• Wikileaks accuses US of ‘financial warfare’
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[img]http://www.terrapass.com/images/partners/RawStoryNewLogo.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/10/wikileaks-us-financial-warfare/]Source[/url] [release]The founder of whistleblower Web site WikiLeaks says the US government is involved in a campaign of "financial warfare" against the group. The Guardian has obtained correspondence between WikiLeaks and British-based online payment company Moneybookers, in which the company explains that it has "terminated the business relationship" with WikiLeaks because the Web site has been added to "blacklists in Australia and watchlists in the USA." The Guardian reports: [quote]The apparent blacklisting came a few days after the Pentagon publicly expressed its anger at WikiLeaks and its founder, Australian citizen Julian Assange, for obtaining thousands of classified military documents about the war in Afghanistan, in one of the US army's biggest leaks of information. The documents caused a sensation when they were made available to the Guardian, the New York Times and German magazine Der Spiegel, revealing hitherto unreported civilian casualties. WikiLeaks defied Pentagon calls to return the war logs and destroy all copies. Instead, it has been reported that it intends to release an even larger cache of military documents, disclosing other abuses in Iraq.[/quote] "This is likely to cause a huge backlash against Moneybookers," Assange told the Guardian. "Craven behavior in relation to the US government is unlikely to be seen sympathetically." Assange has previously said that Wikileaks is facing a fierce onslaught from the Pentagon after releasing tens of thousands of classified US military documents on the Afghan war. "I need to express the seriousness of the attack against this media organization," he told an audience in London. "The Pentagon has demanded ... that we destroy, totally destroy, our previous publications, including that Afghan publication. ... The Pentagon is trying to get up an espionage case and destroy our organization," the Australian former computer hacker added. Although the White House has stayed relatively quiet on the WikiLeaks issue, the administration's new director of national intelligence, James Clapper, said last week that President Obama is full of "angst" over a "hemorrhage" of leaks of sensitive intelligence from government officials. Citing the WikiLeaks release, Clapper said that intelligence agencies would have to be more restrained about sharing information as a result. "I was in a meeting yesterday with the president, and I was ashamed to have to sit there and listen to the president express his great angst about the leaking that's going on here in this town," Clapper said at a Washington conference on intelligence reform. "And particularly when it's widely quoted amorphous, anonymous senior intelligence officials, who for whatever reason get their jollies from blabbing to the media," he said. Clapper said he was not finding fault with reporters but with government officials "who have supposedly taken an oath to protect this country." WikiLeaks has not identified the source of the documents it obtained but suspicion has fallen on Bradley Manning, a US Army intelligence analyst who is currently in military custody. Manning was arrested in May following the release by WikiLeaks of video footage of a US Apache helicopter strike in Iraq in which civilians died and has been charged with delivering defense information to an unauthorized source.[/release]
This only shows that there is something America wants to hide, a lot.
[QUOTE=d3450;25436710]This only shows that there is something America wants to hide, a lot.[/QUOTE] Implying there's a country that doesn't.
[QUOTE=d3450;25436710]This only shows that there is something America wants to hide, a lot.[/QUOTE] No matter what country you go to, they will have something to hide. Whether is be some random African country, or Britain, or anywhere for that matter.
They'll have to drop a nuke on WikiLeaks to stop them, and since people are so squeamish about nuclear warfare (and rightly so), that will never happen.
[QUOTE=ironman17;25436736]They'll have to drop a nuke on WikiLeaks to stop them, and since people are so squeamish about nuclear warfare (and rightly so), that will never happen.[/QUOTE] And it'd kind of start a war, if they were going to nuke all WL servers. I mean, Iceland, Germany, Sweden, other places...
Wikileaks isn't pulling up national secrets like nuclear launch codes or secret weapons or anything to that nature, they're pulling up things like where the chopper gunned down the news crew, and things to that nature. US government shouldn't hide stuff like that, sure some of the bad things they do would lower morale but covering it up just decimates the people's trust in their government. Court martial the officers involved, put down that it was a mistake and the responsible parties were punished, and the government and WL wouldn't have to go through this shit flinging fight that they're having between each other. It's rather juvenile really, it's like the US government stole some cookies from the cookie jar and its little brother, Wikileaks, is telling mommy about it and the US government is threatening to beat up his little brother to stop him from telling anybody.
[QUOTE=lorden;25437353]Wikileaks isn't pulling up national secrets like nuclear launch codes or secret weapons or anything to that nature, they're pulling up things like where the chopper gunned down the news crew, and things to that nature. US government shouldn't hide stuff like that, sure some of the bad things they do would lower morale but covering it up just decimates the people's trust in their government. Court martial the officers involved, put down that it was a mistake and the responsible parties were punished, and the government and WL wouldn't have to go through this shit flinging fight that they're having between each other. It's rather juvenile really, it's like the US government stole some cookies from the cookie jar and its little brother, Wikileaks, is telling mommy about it and the US government is threatening to beat up his little brother to stop him from telling anybody.[/QUOTE] They haven't only leaked war crimes. The military reports they leaked a few months ago, for example. They should only have leaked documents that revealed war crimes, but the majority of the military reports didn't have anything illegal in them.
Yeah, from their point of view...
I thought this was apparent.
I have a mental image of Wall-Street Stock Brokers stuffing $100 bills into Rock-it launchers
[QUOTE=Dr. Fishtastic;25437799]I have a mental image of Wall-Street Stock Brokers stuffing $100 bills into Rock-it launchers[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct2AWh-nKSk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct2AWh-nKSk[/media]?
[QUOTE=gerbile5;25436730]No matter what country you go to, they will have something to hide. Whether is be some random African country, or Britain, or anywhere for that matter.[/QUOTE] Except that America is probably one of the worst governments with many things to hide. You have no idea how corrupt their involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq was. Do you have any idea how many innocent civilians they killed, tortured, and accused of being terrorists? They barely caused any good in the countries as much as they caused a shit ton of bad.
Fuck America. No wait. Fuck Americas Government. [editline]16th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Leaf Runner;25438969]Except that America is probably one of the worst governments with many things to hide. You have no idea how corrupt their involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq was. Do you have any idea how many innocent civilians they killed, tortured, and accused of being terrorists? They barely caused any good in the countries as much as they caused a shit ton of bad.[/QUOTE] If you look like a terrorist, you are one. That's the code our government uses.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;25439134] If you look like a terrorist, you are one. That's the code our government uses.[/QUOTE] That's not only America. You live in America so you're around it a lot but in other countries it's just about the same thing. Everyone seems to have a paranoia of muslims.. as sad as it is.
No, people have a paranoia of extremists and rightly so.
So far in this thread...Bash America because no one else has done worse shit that we don't know about. The only reason why we think the States has horrible shit to hide is because we've probably seen the worst and now we go all conspiracy theorist. [U]Keyword there is[/U] WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT /caps
[QUOTE=bravehat;25439969]No, people have a paranoia of extremists and rightly so.[/QUOTE] Not true, the media often generalizes it and causes fear mongering towards all Muslims. Don't tell me if you see a Muslim guy in an airport, you don't look twice.
[QUOTE=Soldier32;25439918]That's not only America. You live in America so you're around it a lot but in other countries it's just about the same thing. Everyone seems to have a paranoia of muslims.. as sad as it is.[/QUOTE] I've never heard anyone accuse someone for being a terrorist here. Seriously. An american stereotype from my countries point of view, would probably be a fat McDonalds addicted guy talking about how terrorists are destroying his country. (Being on Facepunch, I of course know that this is the absolute truth and all :downs:)
[QUOTE=lorden;25437353]Wikileaks isn't pulling up national secrets like nuclear launch codes or secret weapons or anything to that nature, they're pulling up things like where the chopper gunned down the news crew, and things to that nature. US government shouldn't hide stuff like that, sure some of the bad things they do would lower morale but covering it up just decimates the people's trust in their government. Court martial the officers involved, put down that it was a mistake and the responsible parties were punished, and the government and WL wouldn't have to go through this shit flinging fight that they're having between each other. It's rather juvenile really, it's like the US government stole some cookies from the cookie jar and its little brother, Wikileaks, is telling mommy about it and the US government is threatening to beat up his little brother to stop him from telling anybody.[/QUOTE] Are you dumb? They released information about people still currently helping the USA find Taliban members, and their lives were in serious danger.
[QUOTE=DarkSpider;25440218]Not true, the media often generalizes it and causes fear mongering towards all Muslims. Don't tell me if you see a Muslim guy in an airport, you don't look twice.[/QUOTE] I don't even [B]think[/B] about that person being a terrorists, the first thought going through my head would probably be "hm, weird clothes". Why so paranoid?
[QUOTE=Mr.Dounut;25440312]Are you dumb? They released information about people still currently helping the USA find Taliban members, and their lives were in serious danger.[/QUOTE] oh yeah that big leak everyone was yelling "OMG PEOPLE WILL DIE BECAUSE OF THIS" it's been what, 5 months later? who's died?
Bradley Manning is the fucking man enough said. Damn why can't we have more people like this guy who actually gives a damn about America. [editline]16th October 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Leaf Runner;25438969]Except that America is probably one of the worst governments with many things to hide. You have no idea how corrupt their involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq was. Do you have any idea how many innocent civilians they killed, tortured, and accused of being terrorists? They barely caused any good in the countries as much as they caused a shit ton of bad.[/QUOTE] Leaf Runner Yes I have read in an article the Time magazine that there have been more attacks by US Attack Drones in Afghan just by itself. The I also read in the mag that there are a hell of a lot of militia groups now than when President Bush is in office. I dont want to scream its the governement trying to kill us but that facts are pretty clear in the article That I have read. From within the article the Militia group says " If they rule the city then we will rule the country side ".
I am trying to understand the article; is the group that financial supports Wikileaks, pulling out, because of the increased controversy?
[QUOTE=Gordy H.;25437447]They haven't only leaked war crimes. The military reports they leaked a few months ago, for example. They should only have leaked documents that revealed war crimes, but the majority of the military reports didn't have anything illegal in them.[/QUOTE] I think what wikileaks is trying to do is not find anything illegal, they are just releasing info publicly so the public can decide what to do
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25440590]oh yeah that big leak everyone was yelling "OMG PEOPLE WILL DIE BECAUSE OF THIS" it's been what, 5 months later? who's died?[/QUOTE] Not even you idiot.
[QUOTE=Swilly;25441263]Not even you idiot.[/QUOTE] it was july or something right? at least 3 or 4.
[QUOTE=gerbile5;25436730]No matter what country you go to, they will have something to hide. Whether is be some random African country, or Britain, or anywhere for that matter.[/QUOTE] US is the only country with such an aggressive foreign policy and political influence. In fact, it's the most politically influential country in the world.
[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyAlt;25440590]oh yeah that big leak everyone was yelling "OMG PEOPLE WILL DIE BECAUSE OF THIS" it's been what, 5 months later? who's died?[/QUOTE] Nobody because they had everyone evacuated.
[QUOTE=bravehat;25439969]No, people have a paranoia of extremists and rightly so.[/QUOTE] The ground zero community centre, that kid beaten for being muslim, mosques burned down? yeah, i'd say the only prejudiced is for extremists.
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