Israel to Consider Capturing Entire Gaza Strip Following Fresh Hamas Attacks
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[QUOTE]Israel is to consider the option of capturing the entire Gaza Strip region as Hamas fighters resume rocket attacks following the end of the 72-hour humanitarian ceasefire.
The Israeli side has said they will respond to the fresh Hamas offensive with harsher force despite the ongoing negotiations in Cairo, coordinated by Egypt.
"Israel will respond powerfully to Hamas fire, and we will have to consider seriously the option of retaking the Gaza Strip in its entirety," Israel's Intelligence Services Minister Yuval Steinitz.
Shortly after the truce window ended, the Palestine-based extremist group fired rockets towards Israel setting off sirens in Eshkol region.
The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) has said more than a dozen rockets have been fired since the morning of 8 August; the Iron Dome is said to have intercepted some of them.
The resumption of attack has piled pressure on the Israeli government to call back its delegation from Cairo.[/QUOTE]
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Thought that was the entire purpose of these operations?
To take back Gaza into Israel power
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45629563]To take back Gaza into Israel power[/QUOTE]
The last thing Israel wants to do is annex Gaza, despite what Facepunch tells you.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;45629574]The last thing Israel wants to do is annex Gaza, despite what Facepunch tells you.[/QUOTE]
Instead of the several mile strip of land, they want the entire West Bank.
[editline]8th August 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;45629563]Thought that was the entire purpose of these operations?
To take back Gaza into Israel power[/QUOTE]
Israel has no adequately defined objectives ever other than vaguely "to restore peace and calm" i.e. They never have anything concrete. The tunnels was a secondary mission.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45629579]Instead of the several mile strip of land, they want the entire West Bank.[/QUOTE]
Sure. I, and many other people, find it very hard to support Israel's actions in the West Bank.
But the Gaza strip is not an area of land that they want to annex.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;45629574]The last thing Israel wants to do is annex Gaza, despite what Facepunch tells you.[/QUOTE]
Ok, first things first.
Israel IS looking to take back those territories.
They can't take them back with all these palestinians inside. What they are trying to do is wipe out the palestinians IN THOSE LANDS. Hence, can't be called a genocide, but rather a ethnic cleansing which is not the same. One tries to exterminate all from everywhere whereas the other one wants to expulse or wipe out from some place a determinated group. For example, Hitler wanted to remove all the jews from all the world (and possibly some other groups after WW2) not just from a specific land. Israel doesnt give 2 fucks about the refugees in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon or Turkey, they only want Palestinians to dissapear or go away from those lands.
Do not interpret what I am saying as white washing, on the contrary, is understanding what they want and therefore being able to better make formulations and correct comments.
On the other hand we got Hamas, which are not fighting BECAUSE they are waging a defensive war against Israel but rather because they truly believe Israel and jews shouldnt exist. Look it up, its on their foundation charter. Hamas are a bit of cluster fuck to this because they truly encourage a war rather than peace....Lets not forget that once the British got away from the Palestinian Mandate all the neighbours jumped on Israel. And once more and once more and once more. And so the Israelis learned, they are not dumbfucks.
Solution? No fucking way. Both sides are too blind, and yes, I say the palestinians are fucking blind and so the israelis which is amazing considering their society is one of the most advanced in this planet.
For the traditional arab mindset, peace is just a period for re arming and starting the war again until they accomplish their objective.
And for the Israelis or Jews living in those lands, those little pieces of land belong to them by all means...
I'm sorry, but you're kidding yourself if you think Israel wants the Gaza strip.
It's a useless piece of land to Israel.
Not even Egypt want it.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;45629774] Israel doesnt give 2 fucks about the refugees in Syria, Egypt, Lebanon or Turkey, they only want Palestinians to dissapear or go away from those lands.[/quote]
Huh? And yet none of those countries you've listed seem to "give 2 fucks" about the Palestinian (or the Palestinian refugees) either.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;45629774]And for the Israelis or Jews living in those lands, those little pieces of land belong to them by all means...[/QUOTE]
wtf? Are you confusing Gaza with the West Bank?
[editline]9th August 2014[/editline]
Even crazy ol' Israel knows that placing settlements in Gaza is useless to them now. They won't be doing that again.
[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;45629774]but rather because they truly believe Israel and jews shouldnt exist. Look it up, its on their foundation charter.[/QUOTE]
whats your opinion on that the Israel charter says the exact same thing about Palestine?
this should be [I]highly [/I]​interesting
Never take these kinds of provinces, the economic benefit isn't there, and on top of that a death stack will spawn in a few turns anyway.
Is that even feasible? We're talking about an occupation of a region with a population of nearly 2 million people.
[QUOTE=Flapjacks;45630098]Is that even feasible? We're talking about an occupation of a region with a population of nearly 2 million people.[/QUOTE]
They've done it before.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45630120]They've done it before.[/QUOTE]
Not worth the trouble. The IDF has already clearly explained to the government that re-taking Gaza would cost an unbearable amount of lives, both Israeli and Palestinian, and could drag the region into an all out war. And once we're in it will take ages before we could pull out again and let someone else take over.
If all else fails and no half-reasonable cease fire can be reached, there may be no choice but to engage in a large scale operation to topple Hamas, simply because the voting public won't accept ongoing daily rocket attacks against half of Israel. But I don't know what something like that would involve considering we don't want to stay there.
But it will probably be brutal.
he just asked if it was feasible
[QUOTE=Gentry;45631131]he just asked if it was feasible[/QUOTE]
Right. Sorry about that.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;45629579]Instead of the several mile strip of land, they want the entire West Bank.
[editline]8th August 2014[/editline]
Israel has no adequately defined objectives ever other than vaguely "to restore peace and calm" i.e. They never have anything concrete. The tunnels was a secondary mission.[/QUOTE]
Main objective: Stop the god damned rocket barrage
secondary objective : Stop the guys from making the damned rockets
Bonus objective: oh great terror tunnels..?
Hamas, or at least some of its members, are fucking morons honestly. Do they have a right to defend their homeland? Absolutely, and so they should against Israeli invaders. But firing a barrage of rockets straight into Israel right after that last truce ended was completely unnecessary, idiotic, and will only screw themselves over later on. The sooner they disappear, the better.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;45629913]I'm sorry, but you're kidding yourself if you think Israel wants the Gaza strip.
It's a useless piece of land to Israel.
Not even Egypt want it.
Huh? And yet none of those countries you've listed seem to "give 2 fucks" about the Palestinian (or the Palestinian refugees) either.
wtf? Are you confusing Gaza with the West Bank?
[editline]9th August 2014[/editline]
Even crazy ol' Israel knows that placing settlements in Gaza is useless to them now. They won't be doing that again.[/QUOTE]
Are you able to read into context? Give 2 fucks means searching them and killing them.
Gaza+West bank
[QUOTE]whats your opinion on that the Israel charter says the exact same thing about Palestine?
this should be highly ​interesting [/QUOTE]
Dude, I just said:
[QUOTE][U][/U][I][/I][B]Israel IS looking to take back those territories.
They can't take them back with all these palestinians inside. What they are trying to do is wipe out the palestinians IN THOSE LANDS[/B].[/QUOTE]
Israel doesn't want to kill every arab/palestinian that's outside their frontiers and borders.
If I'm mistaken please bring up its charter so I can see it.
The charter claims that the Jews deserve God’s/Allah’s enmity and wrath because they received the Scriptures but violated its sacred texts, disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew their own prophets.[27] "The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslims, O Abdullah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews."(related by al-Bukhari and Muslim)[
[QUOTE] The sooner they disappear, the better. [/QUOTE]
They have support from almost 50% of the population...them, dissapearing, is a far away reality.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;45633883]Hamas, or at least some of its members, are fucking morons honestly. Do they have a right to defend their homeland? Absolutely, and so they should against Israeli invaders. But firing a barrage of rockets straight into Israel right after that last truce ended was completely unnecessary, idiotic, and will only screw themselves over later on. The sooner they disappear, the better.[/QUOTE]
hamas doesn't care for palestinians, hamas leader is a corrupt dick who has enough money to live in a luxury hotel in doha, unfortunately the palestinians in gaza don't understand that.
[QUOTE=Flapjacks;45630098]Is that even feasible? We're talking about an occupation of a region with a population of nearly 2 million people.[/QUOTE]
Oh don't you even worry.
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