USA: 6 Million More Students With Bachelor’s Degrees Than Jobs Available for Them: One-third of thos
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[QUOTE]There are 6,455,300 more students with bachelor’s degrees today than jobs available for them, including jobs that would be created in the next seven years, according to data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) and the National Center for Education Statistics.
According to the education statistics, there were 35,632,000 Americans holding bachelor’s degrees from the age 25 to 64 in 2014. That number grows to 45,176,000 if you include those who are 20-24 and 65 years and older.
The BLS, which produces employment projections, calculates how many jobs will be added in the next 10 years with a breakdown by education level.
According to the BLS, there were 26,033,000 jobs that required a bachelor’s degree upon entry in 2012. That number is expected to grow to 29,176,700 jobs by 2022.
This means that the number of Americans who hold bachelor’s degrees now, in their working years, exceeds the number of jobs created by 2022 for bachelor’s degrees by 6,458,300.
“[B]Many more employers may well be asking for credentials mainly because they can, not because they now have the need for certain skills and abilities that people can learn in college and more importantly can only learn in college[/B],” said McCluskey.
“About one-third of people with bachelor’s degrees right now are in jobs that don’t require that credential,” he said. “Many of those are people who—it’s not just the new recent graduates looking for a job—these are many people who they have been on a permanent career track that isn’t a job requires a degree.”
“A problem is 10 years down the line with free college, there’s now, say, [B]60 percent of jobs that require some sort of credential to enter, but it’s not because the skills needed to do the job changed, it’s because you have even more people with degrees[/B],” he said.
According to the BLS, [B]from 2012 to 2022, which is the latest data available, there will be 15,628,000 jobs added[/B]. Only [B]3,143,600 of those require a bachelor’s degree.[/B]
The majority of the 15 million jobs added, [B]8,789,200, require no postsecondary education at all. These jobs would be available to those with a high school diploma or less.[/B][/QUOTE]
Going to sound like an asshole here, but people might need to realize you can't really chase your "dream job" for your work. Now its finding degrees for jobs that are actually available.
Some shit is just ridiculous. My Domino's was hiring for a delivery driver. They required a year of delivery experience.
Everywhere else I've applied is online applications and those get screened and scrutinized so bad it almost doesn't feel worth it to keep trying...
Then going to community college to get an associates degree in computer programming and only getting FAFSA grants is still fucking hard.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48909054]Some shit is just ridiculous. My Domino's was hiring for a delivery driver. They required a year of delivery experience.
Everywhere else I've applied is online applications and those get screened and scrutinized so bad it almost doesn't feel worth it to keep trying...
Then going to community college to get an associates degree in computer programming and only getting FAFSA grants is still fucking hard.[/QUOTE]
Reminds me of "need young candidate with over 12 years of experience"
How the fuck lol
also reminds me of my interviews for the local tech stores, which I sincerely have no idea of what the fuck they want out of a person.
What I do know is that both my friends who have been fired from a couple of those tech stores (one of which is Stapples, the other is national so, even worse) all said that its downright awful to work there. But these days, where isn't it awful?...
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48909028]Going to sound like an asshole here, but people might need to realize you can't really chase your "dream job" for your work. Now its finding degrees for jobs that are actually available.[/QUOTE]
At last, this study vindicates me. I would like to see the guy who told me it would be better for americans to stay in USA as the monthly salary in dollars is higher in USA than in LATAM or Argentina...
Yes, it kinda annoys me, because I cant conceive how people can be so....so disconnected from reality.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48909028]Going to sound like an asshole here, but people might need to realize you can't really chase your "dream job" for your work. Now its finding degrees for jobs that are actually available.[/QUOTE]
Ok, sure. I mean they don't tell you that when everyone is shoving their "go to college" cock down your throat until you suffocate, but yeah.
There still aren't enough jobs. If everyone who went to school got a degree that specialized them in a field that was in-demand, there still wouldn't be enough jobs.
If everyone got a valuable degree that translated to concrete earning, there still wouldn't be enough jobs.
There just aren't enough jobs. Bachelors' Degrees aren't worth anything anymore. They've been devalued by supply. We had this decade of push to maximize degrees, but all it's done is devalue degrees and create a generation with masses of loan debt. It's going to be interesting seeing what happens when that generation is frustrated and indebted in ten or twenty years because it's going to be a hellstorm. The system fucking broke on us, it devalued the one way forward while increasing the cost, it dangled the carrot and yanked it away.
[QUOTE='[Seed Eater];48909179']Bachelors' Degrees aren't worth anything anymore.[/QUOTE]
Not so distant future: "Entry level accountant needed. $40,000 starting. Ph.D required, tenure-track professor experience preferred."
Mandatory living allowance when? I think at this point it's obvious such a system is needed.
[QUOTE=OvB;48909212]Not so distant future: "Entry level accountant needed. $40,000 starting. Ph.D required, tenure-track professor experience preferred."[/QUOTE]
Oh fuck....I just realized my title doesnt grant me a master like it does for people in Germany...
Welp...seems like I'll have to follow the mechanic/carpenter to live my dream of living in Germany.
Else fails, I'll set up a consulting firm to guide people from EUR/USA on how to live in LATAM.
Else fails....the guns of the revolution will never be silenced
[QUOTE=OvB;48909212]Not so distant future: "Entry level accountant needed. $40,000 starting. Ph.D required, tenure-track professor experience preferred."[/QUOTE]
People who post "entry level" positions that require past work experience is really missing the point of an entry level position.
The US Government does this a lot and its a bitch to get through
The education system and job market are completely disconnected and make no sense. If you want to major that means 17 years of going to school/college. Think about it... 17 years to get prepared for job market. In 17 years you could potentially train a chimpanzee to be a CEO of a company.
Then to apply for a job you usually need few years of experience and of top of that now many ask for some random certificates, courses and shit too if you are in the IT sector. What was I doing in school/college passing all those test and exams for all these years ? All this should be an integral part of the education system and not disconnected like this. Lucky are those whose schools sorted all this out.
Taking this to an extreme; you shouldn't be obliged to fully pay for your degree until the college doesn't provide you with paid or unpaid internship or something, or you find something yourself, since the degree is often useless without it.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48909028]Going to sound like an asshole here, but people might need to realize you can't really chase your "dream job" for your work. Now its finding degrees for jobs that are actually available.[/QUOTE]
Why is this always the first response?
"Hehe heh I bet all 6 million of these kids have degrees in philosophy and studio art huehue"
It's hard to find a job out of college. It seems like unless you go for engineering, computers, or hard science then you're screwed and even then it's difficult. And not everyone wants a future in those fields.
I'm probably just going to end up going to teach English in some foreign country because shit looks just as bleak in Canada too.
Now is the time for trump.
Not really. Don't be THAT desperate, America.
[QUOTE=Archonos 2;48909590]Why is this always the first response?
"Hehe heh I bet all 6 million of these kids have degrees in philosophy and studio art huehue"
It's hard to find a job out of college. It seems like unless you go for engineering, computers, or hard science then you're screwed and even then it's difficult. And not everyone wants a future in those fields.[/QUOTE]
Science careers are hit or miss depending on what it is. A materials scientist might have better luck than a ethologist. Even then, there's a lot of bullshit and politics and begging for grant money in the hard sciences/academia as well.
There's [B][I]a lot[/I][/B] of science students that will [I]never[/I] work in their field.
[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;48909028]Going to sound like an asshole here, but people might need to realize you can't really chase your "dream job" for your work. Now its finding degrees for jobs that are actually available.[/QUOTE]
Go fuck yourself.
I spent four years crimping on expenses so I could get a degree in Philosophy-Pre-Law (because that's where I had the highest grades and proficiencies) to get [I]any[/I] job, and there aren't any jobs. Any. For anyone.
What? Should I have studied CS and programming so I could not have a job? Or applied math and engineering and not had a job? How about business and accounting so I could tell you the rate I'm losing money at?
Sincerely, go fuck yourself and your 'got mine why can't you get yours' attitude. That's why HR and hirerers are bleeding us for degrees anyways. Can't even work in the fucking cotton mill up north without a degree.
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[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;48909691]Go fuck yourself.
I spent four years crimping on expenses so I could get a degree in Philosophy-Pre-Law (because that's where I had the highest grades and proficiencies) to get [I]any[/I] job, and there aren't any jobs. Any. For anyone.
What? Should I have studied CS and programming so I could not have a job? Or applied math and engineering and not had a job? How about business and accounting so I could tell you the rate I'm losing money at?
Sincerely, go fuck yourself and your 'got mine why can't you get yours' attitude. That's why HR and hirerers are bleeding us for degrees anyways. Can't even work in the fucking cotton mill up north without a degree.
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With that attitude you could prolly get a job in the salt mines
You'd think this should only effect people with art degree's but
[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;48909691]Go fuck yourself.
I spent four years crimping on expenses so I could get a degree in Philosophy-Pre-Law (because that's where I had the highest grades and proficiencies) to get [I]any[/I] job, and there aren't any jobs. Any. For anyone.
What? Should I have studied CS and programming so I could not have a job? Or applied math and engineering and not had a job? How about business and accounting so I could tell you the rate I'm losing money at?
Sincerely, go fuck yourself and your 'got mine why can't you get yours' attitude. That's why HR and hirerers are bleeding us for degrees anyways. Can't even work in the fucking cotton mill up north without a degree.
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You got a philosophy degree and you are surprised that you don't have a job in that field? :rolleyes:
It's true though, either you get into a STEM field or it's going to be exponentially harder for you. All my friends who went in CS in the Silicon Valley right here instantly landed a job before they even graduated.
Hell, I'm currently trying to switch from my social work major to MIS
STEM is the way to go.
It honestly depends on a lot. I graduated with a degree in Marine Biology. As many of you can guess, there isn't an abundance of Marine Biology jobs out there. I spent months applying to not only local aquariums, labs, zoos, etc. But I also looked across the country and even internationally in some places and I got nothing, absolutely nothing.
So after giving up for a couple months, I took a complete 180 and tried somthing totally different. I took an EMT Class. Now here in Massachusetts, you only need to have graduated high school to be an EMT, along with all the training (of course.) I've been working for one of the local EMT companies around Boston since then. I'm only making around 40k a year right now, but once I become a full Paramedic, which takes about a year I could be making around 60k a year. And I love every second of my job aswell. Turns out my true calling was right infront of me and I never knew it, go figure.
[QUOTE=GURREN LAGANN;48910276][B]It's true though, either you get into a STEM field or it's going to be exponentially harder for you.[/B] All my friends who went in CS in the Silicon Valley right here instantly landed a job before they even graduated.
Hell, I'm currently trying to switch from my social work major to MIS[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DeEz;48910368][B]STEM is the way to go.[/B][/QUOTE]
I remember posting a while ago this thread, [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1483424&p=48571620"]STEM disruption[/URL]
[QUOTE]Not every person has the ability to learn these difficult skills — a[B]lmost half of US bachelor’s degree students who entered STEM fields between 2003 and 2009 had left these fields by spring 2009.[/B] In engineering, of every one hundred who start, only fifty-five make it to a degree. [B]The subject with the highest dropout rate in the UK is Computer science.[/B]
There are currently not enough STEM jobs for STEM graduates,[B] the shortage of stem workers is a complete myth[/B]. A 2014 study by the National Science Board found that [B]of 19.5 million holders of degrees in STEM, only 5.4 million were working in those fields[/B] The Center for Economic Policy and Research, [B]tracing graduates from 2010 through 2014, discovered that 28 percent of engineers and 38 percent of computer scientists were either unemployed or holding jobs that did not need their training.[/B]
In fact, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce,[B] between 2010 and 2011, the employment level of the entire U.S. STEM workforce (including workers at all education levels) grew by only 92,492 jobs.[/B]
[B]In fact more than 370,000 science and engineering jobs in the United States were lost in 2011[/B], according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Electrical and electronic engineering has been heavily outsourced abroad, [B]US employment in 2013 declined to about 300,000, down from about 385,000 in 2002.[/B][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=DeEz;48910368]STEM is the way to go.[/QUOTE]
not everyone wants to do a STEM field, but still wants to get education in a field they are interested in
[QUOTE=VOSK;48910374]
So after giving up for a couple months, I took a complete 180 and tried somthing totally different. I took an EMT Class. Now here in Massachusetts, you only need to have graduated high school to be an EMT, [B]along with all the training (of course.)[/B] [/QUOTE]
Is that training provided during your first months at work, and are those couple of months paid? Or is it something else?
[QUOTE=J!NX;48909841]You'd think this should only effect people with art degree's but[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because people don't deserve jobs because of their interests and fields of study right? The word you're looking for is probably "would" but
[QUOTE=draugur;48910580]Yeah, because people don't deserve jobs because of their interests and fields of study right? The word you're looking for is probably "would" but[/QUOTE]
well no one deserves a job ever
One thing I like about my dad is that he acknowledges how easy it was to get a job.
"If I didn't like it I just jumped to another one without any effort" or something along those lines. He got into oil, mining and construction and a bunch of other high end stuff without a degree.
[QUOTE=Code3Response;48910617]well no one deserves a job ever[/QUOTE]
Yeah, jobs are a gift we must earn by promising our children in a blood contract of serfdom to our corporate lords. Our generous benefactors will provide us with corporation provided housing, closer to work so we can save time and money on our commute, praise be.
[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48910622]One thing I like about my dad is that he acknowledges how easy it was to get a job.
"If I didn't like it I just jumped to another one without any effort" or something along those lines. He got into oil, mining and construction and a bunch of other high end stuff without a degree.[/QUOTE]
He was probably handed jobs exclusively based on "work experience" because he's older. That's literally it. HR logic pretty much follows, "10 years of experience in work, regardless of what kind, clearly means they're good enough to be anything."
unless you're talking literally fucking grunt work in oil, mines and construction, because literally any half wit can get those jobs if they apply. Pass a piss test and yeah you too can die of heat stroke, coal lung, etc. On site management for those jobs is literally just that but with a few years tacked on. Complete with all the hazing and workplace abuse that comes with those jobs, oh boy. I worked ranch work back in the U.S. when I was younger and I've done all kinds of other trash manual labour jobs. It was fucking trash long hours doing shit work for less than minimum wage or damn near minimum (agriculture jobs can pay below minimum wage just a little FYI). A job that doesn't pay a living wage comparative to the fucking conditions I work in doesn't mean shit as a "job". If we want to drop all standards of living and self-respect we may as well just go back to serfdom, after all a job is a job right? :downs:
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