BREAKING: Kidnapped IDF soldier confirmed dead by IDF
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[quote]The missing Israeli soldier who had been feared captured is dead, the military said Saturday, a day after the Israeli Defense Forces said it believed he was "kidnapped" and dragged into a tunnel by militants.
Goldin was reported missing after an ambush by militants Friday morning that left two other IDF soldiers dead. The military said then it believed militants abducted Goldin and “dragged him into a tunnel.” Hamas’ military wing later said that Goldin was killed along with the militants who may have captured him during an Israeli bombardment.
In announcing the death Saturday, the IDF only said Goldin was "killed in combat" Friday. Military officials and the military's chief rabbi informed the family moments before the announcement was made.
The violence and alleged capture occurred less than two hours after a 72-hour cease-fire was set to go in effect. More than 1,700 Palestinians have been killed, including 112 who died Friday, in the conflict that began July 8. Israel has lost 63 soldiers and 3 civilians in the fighting.[/quote]
[url]http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/missing-israeli-soldier-hadar-goldin-dead-military-says-n171356[/url]
[quote=OP]the IDF only said Goldin was "killed in combat"[/quote]
Unsurprising. Prior [URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2014/08/hamas-denies-taking-missing-israeli-soldier-201481232448284971.html"]Hamas denies capturing an Israeli solider:[/URL]
[quote]The al-Qassam Brigades said: [B]"We have no idea about where the Israeli soldier is or what is the situation.
"We lost contact with the group who made the suicide mission near Rafah after it was done. And we believe everyone in this group was killed by an Israeli air strike including the Israeli soldier who the Israelis are talking about having disappeared."
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The UN also called for the release of Goldin. In a statement, a spokesman for Ban Ki-moon, said: "The [UN] secretary-general demands the immediate and unconditional release of the captured soldier."
Obama blamed Hamas for breaking the ceasefire, while Hamas said that Israeli forces were conducting operations east of Rafah after the ceasefire went into effect.[/quote]
But at least Israel was able to trump up short-term support while [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive"]target practicing all over Rafah[/URL] and in the perception of who broke the ceasefire.
Israel lying about Hamas kidnapping people? Isn't Israel lying about Hamas kidnapping people what started this in the first place?
[QUOTE]My sympathy to the hundred or so Palestinian civilians who are about to die in the next IDF revenge bombing.[/QUOTE]
Edit: Rest in peace, it's sad to see this bloody operation continue.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575849]I also have sympathy for the soldiers fresh out of highschool that are murdered by the worst of cowards.[/QUOTE]
When Israeli solders die, its "murder". When Innocent Palestinians die, its "collateral damage".
[QUOTE]And this justifies mass-slaughter of civilians? What the fuck?[/QUOTE]
I never said that, I express sadness for both. You do not.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575849]I also have sympathy for the soldiers fresh out of highschool that are murdered by the worst of cowards.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575849]worst of cowards.[/QUOTE]
yes, sitting in an easily collapsible underground tunnel, waiting to attack a vastly numerically and technologically superior force is cowardly.
[QUOTE]yes, sitting in an easily collapsible underground tunnel, waiting to attack a vastly numerically and technologically superior force is cowardly.[/QUOTE]
As is using your people as human shields. I'm not here to justify anything, but Hamas' intentions are nothing beyond evil. It's sad to see you invade a thread about this poor soldier just to circlejerk vapidly.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]As is using your people as human shields.[/QUOTE]
IDF forces a 9 year old boy to open suspicious bags...
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail[/url]
IDF uses a handcuffed teenager as a human shield while shooting at other teenagers for throwing stones.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-VWY-dTfas[/url]
UN criticises Israel for using children as human shields to clear buildings, stand in front of military vehicles, and check suspect bags.
[url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.530993[/url]
A 13 year old boy was beaten then tied to the front of an IDF vehicle, left there for 4 hours.
[url]http://www.omct.org/rights-of-the-child/urgent-interventions/israel/2004/04/d16871/[/url]
Israeli defense minister PERSONALLY appears in court to defend the use of human shields by the IDF:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm[/url]
IDF use 11 year old boy as human shield in gaza
[url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-troops-used-11-year-old-boy-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.272716[/url]
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]As is using your people as human shields.[/QUOTE]
yes, they should find the only fields in gaza and wait for a large bomb to hit them, this is a genius strategy
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]As is using your people as human shields.[/QUOTE]
that is complete bullshit as technically the entirety of gaza is a human sheild
Must you all turn this in to a debate? A mans life was lost. I don't care which side he was on. It is a tragedy.
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;45575923]yes, they should find the only fields in gaza and wait for a large bomb to hit them, this is a genius strategy[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that 48% of Gaza's arable land (fields and such) lie upon Israeli imposed kill-zones.
can we ban "BREAKING:" in titles unless its like a massive terrorist attack or outbreak of war or something
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]As is[/QUOTE]
Are these the two words you intended to use?
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]using your people as human shields.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, using them as human shields, it's not like they are living in what is essentially a ghetto or anything. How should they hide their weapons?
when your entire world is a city you don't have a lot of options when it comes to hiding weapons where people don't live.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]human shield[/QUOTE]
I've yet to actually see hamas pick up children and literally carry them as shields, or strap them to vehicles like the IDF often does in the west bank.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]Hamas' intentions are nothing beyond evil.[/QUOTE]
interesting, tell me more, because it seems to me that wanting to lash out is a perfectly natural reaction to being forcibly removed from your home, walled up in a ghetto and then brutally bombed every couple of years.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]It's sad to see you invade a thread about this poor soldier just to circlejerk vapidly.[/QUOTE]
Yes, we have no right to post here and comment about the possibility of massive civilian casualties as a result of this incident, or comment on the silly unthinking things that you are posting.
[QUOTE]Yes, we have no right to post here and comment about the possibility of massive civilian casualties as a result of this incident, or comment on the silly unthinking things that you are posting.[/QUOTE]
A bit harsh, but you've got me there. If anything- I turned the poor soldier's death into an ugly debate. I'll snip my post for something a bit more mature.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45576043]A bit harsh, but you've got me there. If anything- I turned the poor soldier's death into an ugly debate. I'll snip my post for something a bit more mature.[/QUOTE]
it is a bit harsh, but when I see terrorists/insurgents/soldiers and such being called cowards when fighting enemies that are vastly superior to them; on what is literally being refereed to as a "suicide mission", I need to question the validity of their empathy and therefore their supposed sympathy for both sides.
if you want to have sympathy for both sides, you need to put yourself in their shoes.
the Isreali conscript out of highschool.
the Israeli civilian with a life on hold due to rocket attacks.
the Gazan child without a family.
the Hamas soldier who is twisted with rage.
i was under the impression that none of the soldiers who actually go into gaza are conscripts/kids out of highschool? i thought one of the israeli posters here said that
[QUOTE=The golden;45575835]My sympathy to the hundred or so Palestinian civilians who are about to die in the next IDF revenge bombing.[/QUOTE]
this is why we can't have a decent debate about the conflict
an israeli dies and your response is a sneering "oh yeah, well, what about the palestinians?" as though nobody has ever talked about them and you have to inform people in the most condescending manner possible
This will only ever stop when Hamas stops. Isriel wont lift the blockade,the International community will never care to support them,unless they are gone,and Palestinians wont stop joining to avenge there dead until Israel stops bombing them.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45577164]i was under the impression that none of the soldiers who actually go into gaza are conscripts/kids out of highschool? i thought one of the israeli posters here said that[/QUOTE]
Some are conscripts. The rest are reservists.
[QUOTE=Lamar;45575922]IDF forces a 9 year old boy to open suspicious bags...
[url]http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail[/url]
IDF uses a handcuffed teenager as a human shield while shooting at other teenagers for throwing stones.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-VWY-dTfas[/url]
UN criticises Israel for using children as human shields to clear buildings, stand in front of military vehicles, and check suspect bags.
[url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.530993[/url]
A 13 year old boy was beaten then tied to the front of an IDF vehicle, left there for 4 hours.
[url]http://www.omct.org/rights-of-the-child/urgent-interventions/israel/2004/04/d16871/[/url]
Israeli defense minister PERSONALLY appears in court to defend the use of human shields by the IDF:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4333982.stm[/url]
IDF use 11 year old boy as human shield in gaza
[url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/idf-troops-used-11-year-old-boy-as-human-shield-in-gaza-1.272716[/url][/QUOTE]
Silly you, they are not using their [I]own[/I] people as human shields, it's something [I]entirely different.[/I]
holy fuck it disgusts me how any of you can sympathize with Hamas
Really, take a step back and look at who you are favoring. Yes, Israel is doing an awful amount of inhumane actions. But realize if Hamas gets any chance, any upper hand, they wouldn't hesitate to do whatever they could. And thats without provocation.
[QUOTE=Marceline;45575899]As is using your people as human shields. I'm not here to justify anything, but Hamas' intentions are nothing beyond evil. It's sad to see you invade a thread about this poor soldier just to circlejerk vapidly.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=The golden;45578210]Nobody should be dieing here. Any death at all over this matter is an issue and not something anyone should be welcoming.
But unfortunately the IDF's response to taking even a tiny amount of casualties is to launch large offensives which results in hundreds of civilian deaths. The death of this one man may very well lead to dozens to even hundreds being killed. That is the simple fact of the situation right now. The IDF have done this before multiple times and will not hesitate to do it again. The Palestinian death toll is over 1,500 right now.
It's difficult to mourn for a single person when his death means countless innocents are about to be slaughtered.[/QUOTE]
no i mean your original post is deliberately provocative and adds literally nothing to the debate. it is trite of the lowest order
I don't get why they aren't just calling this war.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45579368][B]holy fuck it disgusts me how any of you can sympathize with Hamas[/B]
Really, take a step back and look at who you are favoring. Yes, Israel is doing an awful amount of inhumane actions. But realize if Hamas gets any chance, any upper hand, they wouldn't hesitate to do whatever they could. And thats without provocation.[/QUOTE]
Who the fuck is sympathizing with Hamas here? Where the fuck did you read that?
Stop thinking that everyone who Criticize Israel is a Hamas supporter, the fuck man. Don't forget that Israel has been prosecuting Palestinians long before Hamas ever existed.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45579368]holy fuck it disgusts me how any of you can sympathize with Hamas[/QUOTE]
I'd say its more empathizing with concepts that allow movements like Hamas to exist.
Hamas is not the problem here, they're just another symptom.
[QUOTE=SGTSpartans;45579368]holy fuck it disgusts me how any of you can sympathize with Hamas
Really, take a step back and look at who you are favoring. Yes, Israel is doing an awful amount of inhumane actions. But realize if Hamas gets any chance, any upper hand, they wouldn't hesitate to do whatever they could. And thats without provocation.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you get it.
We don't support Hamas, but unlike Israel, nobody expects it to uphold standard of a civilized first world nation.
Israeli government is a democratically elected body with financial support by some of the most powerful powers in the world. Hamas is a religiously motivated insurgency group.
Even as far as militant groups participating on jihad go, Hamas is by far not the worst, compared to for instance Isis. Meanwhile, what Israel is doing, has absolutely no equivalent in recent history.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45579511]I don't think you get it.
We don't support Hamas, but unlike Israel, nobody expects it to uphold standard of a civilized first world nation.
Israeli government is a democratically elected body with financial support by some of the most powerful powers in the world. Hamas is a religiously motivated insurgency group.
Even as far as militant groups participating on jihad go, Hamas is by far not the worst, compared to for instance Isis. Meanwhile, what Israel is doing, [B]has absolutely no equivalent in recent history[/B].[/QUOTE]
And here we go again. Does recent history include American/Canadian/British involvement in Afghanistan Iraq, and Pakistan, the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, anything like that?
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