Germany's Merkel says refugees must return home once war is over
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[b]Germany's Merkel says refugees must return home once war is over[/b]
Via [url=http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-refugees-idUSKCN0V80IH?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews]Reuters[/url]
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[i]German Chancellor Angela Merkel reacts as she addresses a news conference after a meeting with state premiers at the Chancellery in Berlin, Germany, January 28, 2016.[/i]
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German Chancellor Angela Merkel tried on Saturday to placate the increasingly vocal critics of her open-door policy for refugees by insisting that most refugees from Syria and Iraq would go home once the conflicts there had ended.
Despite appearing increasingly isolated, Merkel has resisted pressure from some conservatives to cap the influx of refugees, or to close Germany's borders.
Support for her conservative bloc has slipped as concerns mount about how Germany will integrate the 1.1 million migrants who arrived last year, while crime and security are also in the spotlight after a wave of assaults on women in Cologne at New Year by men of north African and Arab appearance.
The influx has played into the hands of the right-wing Alternative for Germany (AfD), whose support is now in the double digits, and whose leader was quoted on Saturday saying that migrants entering illegally should, if necessary, be shot.
Merkel said it was important to stress that most refugees had only been allowed to stay for a limited period.
"We need ... to say to people that this is a temporary residential status and we expect that, once there is peace in Syria again, once IS has been defeated in Iraq, that you go back to your home country with the knowledge that you have gained," she told a regional meeting of her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) in the state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.
Merkel said 70 percent of the refugees who fled to Germany from former Yugoslavia in the 1990s had returned.
Horst Seehofer, leader of the Christian Social Union (CSU), the CDU's Bavarian sister party, has threatened to take the government to court if the flow of asylum seekers is not cut.
Merkel urged other European countries to offer more help "because the numbers need to be reduced even further and must not start to rise again, especially in spring".[/quote]
I seriously doubt it, but time will tell.
hopefully this counts for all the other countries too, of course we need to help people in times like these but its not our job to bring and integrate the entire civilian population of syria here
I am quite sure you cannot do this under EU law. It's why some have started converting to Christianity, or saying they're homosexual - can't remove someone who's life would be deemed endangered in Islamic states under EU human rights.
I'm calling Merkel out, she's finished, and a liar just trying and appease growing violence in Europe towards Islamic immigrants.
The refugees will never leave europe without a fight. Why would they go back to a sandy shithole which, chances are, will be ruled by another dictator after the wars are over, and deal with a lower quality of life than most homeless in germany have, when they can just stay in Germany and leech off the government for the rest of their lives?
I don't see anything wrong with the idea. If the wars over then there's no need to be a refugee. Either move along or seek out citizenship
Haha, as if it will ever happen. The moment the economic migrants stepped into the EU they were here to stay.
Strange how people here who have been wanting Merkel to change her position are now angry at her now that she has changed her position
The war will never be over.
[QUOTE=Vasili;49638557]I am quite sure you cannot do this under EU law. It's why some have started converting to Christianity, or saying they're homosexual - can't remove someone who's life would be deemed endangered in Islamic states under EU human rights.
I'm calling Merkel out, she's finished, and a liar just trying and appease growing violence in Europe towards Islamic immigrants.[/QUOTE]
They could also to clam to be atheist since that's outright illegally in Saudi
I cant see them returning to syria, especially considering many of them could be killed for fleeing if assad is still in power.
[QUOTE=Cyberdan;49638597]Strange how people here who have been wanting Merkel to change her position are now angry at her now that she has changed her position[/QUOTE]
Because this sounds more like an act of desperation, than something that was planned from the start.
Yeah, that definitely won't happen.
If they don't what are they going to do? Deport them? They can't even deport criminal ones
I would like to point out one thing:
[quote]"[b]We need ... to say[/b] to people that this is a temporary residential status and [b]we expect[/b] that, once there is peace in Syria again, once IS has been defeated in Iraq, that you go back to your home country with the knowledge that you have gained," she told a regional meeting of her Christian Democratic Union (CDU) in the state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania.[/quote]
There is no "must" there, just what she expects will happen by itself. The title is sensationalist, and it's not the OP's fault, because the original news have that title.
Even if it were true, what does she plan to do when we talking about potentially over million people; mark them all, put them on trains and send them away by force ? Sounds like something from the WW2 era. Not gonna happen.
She compares it to people from Yugoslavia, but they were not few thousand kilometers away from home. And also, we had our issues, but we weren't so long in the state Middle East is for decades now.
[QUOTE=AntonioR;49638680]I would like to point out one thing:
There is no "must" there, just what she expects will happen by itself. The title is sensationalist, and it's not the OP's fault, because the original news have that title.
Even if it were true, what does she plan to do when we talking about potentially over million people; mark them all, put them on trains and send them away by force ? Sounds like something from the WW2 era. Not gonna happen.
She compares it to people from Yugoslavia, but they were not few thousand kilometers away from home.[/QUOTE]
And the refugees from the Yugoslavia War actually wanted to go back when it was all over. The horde the leftist governments took in over the past few years don't want to go back, since countries like Germany and Sweden give them a ridiculous sum of money (we are talking about a sum bigger than what people who work full time in Eastern Europa earn per week) for purely stepping foot in their countries.
People like Merkel and her buddies in the EU love to talk big, but their actions always end up coming up insanely short. Like relocating those ''''refugees''''. They talked about relocating tens of thousands, and after more than a year, they only located a few hundred at best. Not to even mention how they seem completely unable to ban criminal ''''refugees'''' from the European continent.
[QUOTE=Orkel;49638583]Haha, as if it will ever happen. The moment the economic migrants stepped into the EU they were here to stay.[/QUOTE]
"They've been here for so long, they're practically Europeans".
and to some extent that would be true as far as some first gens go. I can't see this conflict ending for another few decades.
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Most of them are economic migrants anyway so the state of Syria doesn't matter that much.
Well I hope this statement helps with the problem but let's face it, it's probably not going to happen and that's just going to be something else for Europeans to be bitter about. Then there will be more violence, more polarization of the population and all the while it could have been prevented if they treated refugees like refugees rather than calling them migrants and treating them like immigrants.
I thought the purpose of this was mostly to enjoy the multicultural enrichment, why send them back to their countries? It's most likely going to still be a bad place after the war finishes.
Yep have fun getting every single migrant out of Germany, this is why you don't take millions of refugees in such a short amount of time because you run the risk of many of them being Extremist/rapists/going in unchecked/etc
Good luck Germany and E.U. hope you guys are able to get the bad migrants out. Looks like happy fun times with multiculturalism did not work out to well.
Wonder what the textbooks of the future will say about Merkel's tenure.
Sounds like Merkel realizes she really doesn't want to lay in that bed she made.
[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49639569]Looks like happy fun times with multiculturalism did not work out to well.[/QUOTE]
Multiculturalism is fine. However, when the cultural differences are too large it just doesn't work out.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49639999]Multiculturalism is fine. However, when the cultural differences are too large it just doesn't work out.[/QUOTE]
Are you implying it's completely impossible for muslims to integrate here or
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49640009]Are you implying it's completely impossible for muslims to integrate here or[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a strawman.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49639999]Multiculturalism is fine. However, when the cultural differences are too large it just doesn't work out.[/QUOTE]
The only time it is guaranteed to not work out is when the state is corrupt or the justice system is severely flawed, this is why noone will ever use countries like Syria or Iraq as an example of multi-cultural success
Western European countries have been accepting a broad range of migrants with vastly different religions for decades upon decades and we're only saying right now that it'll all end in anarchy because that's what the media wants us to think, they convince us by publishing article after article with emotionally loaded language, sensationalism, wildly twisted statistics or badly made surveys
Yeah, its true, the transition for the migrants in the crisis has been less than silky smooth, and there have been a fair few cases of abhorrent stuff going on perhaps partly because they're unused to the way we do things, but lets face it - the E.U agreed to bring in hundreds of thousands of migrants. You take a hundred thousand people from anywhere on the planet and you'll have criminals and lowlife scum amongst them.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49640009]Are you implying it's completely impossible for muslims to integrate here or[/QUOTE]
Give me examples of large Muslim communities that have integrated into European society.
To quote Merkel herself:
[QUOTE]Multiculturalism has failed[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49640009]Are you implying it's completely impossible for muslims to integrate here or[/QUOTE]
Not completely impossible. But for alot of them, integration practically means disavowing their culture. Since its so ass backward its practically incompatible.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49640009]Are you implying it's completely impossible for muslims to integrate here or[/QUOTE]
The muslims that have traditionally immigrated to countries such as Canada have always been the educated liberal parts of their societies coming for work.
Many of the people coming into Europe right now are coming simply because their homelands have been destroyed or are coming to benefit off of the generous European welfare states. Many of these people will almost certainly have values incompatible with those of the west.
This is why Sweden is now the rape capital of the world, why violent crime is on the rise in countries such as the UK and why anti-semitic attacks are on the rise. Germany accepted Turks after ww2 and many of those people have also failed to integrate and thats Turks, the most progressive and secular people in the Islamic world
first time they try to empty out a migrant camp there will be riots, they've done worse for less so far
This really seems like the sort of thing she should of mentioned when she invited the hordes over the borders in the first place.
[QUOTE=zupadupazupadude;49640009]Are you implying it's completely impossible for muslims to integrate here or[/QUOTE]
It's not impossible, but it is clear that there are significant issues among them, which leads to them failing to integrate even after multiple generations, despite other immigrants from other cultures, such as Indonesians and Vietnamese, integrating and assimilating within one single generation without much trouble.
But good luck ever seeing the left acknowledge that there are problems. Remember Pim Fortuyn? He called this sort of stuff for more than 16 years ago, when it was already clear that there were significant issues going on with muslims integrating into Europa, and such, tried to discuss closing down the Netherlands' borders if he got elected, since you cannot solve an issue by just letting it increase. He also pointed out how the left was letting in hordes of immigrants who were against the, for the time, very liberal values the Netherlands had, such as rights for homosexuals and lesbians. It should also be noted that Fortuyn was one of the few Dutch politicians who was openly homosexual.
The man got fucking hounded by the leftist media here right until his assassination on 6 May 2002 by far-left terrorist Volkert van der Graaf. His party was leading in the polls at that moment, and he would probably have been elected President if he wasn't assassinated in the first political assassination in the Netherlands in over three centuries. And van der Graaf only got 12 years of prison time for it, which is without a doubt one of the biggest juridical injustices the country has ever known.
I seriously wonder how we would have been off if he wasn't assassinated. Maybe we wouldn't be in this fucking mess right now.
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