• Accused Rapist In Letter to Victims: Sorry for the Rape, Hope You're OK
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[img]http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/195me90ptfhqjjpg/ku-bigpic.jpg[/img] [quote]ESTERO, Fla. - The FGCU student accused of sexually battering two female students and attacking another is saying, "I'm sorry" with a pen and paper. WINK News just obtained letters Joshua Sekulic wrote to two of his alleged victims: a woman he's accused of raping on October 24th and another woman who said he forced her into oral sex just six days later. The similar one-page letters included these words: "You invited me over, I took that as a sign that you wanted to have sex." "I did not think that you wanted me to stop and I kept going." "What transpired that night was a mistake." "I hope this apology helps you somewhat and I wish you the best." Joshua Sekulic wrote the letters Monday, the day he was arrested. The following day, a judge ordered he have no contact with the women. Students on campus who read Sekulic's letters say words may not be enough in this situation. "There is no way to apologize for his actions," Allie Wood said. "I mean, he is in the wrong and nothing he says or does is going to make that girl feel better or comforted for the situation she was put in." "At this point, it's the only thing he could do, but it will never be enough," Jean-Maxime Benon said. "I mean, he marked those girls for life. They are going to remember this for a long time. It's nothing words on a piece of paper will ever change."[/quote] [url]http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2013-11-07/Accused-rapist-writes-letters-saying-Im-sorry#.UnvTonDguAk[/url] That's nice, but I'm sure there will be people saying he's just trying to get people to sympathize him. But I still think that's nice.
The fact that's he's up for sexual [B]battery[/B] makes me doubt his sincerity, but I don't know what a battery charge (hue) entails.
"You invited me over, I took that as a sign that you wanted to have sex." "I did not think that you wanted me to stop and I kept going." sad if true poor guy, this happens way too often. now he'll be a sex offender
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42788773]The fact that's he's up for sexual [B]battery[/B] makes me doubt his sincerity, but I don't know what a battery charge (hue) entails.[/QUOTE] Battery is a criminal offense involving unlawful physical contact, distinct from assault in that the contact is not necessarily violent.
[url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn[/url] may be subverted for the sake of getting a lighter sentence, or played straight.
[QUOTE=Lurklet;42788779]"You invited me over, I took that as a sign that you wanted to have sex." "I did not think that you wanted me to stop and I kept going." poor guy this happens way too often. now he'll be a sex offender [/QUOTE] poor guy? he raped them and you're trying to sympathize with him? it's so easy to ask for consent. it's literally one question away.
[QUOTE=Lurklet;42788779]"You invited me over, I took that as a sign that you wanted to have sex." "I did not think that you wanted me to stop and I kept going." sad if true poor guy, this happens way too often. now he'll be a sex offender[/QUOTE] I feel so sorry for that poor rapist
[QUOTE=Lurklet;42788779]"You invited me over, I took that as a sign that you wanted to have sex." "I did not think that you wanted me to stop and I kept going." sad if true poor guy, this happens way too often. now he'll be a sex offender[/QUOTE] yeah poor guy who raped those 2 girls who didn't consent but totally were asking for it lol
This wanker can fuck himself with a nice rusty rake. Apologies don't mean jack in this case. Edit: Business end first.
seriously they need to start teaching the ins and outs of proper consent in sex education "a girl wants to hang out at her house she must be dtf so ill just assume she is regardless"
People get all riled up when I say teaching consent is one of the solutions to the high rate of rape we have in this country. "oh let's tell murderers to stop murdering then duhhhhhh" This case clearly shows what happens when people do not understand consent.
Robin Thicke just came out with a fucking song about not understanding consent how is it not obviously a problem
[QUOTE=person11;42789099]People get all riled up when I say teaching consent is one of the solutions to the high rate of rape we have in this country. "oh let's tell murderers to stop murdering then duhhhhhh" This case clearly shows what happens when people do not understand consent.[/QUOTE] no, they act like they didn't understand consent afterwards because they want to avoid punishment. you would have to be severely mentally ill to not understand consent. these people are just rapists, end of story.
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;42789150]Robin Thicke just came out with a fucking song about not understanding consent how is it not obviously a problem[/QUOTE] If it's not negatively affecting the male population then how is it a problem?? Stop trying to spread your feminazi agenda!!!1
I don't get how you can "accidentally" rape someone (not including using violence), but that's probably because I've never been in a situation like that. Even if the girl doesn't tell you "no" straight up, you've got to notice at some point that she's against the idea or starts to resist you at some point. In these cases, do the girls just go along with it because they're afraid of being hurt? I just don't get how you wouldn't notice that the other person doesn't want to have sex
Think you guys should read this article to get a better understanding on what he was accused of [url]http://www.nbc-2.com/story/23875736/fgcu-student-arrested-for-sexual-battery#.UnvjqHBHKOU[/url] It is more than "I did not think that you wanted me to stop and I kept going."
[QUOTE=Ericson666;42789394]In these cases, do the girls just go along with it because they're afraid of being hurt? I[/QUOTE] Got it in one. Or the risk of being seen as someone who kicks up a fuss.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;42788795][url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn[/url] may be subverted for the sake of getting a lighter sentence, or played straight.[/QUOTE] Why do some people link to TV tropes for the most basic concepts? Like if it was some obscure, hard to articulate concept, maybe I'd get it, but this kind of stuff just makes you view real life in terms of narrative structure.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;42788795][url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HeelFaceTurn[/url] may be subverted for the sake of getting a lighter sentence, or played straight.[/QUOTE] tvtropes isn't real life dummy [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;42789591]Why do some people link to TV tropes for the most basic concepts? Like if it was some obscure, hard to articulate concept, maybe I'd get it, but this kind of stuff just makes you view real life in terms of narrative structure.[/QUOTE] because people are unable to handle legitimate thought so they have to compare it to 1-dimensional media at all times
[quote]"I mean, he is in the wrong and nothing he says or does is going to make that girl feel better or comforted for the situation she was put in."[/quote] [QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;42788944]This wanker can fuck himself with a nice rusty rake. Apologies don't mean jack in this case. Edit: Business end first.[/QUOTE] this is ignoring the evidence coming out that suggests that an offender taking responsibility for their actions does more to help the victim than merely punishing the offender does. that's why restorative justice organizations exist and why i don't believe punishment is necessary for offenders to be held responsible for their actions. i mean yea apologizing doesn't make it ok, but it does help the healing process. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Bruhmis;42789305]no, they act like they didn't understand consent afterwards because they want to avoid punishment. you would have to be severely mentally ill to not understand consent. these people are just rapists, end of story.[/QUOTE] you can't define a complex human being who has diverse motivations and conceptions as "just a rapist". people do fuck up and cause a lot of damage to other people. if the offender is willing to take responsibility it means that he is more likely to actually understand the damage his actions caused and take an effort to prevent it in the future.
[QUOTE=person11;42789099]People get all riled up when I say teaching consent is one of the solutions to the high rate of rape we have in this country. "oh let's tell murderers to stop murdering then duhhhhhh" This case clearly shows what happens when people do not understand consent.[/QUOTE] There are two parties involved here, obviously the guy should have been clear about the consent, but if this guy really didn't know, then what the fuck was the girl doing to fail to convey her lack of consent properly?
[QUOTE=be;42789743]There are two parties involved here, obviously the guy should have been clear about the consent, but if this guy really didn't know, then what the fuck was the girl doing to fail to convey her lack of consent properly?[/QUOTE] You don't assume consent.
[QUOTE=be;42789743]There are two parties involved here, obviously the guy should have been clear about the consent, but if this guy really didn't know, then what the fuck was the girl doing to fail to convey her lack of consent properly?[/QUOTE] [quote]Two students told campus officers they were sexually attacked by the same man. The first victim said she invited Sekulic to her FGCU apartment on October 24 to watch a movie. She says shortly after his arrival, Sekulic became aggressive and demanded sex. She says she refused -- but Sekulic removed her clothing and raped her twice. The next victim said she and Sekulic were in her student apartment on October 28 when he started messing with her iPad. She says when she told Sekulic to leave, he grabbed her, bit her on the shoulder and threw her on the bed, pinning her down. The victim was able to break free and Sekulic then left. The third woman allegedly attacked by Sekulic invited him to her dorm room on October 30th. Again, Sekulic demanded sex and when the victim said no, he held her down against her will and also raped her twice. Deputies were able to collect evidence from that scene. Following an interview with detectives, in which he reportedly failed a polygraph test, and with evidence gathered during the investigation, deputies charged Sekulic with two counts of sexual battery and one count of battery.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;42789806]You don't assume consent.[/QUOTE] Why? If you start making out and getting closer and closer to sex and no one stops the process, then what is wrong with assuming consent? [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Swamplord;42789831]words[/QUOTE] Well okay then, this guy is a dick.
[QUOTE=be;42789836]Why? If you start making out and getting closer and closer to sex and no one stops the process, then what is wrong with assuming consent?[/QUOTE] you don't assume consent, consent is confirmed through reciprocation of advances. if someone isn't reciprocating, it might not be consensual even if they don't actively stop you.
[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;42789150]Robin Thicke just came out with a fucking song about not understanding consent how is it not obviously a problem[/QUOTE] I don't know about that, though; His song is about thinking a girl is into him, and implies she shows that. How he acts on that is the question (and the difference between raping a girl and asking where she stands). It isn't a crime to think a girl is into you.
Nice sentiment and all, but I doubt anyone will think much of him either way. Especially not the victims.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42789861]you don't assume consent, consent is confirmed through reciprocation of advances. if someone isn't reciprocating, it might not be consensual even if they don't actively stop you.[/QUOTE] Fair enough, as it seems this guy literally attacked them, there really is no justification for what he did. I hope he gets the help he clearly needs.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;42789661]this is ignoring the evidence coming out that suggests that an offender taking responsibility for their actions does more to help the victim than merely punishing the offender does. that's why restorative justice organizations exist and why i don't believe punishment is necessary for offenders to be held responsible for their actions. i mean yea apologizing doesn't make it ok, but it does help the healing process. [editline]7th November 2013[/editline] you can't define a complex human being who has diverse motivations and conceptions as "just a rapist". people do fuck up and cause a lot of damage to other people. if the offender is willing to take responsibility it means that he is more likely to actually understand the damage his actions caused and take an effort to prevent it in the future.[/QUOTE] He did this to three women within a week's time. It's more than just a one-time fuck-up.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;42789891]He did this to three women within a week's time. It's more than just a one-time fuck-up.[/QUOTE] well that is terrible.
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