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A postal worker says a mysterious leaking package from Yemen has left him seriously ill, but the U.S. Postal Service denies the package ever existed.
The Florida Center for Investigative Reporting, in a story printed in Sunday's Miami Herald and The Ledger of Lakeland, reported ( [url]http://hrld.us/M9QapW[/url] ) that Jeffrey A. Lill suffers from extreme fatigue, tremors, and liver and neurological problems. The symptoms are consistent with toxic exposure, problems that he said began after he handled the leaking package on Feb. 4, 2011.
The center tracked down co-workers who said that they saw and smelled the package and that Lill, now 44, acted to protect them. The missing package has created a mystery — and determining what was in it, if it existed, could be the key to curing Lill.
"I think they've just been protecting themselves," said George Chuzi, a Washington lawyer helping Lill and his family pressure USPS to investigate. "If we're right, they didn't do something they were supposed to do."
USPS denies that Lill was exposed to a potentially toxic package. Postal service officials declined comment when contacted by FCIR, but in a March 9 letter to Chuzi, USPS lawyer Isabel M. Robison acknowledged that a harmless spill had occurred on Feb. 2, 2011. But she said nothing was spilled on Feb. 4, 2011.
"A review of Postal Service records and multiple inquiries at both the Area and District levels has confirmed — as we previously indicated — that there was no hazardous spill on February 4, 2011 at the Orlando" mail processing center, she wrote.
But Lill and his co-workers Paz Oquendo and Yolanda Ocasio told a different story. Oquendo said she smelled the noxious odor first, which was coming from one of the large mailbags hanging near the package-conveyor belts.
She said she told Lill, the shift supervisor monitoring sorting from a platform.
Lill headed toward the center of the sorting floor — an area workers call "the belly" — to investigate.
Then he smelled it — a strong chemical stench that he said he couldn't identify. It was coming from a bag wet with a brown, viscous substance. Lill looked in the wet sack and saw a broken package with tubes and wires sticking out. He remembers reading the return address with surprise: Yemen. Four months earlier, two bombs from Yemen had been sent through FedEx and UPS in an unsuccessful al-Qaida attempt to blow up cargo planes, and the postal service had alerted its workers to be on the lookout for packages coming from the southern end of the Arabian Peninsula.
Fearing the package was hazardous, Lill ordered the 40 postal employees out of the belly and immediately opened the large bay doors for ventilation. Lill said he then moved the bag to a cart and pushed it outside to the hazmat shed.
Lill said he then radioed his manager to notify her of the suspicious spill. She told him the next on-duty supervisor would finish handling the incident. FCIR obtained a time-stamped email Lill sent to his supervisor, Cynthia Hickman, reporting the exposure to a potentially toxic substance. Hickman did not respond to requests for comment.
Lill said that after the moving the package, his throat burned and the fumes gave him a headache. He called his mother in Rochester, N.Y., in case it made the news.[/quote]
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/postal-worker-mystery-package-made-ill-16338284#.T7Et1Ostgs4[/url]
And it being a mystery made it even scarier.
It was probably the mailbag filled with a bunch of fan letters to porn stars.
It was liquid terrorists.
An early, failed bombing attempt?
Anthrax perhaps,.... or posssibly a new super virus that will destroy us all!
likely placebo effect.
why the dumbs? i read the entire OP and came to a perfectly logical conclusion. some of the effects he experienced are commonly associated with fear & anxiety, coupled with the fact that there were bomb fears at the depot it would seem entirely likely he worked himself up into his state. the only 'proof' in the op i see is that he claimed all this happened, and when the lawyers came out and said there wasn't even a spill it was clear that a year on he decided to make a quick bit of cash from a fearmongering ABC article.
please, don't follow the bandwagon, come to your own conclusion, and even if you don't agree with my view feel free to challenge me in a way that isn't so lazy as to simply press one button beneath my post that vaguely resembles a box.
[QUOTE=Bobie;35954156]likely placebo effect.[/QUOTE]
" a mysterious leaking package... A. Lill suffers from extreme fatigue, tremors, and liver and neurological problems. The symptoms are consistent with toxic exposure, Then he smelled it — a strong chemical stench that he said he couldn't identify "'
Read the OP once in a while. This is horrible.
[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;35954234]" a mysterious leaking package... A. Lill suffers from extreme fatigue, tremors, and liver and neurological problems. The symptoms are consistent with toxic exposure, Then he smelled it — a strong chemical stench that he said he couldn't identify "'
Read the OP once in a while. This is horrible.[/QUOTE]
He has a point, but it's a pretty wild claim to make after only hearing the list of symptoms.
All of those symptoms can be reasonably caused by nothing more than a strong sense of fear, aside from the liver problems.
[quote]Lill said he then radioed his manager to notify her of the suspicious spill. She told him the next on-duty supervisor would finish handling the incident.[/quote]
This seems suspicious, especially the day and age we live in where we detain infants because they're name is on the do-not-fly list. If something like this happened, the postal service should have dealt with it immediately, not "eh I'll do it later". Personally I think he should have called hazmat over himself. Either way someone here isn't being truthful.
Packages make me 3 in roman numerals constantly
[QUOTE=GeneralFredrik;35954234]" a mysterious leaking package... A. Lill suffers from extreme fatigue, tremors, and liver and neurological problems. The symptoms are consistent with toxic exposure, Then he smelled it — a strong chemical stench that he said he couldn't identify "'
Read the OP once in a while. This is horrible.[/QUOTE]
[quote]USPS denies that Lill was exposed to a potentially toxic package. Postal service officials declined comment when contacted by FCIR, but in a March 9 letter to Chuzi, USPS lawyer Isabel M. Robison acknowledged that a harmless spill had occurred on Feb. 2, 2011. But she said nothing was spilled on Feb. 4, 2011.[/quote]
'Read the OP once in a while. This is horrible.'
Sounds like something that would be on Unsolved Mysteries.
But the fact the U.S Postal Service denied its existance points to either the person who recieved the package attempting to screw over the USPS or, though unlikely, some kind of crazy coverup by USPS.
[editline]14th May 2012[/editline]
Sounds like something that would be on Unsolved Mysteries.
But the fact the U.S Postal Service denied its existance points to either the person who recieved the package attempting to screw over the USPS or, though unlikely, some kind of crazy coverup by USPS to hide a terrorist attack.
[QUOTE=Bobie;35954156]likely placebo effect.
why the dumbs?[/QUOTE]
Because placebo is what it's called when you're given fake medicine and get better because you think it'll work. This isn't placebo. And the outright denial by the USPS is a [i]little[/i] suspicious, innit?
[QUOTE=Trogdon;35954589]Packages make me 3 in roman numerals constantly[/QUOTE]
it took me a minute to get this
Shouldn't there be 40 employees that could corroborate with his statement?
[QUOTE=Bobie;35954156]likely placebo effect.
why the dumbs? i read the entire OP and came to a perfectly logical conclusion. some of the effects he experienced are commonly associated with fear & anxiety, coupled with the fact that there were bomb fears at the depot it would seem entirely likely he worked himself up into his state. the only 'proof' in the op i see is that he claimed all this happened, and when the lawyers came out and said there wasn't even a spill it was clear that a year on he decided to make a quick bit of cash from a fearmongering ABC article.
please, don't follow the bandwagon, come to your own conclusion, and even if you don't agree with my view feel free to challenge me in a way that isn't so lazy as to simply press one button beneath my post that vaguely resembles a box.[/QUOTE]
Reading this my post will make your liver fail.
Enjoy slow and painful death!
(don't worry guys rest of you aren't this retarded so you are safe unlike him)
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35956106]Reading this my post will make your liver fail.
Enjoy slow and painful death!
(don't worry guys rest of you aren't this retarded so you are safe unlike him)[/QUOTE]
please, enlighten me as to why i am retarded. so far from the people disagreeing with me i have only had insults...
[QUOTE=Bobie;35956129]please, enlighten me as to why i am retarded. so far from the people disagreeing with me i have only had insults...[/QUOTE]
You are misusing a term which could be VERY BROADLY generalized and then used to describe your idea which is, by the way, completely moronic.
Firstly, what's placebo:
[quote=Wiki]
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In medical research, placebos are given as [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_control"]control[/URL] treatments and depend on the use of measured deception. Common placebos are inert tablets, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sham_surgery"]sham surgery[/URL],[SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo#cite_note-inquiry_cfm-2"][3][/URL][/SUP] and other procedures based on false information.[SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo#cite_note-Lanotte-0"][1][/URL][/SUP] However, placebos can also have a surprisingly positive effect on a patient who knows that the given treatment is without any active drug, as compared with a control group who knowingly did [I]not[/I] get a placebo.[SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo#cite_note-Kaptchuk_et_al-3"][4][/URL][/SUP]
In one common placebo procedure, however, a patient is given an inert pill, told that it may improve his/her condition, but not told that it is in fact inert. Such an intervention may cause the patient to believe the treatment will change his/her condition; and this belief may produce a subjective perception of a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_effect"]therapeutic effect[/URL], causing the patient to feel their condition has improved — or an actual improvement in their condition. This phenomenon is known as the placebo effect.[/quote]
See anything about poisons and negative effects mentioned? No. Because that's not called placebo, that's being presumptive, jumpy on conclussions, etc.
Secondly, the actual connection between his testimony and his state.
He is seriously ill, he has explanation, and further exploring it gives him chance of getting cured.
You just come and go "OH I THINK it's just a coincidence nobody should care go let him die"
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35956258]You are misusing a term which could be VERY BROADLY generalized and then used to describe your idea which is, by the way, completely moronic.
He is seriously ill, he has explanation, and further exploring it gives him chance of getting cured.
You just come and go "OH I THINK it's just a coincidence nobody should care go let him die"[/QUOTE]
and now we completely miss the point of the thread for 9 pages because someone likes to use pretentious words without knowing what they mean
[QUOTE=calebc789;35955586]Sounds like something that would be on Unsolved Mysteries.
But the fact the U.S Postal Service denied its existance points to either the person who recieved the package attempting to screw over the USPS or, though unlikely, some kind of crazy coverup by USPS.
[/quote]
well, if they really don't want to have to pay workmans comp to the guy, they would try to cover it up, since this kind of thing they could be forced to pay for all medical expenses
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35956258]You are misusing a term which could be VERY BROADLY generalized and then used to describe your idea which is, by the way, completely bogus.
He is seriously ill, he has explanation, and further exploring it gives him chance of getting cured.
You just come and go "OH I THINK it's just a coincidence nobody should care go let him die"[/QUOTE]
you're clearly very new to debating. telling me my argument is false does not make your point right, and not once did i say i thought he should die (seriously, where do you come out with this stuff).i'm not debating whether or not he's seriously ill. im making reference to how he felt a year ago, and what he's experiencing now.
there's nothing in the article that would say the two are linked, and given how radiation poisoning works (and most other things people from yemen could fit into a small package) the effects work within months, weeks or even days - not an entire year.
[QUOTE=Bobie;35956340]you're clearly very new to debating. telling me my argument is false does not make your point right, and not once did i say i thought he should die (seriously, where do you come out with this stuff).i'm not debating whether or not he's seriously ill. im making reference to how he felt a year ago, and what he's experiencing now.
there's nothing in the article that would say the two are linked, and given how radiation poisoning works (and most other things people from yemen could fit into a small package) the effects work within months, weeks or even days - not an entire year.[/QUOTE]
Liver usually fail from slow cumulative damage, as it holds up what would kill the body otherwise, until it fails, itself.
I don't get where you got radiation from, because it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. It can be just heavy metals or whatever.
Thing it's not common that doctors would have no idea why are someone's liver failing. Real life isn't Dr. House.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35956404]Liver usually fails from slow cumulative damage, as it holds up what would kill the body otherwise, until it fails, itself.
I don't get where you got radiation from, because it doesn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. It can be just heavy metals or whatever.
Thing it's not common that doctors would have no idea why are someone's liver failing. Real life isn't Dr. House.[/QUOTE]
aside from the pointless rhetoric im not afraid to admit that i have no idea what's effecting him, but the article mentioned that the symptoms were synonymous with toxic exposure, something most commonly related to acute radiation poisoning. it is also likely after this event that he wouldve been required to see a doctor very regularly to ensure that he wasn't suffering cumulative damage like you've mentioned,
so something seems extremely off that though the company denies this happens, other colleagues have contact with the package and experience literally [I]nothing[/I]. im not saying real life is dr house, im saying that there is an element at which i believe neither parties are 100% believable
im glad you talked about this though, its much nicer to have a serious debate than be rated dumb consistently, at least now i can change my views and broaden my knowledge on these subjects.
Sounds like something that would be on Unsolved Mysteries.
But the fact the U.S Postal Service denied its existance points to either the person who recieved the package attempting to screw over the USPS or, though unlikely, some kind of crazy coverup by USPS to hide a terrorist attack.
EDIT: Damnit, double post (look up)
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;35956258]You are misusing a term which could be VERY BROADLY generalized and then used to describe your idea which is, by the way, completely moronic.
Firstly, what's placebo:
See anything about poisons and negative effects mentioned? No. Because that's not called placebo, that's being presumptive, jumpy on conclussions, etc.
Secondly, the actual connection between his testimony and his state.
He is seriously ill, he has explanation, and further exploring it gives him chance of getting cured.
You just come and go "OH I THINK it's just a coincidence nobody should care go let him die"[/QUOTE]
Hi. What Bobie wants to say is that this could possibly be a "[B]no[/B]cebo" effect, the opposite of a placebo effect. You are arguing semantics.
I am not agreeing with Bobie, nor am I disagreeing with you, but your argument is dumb and you should try to make up an actual argument instead. Right now you are using a sort of strawman argument where you make it so it seems Bobies' whole argument is based on the use of a word.
You knew what he meant by saying placebo, a "negative placebo effect" just happens to have another name.
That being said Nocebo is kind of an controversial thing, but that's a different argument.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocebo[/url]
[QUOTE=Bobie;35956534]other colleagues have contact with the package and experience literally [I]nothing[/I][/QUOTE]
It doesn't actually say they touched it, it says they smelled it, and helped locate it. Afterward, they all evacuated the building. Lill is the one who not only stayed behind, but moved it out of the building and into a containment shed. He had the most exposure to the device by far.
I bet it was dragon dildos.
[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;35958699]I bet it was dragon dildos.[/QUOTE]
[i]Used[/i] dragon dildos
It was another postal worker's ass.
Postal's prototype mega barney clone.
Run.
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