• Brexit: 'Breakthrough' deal paves way for future trade talks
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[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42277040[/url] [quote]PM Theresa May has struck a last minute deal with the EU in a bid to move Brexit talks on to the next phase. There will be no "hard border" with Ireland and EU citizens in the UK, and UK citizens in the EU, will see their rights protected. The so-called "divorce bill" will amount to between £35bn and £40bn, the BBC understands. The European Commission president said it was a "breakthrough" and he was confident EU leaders will approve it.[/quote]
At this point, a deal collapse will be better for the UK considering the compromises within that agreement. Even with some careful writing in the deal, the next couple days will be very interesting.
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52958410]At this point, a deal collapse will be better for the UK considering the compromises within that agreement. Even with some careful writing in the deal, the next couple days will be very interesting.[/QUOTE] How so? This deal seems a bit vague but anything which gets us further away from WTO rules is a win in my book
If you listen really hard you can hear Jacob Rees Mogg choking on his morning swan sandwich.
Soft Brexit please. Or none at all.
[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;52958418]If you listen really hard you can hear Jacob Rees Mogg choking on his morning swan sandwich.[/QUOTE] The first I heard about the deal was this tweet, and it put a big smile on my face [media]https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/939080569383727104[/media]
[QUOTE=Bob The Knob;52958417]How so? This deal seems a bit vague but anything which gets us further away from WTO rules is a win in my book[/QUOTE] It is pretty vague, but that is intentional and is probably subject to heavy change. The issue is that there will be a number/limit the UK government is using to determine how far the country monetary/law wise Brexit negotiations can be pushed before there comes losses that would be better served on WTO rules and just crashing out the EU. From the looks of it, the ECJ will still be heavily involved, NI is currently resolved that if parties can't agree in the future the UK stays in the market/customs union, though that is pretty wordy that gives a lot of room. As well as the money, sunset clauses in 8 years, its a bit of a mess, she broke through probably all the red lines her party gave. Someone will be doing a calculation over there and determine if it is still worth it especially if the trade deal is bad, which will be ultimate decider at the end of this. All up its a bit of a mess, that in the end still says fully leaving in a way.
Thank god. Now I can be less worried for my friends over there. They're gonna get shafted, but at least not as much as a hard deal/ no deal. I hate to say this, but I think I like May a bit now. At least she is doing something. Better than nothing I guess.
What an outcome. This is incredible.
May's statement surrounding Ireland, which clears a lot of things up. [URL]https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/665870/prime-ministers-commitments-to-northern-ireland.pdf[/URL]
[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;52958437] I hate to say this, but I think I like May a bit now. At least she is doing something. Better than nothing I guess.[/QUOTE] The only thing to like here is the ineptitude and the weakness of the UK's negotiation stance, which has delivered a not totally insane outcome [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] also, can we take a moment to appreciate that Ireland, a small country with marginal economic power just punched FAR above it's weight and forced the outcome it wanted in negotiation with the UK because it had the backing of the EU like, one of the pro-remain arguments around "collective bargaining", that the membership of the EU gave enormous soft power in negotiations was just given a stunning demonstration
[QUOTE=Boilrig;52958493]May's statement surrounding Ireland, which clears a lot of things up. [URL]https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/665870/prime-ministers-commitments-to-northern-ireland.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE] This weekend's going to be "fun", but I ultimately think this will turn out better than the alternative.
[QUOTE=Redcoat893;52958585]This weekend's going to be "fun", but I ultimately think this will turn out better than the alternative.[/QUOTE] It really depends on how the FTA comes out, which is why we've had the comment from Ireland that it nows backs the UK because if the FTA falls through because the EU wants to put the hard line to the UK, then everything collapses as these documents are only a framework moving forward and are in no way binding. The ball is in the EU's court not to screw this up, next stage will be very interesting to follow.
Welcome back to 'the traitors', Mrs May. Was the other side just [i]too[/i] insane? [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] That raises an important question: Can the head of state be an enemy of the state?
[QUOTE=Jon27;52959686]Welcome back to 'the traitors', Mrs May. Was the other side just [i]too[/i] insane? [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] That raises an important question: Can the head of state be an enemy of the state?[/QUOTE] The head of state is the Queen, the Prime Minister is just head of government
[QUOTE=Jon27;52959686]Welcome back to 'the traitors', Mrs May. Was the other side just [i]too[/i] insane? [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] That raises an important question: Can the head of state be an enemy of the state?[/QUOTE] "If the president does it, its not illegal."
Eat shit, May. Can't wait for more moments for you to realize that Brexit was a fucking awful idea!
[QUOTE=Jon27;52959686]Welcome back to 'the traitors', Mrs May. Was the other side just [i]too[/i] insane? [editline]8th December 2017[/editline] That raises an important question: Can the head of state be an enemy of the state?[/QUOTE] Queen-PM difference notwithstanding, we already know they can, in the form of Trump.
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52964303]Eat shit, May. Can't wait for more moments for you to realize that Brexit was a fucking awful idea![/QUOTE] Oh I don't doubt that she already knows this, if I remember correctly, she was a remainer herself, but since all the leave proponents bailed after the result, Maybot managed to slither into the PM seat. It's been a losing battle from the start though, because we've wasted over a year repeating 'strong and stable' and getting nowhere because May desperately needed to look like she was a hard negotiator arguing for a better deal for the UK, but the EU holds all the cards. Now we're making progress and the leavers are obviously not happy, because we'd blatantly be better staying in the EU and retaining some control over regulations rather than just being subject to them. This was pretty much the only way the deal was going to go though.
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