• Walking in Oslo
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So our first subject in my new school is Photography. So after having procrastinated for long enough it was time to spend some hours outside and actually get to work. The weather was cloudy and a handful of good shots were ruined by me often using a focal width of 200mm and a way too slow shutter for me to get a crisp shot. The task is to take 5 different photos with their own themes. We got a list, (including a free choice) and out of that list me and my group chose; silhouette, freeze the water, movement, the golden ratio and on a row. It's all just simple tasks to get a hold of the basics of photographing since this is a school that helps people from the ground and up (the line is Graphical Design & Media Communication). Of course not all photos are taken with the themes in hand. So without more mess: (all photos can be clicked for full size) [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Fountainy.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Fountainy_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Three%20ducks.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Three%20ducks_small.jpg[/img] [/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Pigeons.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Pigeons_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Rose.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Rose_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Divers.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Divers_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Theduckthatwantedtobepretty.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Theduckthatwantedtobepretty_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Evilpigeon.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Evilpigeon_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Fountain%20of%20symmetry.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Fountain%20of%20symmetry_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Metalhead.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Metalhead_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Construction.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Construction_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Duck.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Duck_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/DuckandtheRaindrops.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/DuckandtheRaindrops_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Foggy%20atmosphere.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Foggy%20atmosphere_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/AlphaDuck.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/AlphaDuck_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/AlertedBird.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/AlertedBird_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Pavement.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Pavement_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Lines.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Lines_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Stalking.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Stalking_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Birdhouse.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Birdhouse_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Waterfall.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Waterfall_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/DuckDrink.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/DuckDrink_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Grafitti.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/Grafitti_small.jpg[/img][/url] [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/FrozenWater.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/FrozenWater_small.jpg[/img][/url][url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/MovingWater.jpg][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655193/Noroff/Foto%20Uke%201-2/MovingWater_small.jpg[/img][/url]
Ducks are pretty cool, nice pictures.
Nice shots! Where'd you find the metalhead? I have to go see it next weekend!
[QUOTE=brainmaster;32008587]Nice shots! Where'd you find the metalhead? I have to go see it next weekend![/QUOTE] Thanks. Grønland 3
holy shit those people have no faces
[QUOTE=DoubleDD;32017762]holy shit those people have no faces[/QUOTE] Indeed. Oslo is filled with faceless ones. Nah, the reason is just that I didn't ask for permission to take the shot (took it like 50 meters away or something) so to avoid any legal issues I removed their faces.
[QUOTE=dgg;32020381]Indeed. Oslo is filled with faceless ones. Nah, the reason is just that I didn't ask for permission to take the shot (took it like 50 meters away or something) so to avoid any legal issues I removed their faces.[/QUOTE] If you and the people are in a public space, it's legal to take a photo without asking for permission. If you read the "Vær Varsom" poster, it does say something about it.. If I remember correctly :v:
Oh man..Now I'm jealous! :suicide:
[QUOTE=brainmaster;32020922]If you and the people are in a public space, it's legal to take a photo without asking for permission. If you read the "Vær Varsom" poster, it does say something about it.. If I remember correctly :v:[/QUOTE] It's legal to take photos of crowds of people in public spaces such as city overviews and football stadiums. Taking photos with few people is not allowed just because they are in public space, this can of course be discussed depending on how much in focus and whether or not they are part of the photo subject. Taking photos of people, as in taking photos of them personally is never allowed without asking for permission. It's also better to censor a photo too many than a photo too few. People should be allowed some privacy. The most normal thing is fap-material for certain people.
[QUOTE=dgg;32021207]It's legal to take photos of crowds of people in public spaces such as city overviews and football stadiums. Taking photos with few people is not allowed just because they are in public space, this can of course be discussed depending on how much in focus and whether or not they are part of the photo subject. Taking photos of people, as in taking photos of them personally is never allowed without asking for permission. It's also better to censor a photo too many than a photo too few. People should be allowed some privacy. The most normal thing is fap-material for certain people.[/QUOTE] I'm not an expert on Norwegian privacy laws, but in Australia when you and your subject are in a public place you can pretty much do whatever you want.
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;32038303]I'm not an expert on Norwegian privacy laws, but in Australia when you and your subject are in a public place you can pretty much do whatever you want.[/QUOTE] That's horrible.
not really, when you're in a public place there's no reasonable expectation of privacy so it's largely free reign. There are of course obvious exceptions of you can't photograph someone in a way that will misrepresent them (some guy walking past a sex store, for example) or infringe upon peoples privacy (upskirt / toilet shots). Street photography has become a litigation-filled nightmare in many parts of the world, and personally I'm very happy that rights are being given to the photographers in this situation. (the UK and the US have similar laws) care to explain why you think that's horrible?
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;32038864]not really, when you're in a public place there's no reasonable expectation of privacy so it's largely free reign. There are of course obvious exceptions of you can't photograph someone in a way that will misrepresent them (some guy walking past a sex store, for example) or infringe upon peoples privacy (upskirt / toilet shots). Street photography has become a litigation-filled nightmare in many parts of the world, and personally I'm very happy that rights are being given to the photographers in this situation. (the UK and the US have similar laws) care to explain why you think that's horrible?[/QUOTE] I think it's horrible because you could end up on 50 bazillion internet sites without your consent and artworks with you in it could be sold without you ever knowing. People could have you hanging on their wall. One thing is if you're in a crowd, as I've already said. Another thing is if there is you and maybe 2-4 other people. Suddenly you are in focus, even if you aren't the main focus of the photo.
[QUOTE=dgg;32038917]I think it's horrible because you could end up on 50 bazillion internet sites without your consent and artworks with you in it could be sold without you ever knowing. People could have you hanging on their wall. One thing is if you're in a crowd, as I've already said. Another thing is if there is you and maybe 2-4 other people. Suddenly you are in focus, even if you aren't the main focus of the photo.[/QUOTE] how do you find that having your photo taken of, in a way that doesn't misrepresent you and is within reasonable taste, is in any way different to people seeing you when you walk around in the city. When you leave your private residence you leave your reasonable expectation of privacy at the door. You reasonably expect people are going to look at you, that you could be recorded on CCTV, etc, etc.
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;32038974]how do you find that having your photo taken of, in a way that doesn't misrepresent you and is within reasonable taste, is in any way different to people seeing you when you walk around in the city. When you leave your private residence you leave your reasonable expectation of privacy at the door. You reasonably expect people are going to look at you, that you could be recorded on CCTV, etc, etc.[/QUOTE] Because it will be framed and stored for years to come, even after I am dead. When I walk out in public I do not expect people to remember how I looked that day even after they are dead. People looking at you is way different than people photographing you. Same with filming. In a film they won't track you and keep following you, you will just be another guy in a crowd, you will be there for maybe a second, maybe a minute, but you will not be the main focus of the video for a long time, if any. The image of you in the video will not always be there, you will not always be present, you will just be part of a video, not the video itself. Now then, I am giving a big impression that I as a person really care a lot about this, but I don't. Copyright and all that could go fuck itself if it was up to me. But I'm not everyone. I'm talking about this from the side that I perceive as right for everyone, rather than just me.
I suppose what it comes down to, for me, is that 1. When you leave your private residence and enter a public place, you can no longer expect privacy, don't like it, don't walk in public areas. 2. If it were illegal, then people like [url=http://www.google.com.au/search?q=henri+cartier+bresson&hl=en&prmd=ivnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PTleTuuSH8LQiAL85IizBQ&ved=0CEgQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=775]Henri Cartier Bresson[/url] would never be able to create their amazing pieces of art.
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;32039118]I suppose what it comes down to, for me, is that 1. When you leave your private residence and enter a public place, you can no longer expect privacy, don't like it, don't walk in public areas. 2. If it were illegal, then people like [url=http://www.google.com.au/search?q=henri+cartier+bresson&hl=en&prmd=ivnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PTleTuuSH8LQiAL85IizBQ&ved=0CEgQsAQ&biw=1440&bih=775]Henri Cartier Bresson[/url] would never be able to create their amazing pieces of art.[/QUOTE] You can't expect privacy. You can expect people to not take a picture of you unless they ask for your consent before or after taking the photo. And how do you know Henri Cartier Bresson hasn't asked for permission from the people he photographed? That it was okay that he kept the photo of them? I'm pretty sure he did ask them before or after photographing them. Though I can not say that for sure because of the different laws in different countries.
[QUOTE=dgg;32039219]You can't expect privacy. You can expect people to not take a picture of you unless they ask for your consent before or after taking the photo. And how do you know Henri Cartier Bresson hasn't asked for permission from the people he photographed? That it was okay that he kept the photo of them? I'm pretty sure he did ask them before or after photographing them. Though I can not say that for sure because of the different laws in different countries.[/QUOTE] by extension, you can't expect to only not have some privacy, it's an all or nothing type deal. It's widely known that Bresson was the forefather of street photography, with his phrase 'the decisive moment', and he was known to conduct it in the purest form (simply observe, don't interfere), that would involve not asking peoples permission.
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;32039265]by extension, you can't expect to only not have some privacy, it's an all or nothing type deal. It's widely known that Bresson was the forefather of street photography, with his phrase 'the decisive moment', and he was known to conduct it in the purest form (simply observe, don't interfere), that would involve not asking peoples permission.[/QUOTE] Like I said, take the photo(s) and then ask for permission afterwards when you're done taking photos of them. That what he did, I'm 70% sure of it. It's rude not to ask people if it's ok, because not everyone is comfortable with having themselves being hung up on some peoples wall for years to come and being spread out all over the net without knowing jack shit about it. Same thing, at least we, have been forced to knowledge is that it's illegal to take photos of your friends and upload it to Facebook without their consent. Of course nobody gives a flying shit about it, but it doesn't change the fact that they are actually not allowed to do so. Tell them to take it down and they have to.
[QUOTE=dgg;32039383]Like I said, take the photo(s) and then ask for permission afterwards when you're done taking photos of them. That what he did, I'm 70% sure of it. It's rude not to ask people if it's ok, because not everyone is comfortable with having themselves being hung up on some peoples wall for years to come and being spread out all over the net without knowing jack shit about it.[/QUOTE] [quote] Cartier-Bresson was known to have covered up his Leica when on the street to hide his intentions from his subjects. Andres Kertesz, whom Cartier-Bresson said that we all indebted to for pioneering street photography, sought to capture life at its most candid on the streets and cafes of Paris. Garry Winnograd also had the ability to take someone's picture without them noticing though he was more or less right on top of them. [/quote] [editline]31st August 2011[/editline] ah, there's another point. (I'm speaking in relation to Australia here), when you a photographer take a photo, that is your property, and you have the exclusive rights to it, nobody can tell you to delete it, etc, and for non-commercial usage you can upload it p much wherever you want.
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;32039409]Ah, there's another point. (I'm speaking in relation to Australia here), when you a photographer take a photo, that is your property, and you have the exclusive rights to it, nobody can tell you to delete it, etc, and for non-commercial usage you can upload it p much wherever you want.[/QUOTE] Regarding the quote: I see I see, but it still doesn't mean he couldn't ask them for permission, although it's certainly more likely he didn't. And in relation to Norway it's your property as long as you have permission from the people photographed in it.
I know I'm flogging a dead horse a bit, but: [quote]HCB never tried to interact with his subjects or "get to know them". He didn't bother considering whether they would "like" the way he chose to photograph them. Based on the historical record, I'd say he pretty much INVENTED Street Photography. HCB devoted most of his effort to blending in, like a "fly on the wall", so he could get pictures of people WITHOUT DISTURBING THEM. I think being inconspicuous and unobtrusive is the most important thing in street photography. You must travel fast and light: no photo vest, no camera bag, one small camera and a small prime lens or two, no flash. If you really want to emulate the greats (Cartier-Bresson, Robert Frank, Winogrand, Evans), use a meterless camera and learn to evaluate the light yourself.[/quote]
[QUOTE=H4Z3Y;32039575]I know I'm flogging a dead horse a bit, but:[/QUOTE] Not beating a dead horse. Just getting it straight for me that he did in fact not ask for permission in any way. So thank you. Different laws in different countries, I'm okay with that.
great pictures, though a bit more duck than I'd really care for. I know you're showing off your full roll, though. Also, I didn't even notice the faces missing the first time through :v: adding to the conversation, check out [url=http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm]the photographer's right[/url]. (here's a [url=http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/tutorials/photography_law_rights.html]nice summary[/url]) for how the US handles public photography. seems a bit more free-reign than other places, but it still places limits.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;32042453]great pictures, though a bit more duck than I'd really care for. I know you're showing off your full roll, though. Also, I didn't even notice the faces missing the first time through :v: adding to the conversation, check out [url=http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm]the photographer's right[/url]. (here's a [url=http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/tutorials/photography_law_rights.html]nice summary[/url]) for how the US handles public photography. seems a bit more free-reign than other places, but it still places limits.[/QUOTE] There is 6 ducks and 17 not ducks. That's not a lot of duck. You only care for 2 duck? Why so duck? Also that guide there was written (updated) in 2006. Whilst it may still apply it would certainly be better to find a newer one.
a malicious amount of mallard the last copywritten photog's rights is a few years old, but I don't think its basis changes as much as cameras do these days, heh. I'll dig around for the most current version, I think the latest copy I've seen was 2008, but it looked pretty much identical to the one I linked. Could have just been an update for update's sake
Nice shots, clear and sharp. Well caught.
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