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[QUOTE]You may have heard of the Right to Repair legislation in the US, but if passed it will require manufacturers to sell original parts and disclose service and diagnostic manuals to third party repair shops and consumers. This should allow those shops to service electronics that they weren't able to before and help make it more accessible. According to a source Apple (or AT&T) is planning to cite that "consumers who repair their own phones could cause lithium batteries to catch fire" as a reason to overturn the bill.[/QUOTE]
Sources:
[URL="http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_will_fight_right_to_repair_legislature-blog-23432.php"]GSM Arena[/URL]
[URL="http://appleinsider.com/articles/17/02/14/apple-to-oppose-right-to-repair-legislation-in-nebraska-report-says"]Apple Insider[/URL]
[URL="https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/source-apple-will-fight-right-to-repair-legislation"]Motherboard[/URL]
Yeah fucking right. They don't give a fuck about the chance of morons puncturing their batteries, they just want to sell more of those glass rectangles that shatter when they get dropped, and people being able to replace their fucked screens gets in the way of that.
This would be great if it passed, but leave to the fuccboi's who patented rounded edges to try and fuck it up for the rest of us.
I mean, Apple, please... if you provided the tools to open the device, the risk of the lithium battery would be negligible.
Rat bastards
"consumers who repair their own phones could cause lithium batteries to catch fire"
how hard is it to put a warning on the battery and say you're not responsible for idiots that don't heed the warning
[QUOTE=Qaus;51825979]"consumers who repair their own phones could cause lithium batteries to catch fire"
how hard is it to put a warning on the battery and say you're not responsible for idiots that don't heed the warnining[/QUOTE]
They don't make money hand over fist from doing their own repairs.
[QUOTE=Steel & Iron;51825987]They don't make money hand over fist from doing their own repairs.[/QUOTE]
they're apple, if they can get away with overpricing their products they can get away with overpricing their repair kits.
[QUOTE=Medevila;51825990]Does Apple Care repair a device or just replace it? it's possible they don't have the logistics in place to handle this kind of thing
More concerning IMO is things like farm machinery and automobiles which have been consumer-repairable since the beginning but increasingly heading towards intentional obfuscation... sure, Tesla autos are neat, but you'll never be able to take it to the garage down the street[/QUOTE]
Electric motors don't require the same maintenance an ICE does though. A car shop can still work on tire alignment, brakes, etc. There's a lot less to maintain.
[QUOTE=AJ10017;51826032]Electric motors don't require the same maintenance an ICE does though. A car shop can still work on tire alignment, brakes, etc. There's a lot less to maintain.[/QUOTE]
This really has nothing to do with any specific technology though, just plain old anti-consumer practices. John Deere makes diesel tractors and they are pushing hard for making it illegal for third-parties to service or modify them.
Of course they oppose that bill. It means they can't charge $750 to 'repair' a board that only failed because of a $0.04 component.
This shit is why I can't help but laugh at any claim that Apple is a "good" company by ANY means.
No fuck off Apple, your excuse with those lithium batteries is so transparent a visually impaired person could see through it. If this right passes it would be a boon for customers.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;51826069]Of course they oppose that bill. It means they can't charge $750 to 'repair' a board that only failed because of a $0.04 component.
This shit is why I can't help but laugh at any claim that Apple is a "good" company by ANY means.[/QUOTE]
Apple is by far one of the most sinister and conniving corporations in the big leagues right now. Don't know who you've seen calling them good.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51826073]Apple is by far one of the most sinister and conniving corporations in the big leagues right now. Don't know who you've seen calling them good.[/QUOTE]
Their rabid fanbase.
[QUOTE=Qaus;51825979]"consumers who repair their own phones could cause lithium batteries to catch fire"
how hard is it to put a warning on the battery and say you're not responsible for idiots that don't heed the warnining[/QUOTE]
I guarantee you that the warning is already there in some form or another. I had a lithium battery swell on my old droid razer and I'm pretty sure I recall a big fat "MAY CATCH FIRE IF PUNCTURED, CONTENTS INSIDE ARE BAD SHIT MMKAY?" warning on the front.
Everyone knows that lithium batteries are volatile, their stated reasoning for opposing the legislation is completely tangential to the actual reasoning.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51826073]Apple is by far one of the most sinister and conniving corporations in the big leagues right now. Don't know who you've seen calling them good.[/QUOTE]
Ask just about anyone who has purchased more than one Apple product.
You never really own something if you can't open it or customize it.
I personally hate using third party business to fix my Apple products. They always butcher something, or since they are using the cheapest chinese replacement parts they always have weirdness like poor backlighting or dieing panels over time. It's ended up being cheaper for me to just take it to the apple store and have them repair it in an hour for $130.
[QUOTE=Coppermoss;51826129]You never really own something if you can't open it or customize it.[/QUOTE]
It could be worst, You could be renting it off them.
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What happen to open source phones?
[QUOTE=Sims_doc;51826188]It could be worst, You could be renting it off them.
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What happen to open source phones?[/QUOTE]
They've been beaten by marketing and sheep mentality.
Though isn't Android open sauce?
Genius bars and applecare are so fucking pointless and expensive. You can get the same great service done on an iPhone or iPad from a small shopping centre kiosk than them
got my old iPhone 5s a new charging port, 3.5mm port and some other touches up, costed $150aud total, works brand new you hardly even see a difference
[QUOTE=Ajacks;51826139]I personally hate using third party business to fix my Apple products. They always butcher something, or since they are using the cheapest chinese replacement parts they always have weirdness like poor backlighting or dieing panels over time. It's ended up being cheaper for me to just take it to the apple store and have them repair it in an hour for $130.[/QUOTE]
And it's only like that because Apple purposefully makes it difficult to repair them so that you're [B]forced[/B] into doing exactly that.
What legal standing do Apple have with this? Dunno about you but it's going to be difficult to stop people from repairing their devices/products.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51826254]What legal standing do Apple have with this? Dunno about you but it's going to be difficult to stop people from repairing their devices/products.[/QUOTE]
It essentially means if they feel or see you've modified/repaired your device they will have no obligation to help you.
[QUOTE=FlakTheMighty;51826278]It essentially means if they feel or see you've modified/repaired your device they will have no obligation to help you.[/QUOTE]
even if your repair had nothing to do with the part that broke next
here you have to prove that the user caused the issue, not the other way around
this is why I don't buy their shit, I like iOS and iphones but this shit is fucking stupid, all it does is send the message "we dont give a fuck about you, buy our shit some more"
This is why no one Trusts the DMCA reform, because Companies like apple use it for reasons unrelated to copyright.
Not surprised when they try every trick in the book to make all of their products less reparable.
[QUOTE=Ajacks;51826139]I personally hate using third party business to fix my Apple products. They always butcher something, or since they are using the cheapest chinese replacement parts they always have weirdness like poor backlighting or dieing panels over time. It's ended up being cheaper for me to just take it to the apple store and have them repair it in an hour for $130.[/QUOTE]
Do they even repair it or just switch out the internals and you lose all your data because of some completely unrelated part was fucked?
I once had a broken screen. I brought it to the Apple store, and because it was under 1 year I got it repaired for around $110 in less than an hour. The most difficult part was setting up the appointment for the genius bar, but that's because it was a saturday in one of the busiest malls in america.
Overall, I'm pretty happy with Apple's service, with what little time I've had with them. I'm okay if I'm paying more if my experience is consistant and better than the gamble I've had with third parties. But people claiming Apple's service is worse need to get off their high horse a bit, I've seen no problem other than price. and honestly, you're always going to overpay when you get something fixed by the original manufacturer. IMO that's a pretty good price to pay vs the inconsistency with getting electronics fixed by a third party who may or may not be good at what they do.
The bill is a bit confusing though. While "Right to Repair" is the name of it, the actual bill is just saying things along the lines of giving instructions on how to fix stuff and selling wholesale parts to consumers, not taking away the end user's right to repair stuff. If Apple was actually opposing the right to repair stuff, then there'd be hell to pay, but as of right now Apple just doesn't want to open up another part of their business for parts and to actively build a market against their own, which i guess makes sense.
[QUOTE=Fetret;51826608]Do they even repair it or just switch out the internals and you lose all your data because of some completely unrelated part was fucked?[/QUOTE]
When it comes to small repairs like the screen, they truly replace that one part. No idea for something like your antenna or if something shorts out. But Apple's backup system is nice, so if you've got a backup on iCloud it saves everything properly and re-transferring everything is a breeze with the right wifi connection.
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