Domino's founder sues feds over health care law
FOX December 15, 2012
[quote]The founder of Domino's Pizza is suing the federal government over mandatory contraception coverage in the health care law.
Tom Monaghan, a devout Roman Catholic, says contraception isn't health care but a "gravely immoral" practice.
He filed a lawsuit Friday in federal court. It also lists as a plaintiff Domino's Farms, a Michigan office park complex that Monaghan owns.
Monaghan offers health insurance that excludes contraception and abortion for employees. The new federal law requires employers to offer insurance including contraception coverage or risk fines.
Monaghan says the law violates his rights, and is asking a judge to strike down the mandate. There are similar lawsuits pending nationwide.
A message left Saturday for Monaghan's attorney, Richard Thompson, was not immediately returned.
The government says the contraception mandate benefits women.[/quote]
Source: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/15/domino-founder-sues-feds-over-health-care-law/#ixzz2F9dKPWVf[/url]
Other sources: [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/15/dominos-contraception_n_2307794.html?utm_hp_ref=business[/url]
[url]http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/12/dominos-pizza-founder-sues-government-over-obamacare/[/url]
[url]http://times247.com/articles/domino-s-founder-sues-over-contraception-mandate[/url] (Washington times)
this wont win and nobody cares
"this is bullshit why do I have to care for my employees"
[quote]Monaghan says the law violates his rights[/quote]
I dont see how.
[QUOTE] Tom Monaghan, a devout Roman Catholic, says contraception isn't health care but a "gravely immoral" practice.[/QUOTE]
but it stops people from having to get abortions which you don't like either.
The Roman Catholic Church confuses me intensely.
[QUOTE=Zally13;38843339]glaber, this wont win and nobody cares
go away[/QUOTE]
It's still news so I don't agree when you say nobody cares, even if it is a glaber thread. I think it's interesting to read about.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;38843367]but it stops people from having to get abortions which you don't like either.
The Roman Catholic Church confuses me intensely.[/QUOTE]
The church was generally chill with sex/contraception/reality until RECENTLY (benedict came in)
Usually it's the adherents (or claimed adherents who don't know the first thing about church practice) that are crazy
we need jon paul back, does anyone know how to raise a zombie?
Hasn't the supreme court already given the go ahead for Obamacare?
[editline]15th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=scout1;38843377]The church was generally chill with sex/contraception/reality until RECENTLY (benedict came in)
Usually it's the adherents (or claimed adherents who don't know the first thing about church practice) that are crazy
we need jon paul back, does anyone know how to raise a zombie?[/QUOTE]
You could send Benedict a message about your discontent to his twitter account
[url]https://twitter.com/Pontifex[/url]
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38843398]Hasn't the supreme court already given the go ahead for Obamacare?
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not every provision. the constitutionality of specific provisions were challenged, like the individual mandate.
afaik no ruling has been made on providing contraception.
I can understand him not liking the contraception bit
it's a little ridiculous that businesses are expected to cover expenses for worker's sex lives
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843468]I can understand him not liking the contraception bit
it's a little ridiculous that businesses are expected to cover expenses for worker's sex lives[/QUOTE]
Contraception isn't just about sex, it's general women's health. There is no reason it shouldn't be covered under a comprehensive healthcare plan.
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843468]I can understand him not liking the contraception bit
it's a little ridiculous that businesses are expected to cover expenses for worker's sex lives[/QUOTE]
You don't understand how birth control works
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843468]I can understand him not liking the contraception bit
it's a little ridiculous that businesses are expected to cover expenses for worker's sex lives[/QUOTE]
Yeah, why pay for contraception when you can just let them get pregnant having to pay her throughout her pregnancy whilst she isn't working (assuming you guys have paternity leave in the us).
[QUOTE=Raidyr;38843474]Contraception isn't just about sex, it's general women's health. There is no reason it shouldn't be covered under a comprehensive healthcare plan.[/QUOTE]
how exactly do they define contraception under the healthcare plan?
first thing I think of is condoms or those little plastic things you can get surgically inserted into your v
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;38843492]You don't understand how birth control works[/QUOTE]
elaborate
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38843495]Yeah, why pay for contraception when you can just let them get pregnant having to pay her throughout her pregnancy whilst she isn't working (assuming you guys have paternity leave in the us).[/QUOTE]
what
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843468]I can understand him not liking the contraception bit
it's a little ridiculous that businesses are expected to cover expenses for worker's sex lives[/QUOTE]
why not? why cover one health problem and not another health problem? if i think broken arms are icky and immoral should i be allowed to deny my employees coverage for casts?
if you think that a company shouldn't have to cover the actions the employees take outside of work, you are missing the point of that entire provision in the first place
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38843509]why not? why cover one health problem and not another health problem? if i think broken arms are icky and immoral should i be allowed to deny my employees coverage for casts?
if you think that a company shouldn't have to cover the actions the employees take outside of work, you are missing the point of that entire provision in the first place[/QUOTE]
broken arms aren't a choice though
[img]http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mtv-sex-is-not-accident-2.jpg[/img]
still don't know what [del]you mean[/del] raidyr means about the health stuff
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843496]how exactly do they define contraception under the healthcare plan?
first thing I think of is condoms or those little plastic things you can get surgically inserted into your v
[/QUOTE]
contraceptive pill is the most popular.
also chemical iud(the things inserted into the uterus) have many of the same general health properties of the pill.
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843523]broken arms aren't a choice though
[img]http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mtv-sex-is-not-accident-2.jpg[/img]
still don't know what you mean about the health stuff[/QUOTE]
sex is kind of a need for happiness
at least i'm pretty sure that's the ongoing psychological thought
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843523]broken arms aren't a choice though
[img]http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/mtv-sex-is-not-accident-2.jpg[/img]
still don't know what you mean about the health stuff[/QUOTE]
so if i deem the broken arm to be caused by your negligence i should be allowed to deny your casts then?
if you made a choice that results in you getting hurt i shouldn't have to cover that, right?
"I don't want to pay to do business!"
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38843526]contraceptive pill is the most popular.
also chemical iud(the things inserted into the uterus) have many of the same general health properties of the pill.[/QUOTE]
These. Aka things with health benefits far beyond 'won't get pregnant' and that are taken completely independently of sexual activity
[QUOTE=Raidyr;38843474]Contraception isn't just about sex, it's general women's health. There is no reason it shouldn't be covered under a comprehensive healthcare plan.[/QUOTE]
the only definition of contraception I know is the prevention of pregnancy
I know some women get sick if they don't take the pill or whatever, but is that what this contraception bit is about? or is it "condoms and pills for everybody" or what
just buy them condoms. easy as that.
[QUOTE=DarkMonkey;38843559]These. Aka things with health benefits far beyond 'won't get pregnant' and that are taken completely independently of sexual activity[/QUOTE]
14% of pill users take the pill for purely non-contraceptive reasons and over 50% take it in part for non-contraceptive reasons.
[url]http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/Beyond-Birth-Control.pdf[/url]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38843552]so if i deem the broken arm to be caused by your negligence i should be allowed to deny your casts then?
if you made a choice that results in you getting hurt i shouldn't have to cover that, right?[/QUOTE]
putting a condom on is yes or no choice
unless you've decided to repeatedly smash your arm with a hammer, breaking your arm will most likely come as a total surprise
doing stupid shit that will very likely leave you injured shouldn't be covered under the mandatory bare-minimum health coverage in the first place, neither should a perfectly clear and easy decision like using a condom
[editline]15th December 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38843608]14% of pill users take the pill for purely non-contraceptive reasons and over 50% take it in part for non-contraceptive reasons.
[url]http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/Beyond-Birth-Control.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]
then I guess my problem lies in them calling it 'contraceptive' coverage
Funnily enough. Romney owns Dominos and he basically wrote the health care law.
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843570]the only definition of contraception I know is the prevention of pregnancy
I know some women get sick if they don't take the pill or whatever, but is that what this contraception bit is about? or is it "condoms and pills for everybody" or what[/QUOTE]
the pill relieves menstrual symptoms(cramps, etc.), acne, endometriosis, and other problems.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;38843495]Yeah, why pay for contraception when you can just let them get pregnant having to pay her throughout her pregnancy whilst she isn't working (assuming you guys have paternity leave in the us).[/QUOTE]
maternity leave
but yes, we do
but it isn't
"woops i'm pregnant, 9months off
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843570]the only definition of contraception I know is the prevention of pregnancy
I know some women get sick if they don't take the pill or whatever, but is that what this contraception bit is about? or is it "condoms and pills for everybody" or what[/QUOTE]
What's wrong with "condoms and pills for everybody"? Unwanted pregnancy is a public health issue and as such should be addressed by public healthcare plans.
The costs for contraception are probably dwarfed by the costs associated with unwanted pregnancies anyway.
[QUOTE=cccritical;38843523]
still don't know what [del]you mean[/del] raidyr means about the health stuff[/QUOTE]
Hormonal birth control is effective at treating female endocrine disorders such as poly-cystic ovary syndrome. Also, unexpected pregnancies do occur and can be prevented by access to contraception. The cost saved from not having to miss work or raise a child you aren't financially prepared for goes right back to the company and greater economy. Easy access to contraception is a good thing for everybody unless you have some weird religious hangup over it.
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