennelas-Escobar was in the country illegally, a drug user and was believed to have once worked as a Mexican police officer, Milstead said.[/quote]
Well, there's some right-wing fuel if I ever saw it.
He's in the country illegally, a drug user and his girlfriend was dead after the crash. I am sure in his mind he was thinking he had nothing left and wouldn't want to be obviously deported back so in a fucked up way you can kind of see why he went this way, as it may have been a crime of passion to suicide by cop. After all why would he get back up after being shot to continue attacking the guy other than if he had a death wish? Overall a very depressing situation.
[QUOTE=1chains1;51687205]He's in the country illegally, a drug user and his girlfriend was dead after the crash. I am sure in his mind he was thinking he had nothing left and wouldn't want to be obviously deported back so in a fucked up way you can kind of see why he went this way, as it may have been a crime of passion to suicide by cop. After all why would he get back up after being shot to continue attacking the guy other than if he had a death wish? Overall a very depressing situation.[/QUOTE]
why would he actually shoot at the officer and then go up to him while he was down and smash his head into the pavement if he wanted himself to die
[QUOTE=Perrine;51687236]why would he actually shoot at the officer and then go up to him while he was down and smash his head into the pavement if he wanted himself to die[/QUOTE]
Because he was a deranged power-tripping cokehead.
Christ. Thank God for the the other guy who stopped to help.
I hope I have a chance like this someday. Not to shoot somebody or anything, I don't want anything to do with that, but just to help someone in need. I'd feel a hell of a lot better about the life I'm living if I could look back on it all and know that I saved someone else's life.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;51687432]Donate blood
You can save lives without taking others[/QUOTE]
I dunno dude
I've heard some pretty disturbing stories lately of bloodbanks raking in an overabundance of donations just to heavily mark up blood and sell it to overpopulated states with blood shortages like MA or NY, or dump the blood out altogether.
I was thinking more along the lines of pushing someone out of the way of a bus. Plus I don't like needles
[QUOTE=mcharest;51687598]I dunno dude
I've heard some pretty disturbing stories lately of bloodbanks raking in an overabundance of donations just to heavily mark up blood and sell it to overpopulated states with blood shortages like MA or NY, or dump the blood out altogether.
I was thinking more along the lines of pushing someone out of the way of a bus. Plus I don't like needles[/QUOTE]
Sounds like you're more interested in recognition than helping then.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51686106]There are states where the defense of yourself may as well be a crime.[/QUOTE]
Even if it wasn't allowed by law, I don't see any DA actually bringing this to court.
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;51686277]Ideally, it prevents people from killing or harming others then wrongfully claiming self-defense.
Ie. the shitstorm created by the Treyvon Martin case. If Florida had no self-defense clauses, it would've been a clean, bangup case of "man shot teenager, man goes to jail."[/QUOTE]
Better to have self defense than "man found dead after 911 call, handgun stolen".
[QUOTE=plunger435;51687651]Sounds like you're more interested in recognition than helping then.[/QUOTE]
More like just trying to be dramatic, but thanks I guess
[QUOTE=L'Citizen;51686145]There's some states where it's illegal to use any force, lethal or non-lethal, in self-Defence.[/QUOTE]
Finland's pretty much got this too.
I think if the attacker kills you first and THEN you punch them, you only get a ticket.
Otherwise you'll be paying your assaulter for physical and psychological pain you've caused and maybe get a sentence.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;51686089]Theres seriously states that dont have this?[/QUOTE]
Some states even have a limited duty to retreat in your own home. None have it to even remotely close to the extremes you see in Europe, but it's still stupid if you ask me.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;51687364]Because he was a deranged power-tripping cokehead.[/QUOTE]
Article doesn't specify coke. For all we know it could've been just weed or something.
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;51686441]Well, there's some right-wing fuel if I ever saw it.[/QUOTE]
[url=https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5op1yu/so_an_illegal_alien_who_shot_and_beat_an_arizona/]Couple of hours later lol[/url]
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;51686441]Well, there's some right-wing fuel if I ever saw it.[/QUOTE]
Bit of an ignorant statement you've made there.
[QUOTE=Jame's;51689597]Bit of an ignorant statement you've made there.[/QUOTE]
how so?
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;51686106]There are states where the defense of yourself may as well be a crime.[/QUOTE]
As far as i know, in canada if someone's robbing you or assaulting you and you use any kind of weapon to defend yourself, knife or hammer to a gun, you'll get charged with assault with a weapon. If you use your fists, you get charged with assault, and if you kill the guy, you basically get charged with something equivocal to aggravated assault causing death which compounds if you were using a "weapon"
I can't imagine what the people that wrote that law were thinking. "yeah just stand there and be real nice to him. And if he's a murderer, don't worry, we'll catch him!". It's fucking madness
There are also states where you just have to sit and watch your house get robbed because you have a duty to retreat. This is why stand your ground laws and the like are good things.
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