Rand Paul Suggests Children Of Illegal Immigrants Should Not Be U.S. Citizens
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[release]Here's another one for the list of out-there Rand Paul statements...
Paul recently suggested to a Russian TV station that the U.S. should abandon its policy of granting citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants -- even if they're born on U.S. soil.
Paul also said he's discussed instituting an "underground electrical fence" on the border to keep out unwanted elements, though he emphasized that he's "not opposed to letting people come in and work and labor in our country."
The real problem, Paul said, is that the U.S. "shouldn't provide an easy route to citizenship" because of "demographics."
According to Paul, the proportion of Mexican immigrants that register as Democrats is 3-to-1, so of course "the Democrat Party is for easy citizenship."
He added: "We're the only country that I know that allows people to come in illegally, have a baby, and then that baby becomes a citizen. And I think that should stop also."
The 14th Amendment grants citizenship to anyone born in the United States, regardless of whether or not their parents are U.S. citizens.
Paul's not alone here. Others have suggested that the U.S. should change this part of the Constitution, including 90 House Republicans who have co-sponsored a bill that seeks to do just that.
But not so fast! Experts have told TPM that this is "clearly unconstitutional."
Immigration talk comes in at around the 8:30 mark:
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Rand Paul is an asshole.
That is incredibly dumb.
While I agree with him, it's a damn stupid idea, considering how fucking hard it is to change the constitution.
I know I'll get flamed for this, but meh.
I agree.
It is wrong that alot of illegal immigrants come here and have a kid specifically to get benefits/avoid being deported. Nevertheless, it's unfair to the individual children to refuse them citizenship.
The punishment shouldn't be placed on the child. They didn't choose where to be born.
It's a prime motivation for illegal immigrants. Come here and have a baby. What possible benefits are there for keeping it?
And it's not punishing the child at all, it's just no longer rewarding them.
He's not talking about taking away citizenship from those already born here.
Seems like a good idea, but then again like the post above said I don't think the children should be punished. Still, I think it's fair enough.
Hey, hey Rand!
[quote]Article 15
1. Everyone has the right to a nationality.
2. No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his nationality nor denied the right to change his nationality.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22224886]Hey, hey Rand![/QUOTE]
what document is that, it doesn't look like it applies
either way he's talking about amending the constitution, which I'm pretty sure is still allowed
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22224886]Hey, hey Rand![/QUOTE]
Pretty damn simple fix. The kids take the nationality [I]of the parents![/I] :downs:
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22224886]Hey, hey Rand![/QUOTE]
What is that Article from?
[QUOTE=Mexican;22224934]what document is that, it doesn't look like it applies
either way he's talking about amending the constitution, which I'm pretty sure is still allowed[/QUOTE]
It's the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which applies to all UN member states.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22224987]What is that Article from?[/QUOTE]
Universal Declaration of Human Rights
(which is not a legally binding document)
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22224994]It's the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which applies to all UN member states.[/QUOTE]
okay, but that doesn't mean "if they're born in your country you have to make them citizens", but it does mean "if they're already citizens you can't take that away", however Rand isn't talking about taking it away from people who already have it, just changing it so from that point on it can't happen anymore.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22224968]Pretty damn simple fix. The kids take the nationality [I]of the parents![/I] :downs:[/QUOTE]
Don't you have to be born, or live in for a certain number of years/months per year to apply for citizenship, usually?
I'm pretty sure that's how it is for Canada, at least, but I'm not 100% certain
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22224994]It's the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which applies to all UN member states.[/QUOTE]
He's not depriving anyone of "a" citizenship. He's denying the kids having [I]US[/I] citizenship. The children would have the parents citizenship.
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22225027]Don't you have to be born, or live in for a certain number of years/months per year to apply for citizenship, usually?
I'm pretty sure that's how it is for Canada, at least, but I'm not 100% certain[/QUOTE]
You have to be born, but you don't have to live in the US for a while in order to get citizenship, I believe. You can apply the moment you step ground here.
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22224994]It's the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which applies to all UN member states.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and it means a country can't force a person to accept another nationality. I.e. you can't invade and force people to accept the invading country's nationality.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;22225062]Yeah, and it means a country can't force a person to accept another nationality. I.e. you can't invade and force people to accept the invading country's nationality.[/QUOTE]
It wouldn't apply, still. We're not forcing them into another citizenship seeing how we would be depriving them of US citizenship in the first place. They wouldn't be "forced away from US nationality" given that they would never of had it.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22225052]You have to be born, but you don't have to live in the US for a while in order to get citizenship, I believe. You can apply the moment you step ground here.[/QUOTE]
Well, I meant to be eligible for instead of apply for
Also, it's probably worth noting that Canadian citizenship is also granted at birth on Canadan soil, contrary to Rand's claim that the Us is unique in that regard
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22224782]I know I'll get flamed for this, but meh.
I agree.[/QUOTE]
:cawg:
and you keep claiming you're not a Republican
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22224968]Pretty damn simple fix. The kids take the nationality [I]of the parents![/I] :downs:[/QUOTE]
So you're saying Mexico should just allow these kids into their country, gratis?
Illegal immigration goes both ways.
[QUOTE=TH89;22225162]So you're saying Mexico should just allow these kids into their country, gratis?
Illegal immigration goes both ways.[/QUOTE]
If we're deporting the parents, why not?
[QUOTE=TH89;22225162]So you're saying Mexico should just allow these kids into their country, gratis?
Illegal immigration goes both ways.[/QUOTE]
shit I didn't even think of that
that sucks
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Wait can Mexico ever be like "fuck off we don't want you here" and the deport people we deported back to America?
[QUOTE=Mexican;22225191]
Wait can Mexico ever be like "fuck off we don't want you here" and the deport people we deported back to America?[/QUOTE]
That is the gist of their immigration laws.
I do not agree with Rand Paul on this subject.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22225188]If we're deporting the parents, why not?[/QUOTE]
The parents are Mexican citizens. The kids aren't.
Mexico isn't a trash heap where you can just throw anybody you don't want to deal with. It's a country.
Rand Paul is a true hero, I hope he becomes president some day.
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