• Five Muslim men planned attack on NSW army base, Supreme Court told
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[QUOTE]FIVE Muslim men planned an armed terrorist attack on a Sydney army base to further the cause of Islam by killing as many people as possible, a Supreme Court jury heard today. Prosecutor Nick Robinson SC said the men took a number of steps in preparation for the attack, including sending one of their number to Somalia to obtain a fatwa or religious decree to permit the plan to go ahead. Mr Robinson said members of the group used the code “the man who has gone to Perth” when talking about Yacqub Khayre’s trip in search of a fatwa. The plan was that five or six men armed with high powered weapons would enter the Holsworthy Army Base and fire at and kill as many people as possible before they were either killed or overwhelmed. They planned to use weapons that could fire at least 60 bullets. On trial are Saney Edow Aweys, 26, Mr Khayre, 22, Abdirahman Mohamud Ahmed, 25, and Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, 33,and Nayef El Sayed, 25. They have all pleaded not guilty to conspiring with each other and persons unknown between February 1 and August 4 last year to do acts in preparation for, or planning a terrorist act or acts. Mr Robinson said the men believed Islam was under attack from the West and that Australians and the Australian Government were oppressing innocent Muslims in Afghanistan. They were also upset that another man had been convicted of terrorist acts in this country. “The Crown case was that this was to advance the cause of Islam,” he said. Opening the Crown case, Mr Robinson said Mr Fattal left his home in Lakemba in NSW and visited the Holsworthy base to assess its suitability for carrying out the terrorist shootings. Mr Khayre texted him the address of the base from a public phone in High St , Preston in Victoria. Mr Robinson said the men needed to obtain the fatwa from Somalia because they could not find an Australian-based sheik to issue one. As they were planning the attack members of the group exchanged texts and messages and had conversations, some of which were secretly recorded and would be played in court. Before the trial commenced, Justice Betty King warned the jury that the trial was about the alleged commission of a criminal offence, not about Islam. “The Islamic faith is not on trial,” Justice King said. “It isn’t about being a Muslim.” The trial is continuing.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.news.com.au/national/five-muslim-men-planned-attack-on-nsw-army-base-supreme-court-told/story-e6frfkvr-1225921088341[/url] [B]Update:[/B] [QUOTE]I want to be best martyr on Earth, says man accused of planning terror attack[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]A MAN accused of plotting a terrorist attack on an army base said he wanted to be the best martyr on Earth, a Victorian jury has heard. Prosecutor Nick Robinson, SC, said Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, 33, repeatedly asked his parents to pray for him because he wanted to die for Allah's cause. The jury heard transcripts of intercepted calls in which Mr Fattal says he would be rewarded in paradise if he sacrificed his life for Islam. "I am trusting my cause to Allah, God the Almighty," he allegedly said. Mr Fattal tells his father he wants to be: "The best one on Earth, the best martyr on Earth. The one who is killed by the false messenger. "Later you will hear good news about me." Mr Robinson said the "good news" was to be that their son had died a martyr. Mr Fattal also complained of the Australian army's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan. [B]He said: "If I find a way to kill the army, I'm gonna do it." [/B] The Supreme Court heard Mr Fattal and four other Melbourne men planned an attack on the Holsworthy army base outside Sydney. They allegedly planned to kill as many soldiers as possible before they were either killed or overwhelmed. Holsworthy was guarded by unarmed, contracted security personnel. On trial are Saney Edow Aweys, 26, of Carlton North, Yacqub Khayre, 22, of Meadow Heights, Abdirahman Mohamud Ahmed, 25, of Preston, Wissam Mahmoud Fattal, 33, of Melbourne, and Nayef El Sayed, 25 of Glenroy. They have all pleaded not guilty to conspiring with each other and people unknown between February 1 and August 4 last year to do acts in preparation for, or planning a terrorist act or acts. Mr Robinson said the men believed Islam was under attack from the West and that Australians and the Australian Government were oppressing innocent Muslims in Afghanistan. The court heard when local clerics refused to provide a fatwa, or religious decree, to permit the plan, Mr Khayre went to Somalia to get one. Mr Robinson told the jury Mr Aweys said the Black Saturday bushfires were Allah's punishment for Australians. Mr Aweys told a man in Somalia the bushfires were divine intervention, during a secretly recorded phone call in March last year. Mr Robinson read from a transcript in which Mr Aweys said an Islamic cleric had been sentenced in Melbourne to 15 years in jail on terrorist charges and the Muslim community was upset. "The next day fires broke out in the whole country. Allah bring them calamity," Mr Awey said. The trial continues.[/QUOTE] Source: [url]http://www.news.com.au/national/i-want-to-be-best-marty-on-earthr/story-e6frfkvr-1225921728077[/url]
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Islam is a religion of peace. Apparently.
[QUOTE=Vasili;24802392]Islam is a religion of peace. Apparently.[/QUOTE] Here we go
[QUOTE=Vasili;24802392]Islam is a religion of peace. Apparently.[/QUOTE] Shhh! We all know that accourding to Facepunch, muslim is a race, so you can't bring any type of realistic observations into their concept, or else you're deemed as an evil bigot.
Anyone know when they were planning to attack? Relevant because its two days after 9/11 anniversary.
[QUOTE=Butthurter;24802412]So is every other religion ever existed.[/QUOTE] Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same fucking God, but they all want to kill each-other.
Islam is truly an illness
[QUOTE=Vasili;24802451]Christians, Muslims and Jews all worship the same fucking God, but they all want to kill each-other.[/QUOTE] No, they don't, because if they did they wouldn't be fighting. They might have the same concepts of God but they are not literally worshipping the same god. They are separate religions for a reason.
I misread the title as NSFW army base.
[QUOTE=3picFail;24802510]No, they don't, because if they did they wouldn't be fighting. They might have the same concepts of God but they are not literally worshipping the same god. They are separate religions for a reason.[/QUOTE] Yeah, 'cause they're powermad idiots looking for money and authority. We should burn all churches, and knip it by the bud. And no, I don't care if a few people gets upset about it, atleast they aren't being killed and tortured to death.
[QUOTE=3picFail;24802510]No, they don't, because if they did they wouldn't be fighting. They might have the same concepts of God but they are not literally worshipping the same god. They are separate religions for a reason.[/QUOTE] Quran, Sura - 29:46 Yusufali: And dispute ye not with the people of the book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." Pickthal: And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender Shakir: And do not dispute with followers of the book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Allah and your Allah is One, and to Him do we submit.
[QUOTE=Vasili;24802615]Quran, Sura - 29:46 Yusufali: And dispute ye not with the people of the book, except with means better (than mere disputation), unless it be with those of them who inflict wrong (and injury): but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one; and it is to Him we bow (in Islam)." Pickthal: And argue not with the People of the Scripture unless it be in (a way) that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say: We believe in that which hath been revealed unto us and revealed unto you; our Allah and your Allah is One, and unto Him we surrender Shakir: And do not dispute with followers of the book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our Allah and your Allah is One, and to Him do we submit.[/QUOTE] Sure, you can say that they believe in the same God, but they literally do not worship the same God. They are separate Gods. They are separate religions. What I get from the passages that you posted is that they recognize and respect others beliefs.
[QUOTE=3picFail;24802687]Sure, you can say that they believe in the same God, but they literally do not worship the same God. They are separate Gods. They are separate religions. What I get from the passages that you posted is that they recognize and respect others beliefs.[/QUOTE] Reread it then you dolt. They worship the same God.
[QUOTE=3picFail;24802510]No, they don't, because if they did they wouldn't be fighting. They might have the same concepts of God but they are not literally worshipping the same god. They are separate religions for a reason.[/QUOTE] They do worship the same god, but they have different interpretations of him.
Christians, muslims and jews all believe in the same bullshit.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;24803069]Christians, muslims and jews all believe in the same bullshit.[/QUOTE] No, they have very drastically different beliefs. They just technically believe in the same god, in a sense.
[QUOTE=Mr. N;24803148]No, they have very drastically different beliefs. They just technically believe in the same god, in a sense.[/QUOTE] Different name, same shit.
[QUOTE=3picFail;24802510]No, they don't, because if they did they wouldn't be fighting. They might have the same concepts of God but they are not literally worshipping the same god. They are separate religions for a reason.[/QUOTE] They are worshipping the same God. The religions just came out at different time periods and different concepts and slight beliefs differ because over time people like to change what they believe in. Islam believes in Jesus Christ as well as Moses, etc. [editline]04:38PM[/editline] Ignorant people can't seem to pick up that the word Allah simply translates to God in Arabic. It's not his name, or title. It's just 'God'. Christian Arabs use the same word when they worship God.
the title is COMPLETELY unbiased, saying that five MUSLIM men did it. Yes, completely unbiased.
[QUOTE=3picFail;24802510]No, they don't, because if they did they wouldn't be fighting. They might have the same concepts of God but they are not literally worshipping the same god. They are separate religions for a reason.[/QUOTE] They all worship the god of Abraham, just under different names.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;24803354]the title is COMPLETELY unbiased, saying that five MUSLIM men did it. Yes, completely unbiased.[/QUOTE] I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's important we know they were Muslim because they were going to do it in the name of Islam.
[QUOTE=erazor;24803400]I don't understand what you're trying to say. It's important we know they were Muslim because they were going to do it in the name of Islam.[/QUOTE] They weren't going to do that in the name of Islam(as Justice King said on this information).They were going to do that because they are terrorists. Think of it this way like a Buddhist man raping a 14 year old girl or a Christian girl throwing puppies in to a river.Are they doing that because Buddhism or Christianity says so?No they do that because they are humans with free will. Please don't judge people by their own religion(I'm not saying you are judging them by their religion btw) because most of the time they don't reflect their religion.
[QUOTE=JeTFoN;24804555]They weren't going to do that in the name of Islam(as Justice King said on this information).They were going to do that because they are terrorists. Think of it this way like a Buddhist man raping a 14 year old girl or a Christian girl throwing puppies in to a river.Are they doing that because Buddhism or Christianity says so?No they do that because they are humans with free will. Please don't judge people by their own religion(I'm not saying you are judging them by their religion btw) because most of the time they don't reflect their religion.[/QUOTE] If it had nothing to do with Islam, why did they want to get a Fatwa proclaimed?
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;24803354]the title is COMPLETELY unbiased, saying that five MUSLIM men did it. Yes, completely unbiased.[/QUOTE] Men that are Muslims were going to preform a terrorist attack. How is putting that in the thread biased, might I ask? :sax:
Not safe work military base?
[QUOTE]FIVE Muslim men planned an armed terrorist attack on a Sydney army base[B] to further the cause of Islam [U]by killing as many people as possible[/U][/B][/QUOTE] :confused:
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;24807340]:confused:[/QUOTE] hope you don't find this surprising.
oh extremists you so crazy
Now we gots more stupid people hatin' on da muslims yo.
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