• House Republicans' New Spending Bill Calls For 1-Year Delay On ObamaCare
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[quote]House Republicans are preparing to vote Saturday night on a temporary spending bill that includes a one-year delay for ObamaCare, resulting in the White House saying President Obama would veto such a proposal, almost guaranteeing a government shutdown Monday night. The House Republican Caucus earlier in the afternoon agreed on the plan – to add to the Senate’s spending bill amendments to delay ObamaCare, repeal the law’s medical device tax and fund the military should Washington fail to agree on a spending bill and the government technically runs out of money Monday night. The lower chamber votes are scheduled to take place later tonight. The tax on medical devices is one of the administation’s main sources of funding for ObamaCare. The House earlier this month sent a spending bill to the Senate that called for defunding Obama’s health-care law. On Friday, the Senate passed a temporary spending bill that re-inserted the ObamaCare funding and funds the government through Nov. 15. "If the president was presented with [a spending bill] as amended by these amendments, he would veto the bill,” the White House said. “The House proposes amendments that advance a narrow ideological agenda and threaten the nation's economy," the White House said Saturday.[/quote] [url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/28/house-republicans-meet-to-plot-next-move-as-shutdown-deadline-nears/]Source[/url]
Senate [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24320793]has already[/url] noped the bill
Glad to know they are okay with over a million federal workers having to stop work and not have the guarantee of backpay.
[QUOTE=smurfy;42339928]Senate [url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24320793]has already[/url] noped the bill[/QUOTE] Appears I missed that
Sorry if I've missed something, but what exactly does a governmental shutdown entail?
[QUOTE=World Eater;42339981]Sorry if I've missed something, but what exactly does a governmental shutdown entail?[/QUOTE] [quote]A government shutdown occurs when a government discontinues providing services that are not considered "essential." Typically, services that continue in spite of a shutdown include police, fire fighting, armed forces, utilities and corrections.[/quote] That's the dictionary definition. However, what it immediately entails I don't know, I'd like it cleared up if anyone can.
[QUOTE=World Eater;42339981]Sorry if I've missed something, but what exactly does a governmental shutdown entail?[/QUOTE] This is an article from the BBC that explains it reasonably well. [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24306933[/url] Basically, non-essential federal employees at all levels will be told not to come to work, with no guarantee of backpay.
and we got a government shutdown folks! great job GOP!
[QUOTE=jordguitar;42340067]and we got a government shutdown folks! great job GOP![/QUOTE] There's always going to be this stalemate until the government gets it's shit together and finally realizes that we need to stop spending ourselves into oblivion. I'm not speaking toward Obamacare, mind, but rather the thousands and thousands of frivolous shit that we spend money on at both a federal and state level. But, since nobody in government actually wants to stop spending it seems, we're finding ourselves deeper in the hole.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;42340083]There's always going to be this stalemate until the government gets it's shit together and finally realizes that we need to stop spending ourselves into oblivion. I'm not speaking toward Obamacare, mind, but rather the thousands and thousands of frivolous shit that we spend money on at both a federal and state level. But, since nobody in government actually wants to stop spending it seems, we're finding ourselves deeper in the hole.[/QUOTE] Yea well we need a congress that really wants to do that without pushing their own agenda with a president to go along with it. Right now that is impossible with this do nothing congress.
I hope the government does shut down so that the Americans will see how scummy everyone in the federal government is. I'm pissed off but I can't do shit about this.
[QUOTE=AmericanInfantry;42340136]I hope the government does shut down so that the Americans will see how scummy everyone in the federal government is. I'm pissed off but I can't do shit about this.[/QUOTE] I wish they would understand how stupid they are too, but letting over a million federal workers be forced to go without pay for who knows how long is not the way to do it.
[QUOTE=Bentham;42340148]I wish they would understand how stupid they are too, but letting over a million federal workers be forced to go without pay for who knows how long is not the way to do it.[/QUOTE] if you can't do it peacefully, violence is inevitable.
Really getting tired of Congress playing chicken with the whole country.
[QUOTE=Wii60;42340173]if you can't do it peacefully, violence is inevitable.[/QUOTE] Wait so either federal workers lose their income and no longer have the ability to provide for their families or we have a violent uprising? It's really worrying that this is always the 'logical alternative'.
I go to a state university and go to school on federal loans and grants. What will happen to my education if the government shuts down?
[QUOTE=AmericanInfantry;42340204]I go to a state university and go to school on federal loans and grants. What will happen to my education if the government shuts down?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]4. Funded from an Alternative Source Programs using mandatory or multi-year funding from a prior year would continue to operate through a government shutdown. For these programs, staff may be brought in on an excepted basis to make payments for the following activities: A. Grant and Loan Programs Programs which can make obligations and payments include Pell Grants and Federal Direct Student Loans. Approximately 20 non-mandatory programs are expected to have remaining unobligated balances from FY 2013, multi-year, or no-year discretionary appropriations and/or advance funds appropriated in FY 2013. Obligations and payments from these programs may continue, dependent on the length of the lapse. Only those grant activities which, if not continued, would prevent or significantly damage the execution of funded functions (the “significant damage standard”) will continue on a limited basis after a lapse of one week and continue through a short-term shutdown. Three programs – Race to the Top, Investing in Innovation, and Promise Neighborhoods – have funds that are available through December 31, 2013, and must be obligated by this date. After a lapse of one week, employees would be brought into work as “excepted employees” to provide payments and obligations to grantees and other recipients. The number of excepted staff will vary depending on the length of the shutdown and amount of money and number of recipients involved. These numbers include employees in the program and support areas. In each case, only the minimum number of employees needed would be brought in to work. The “Total Number of Excepted FTEs” chart at the end of this document specifies the number of excepted FTEs necessary in week one and the maximum number required for weeks two through four for these activities. It is assumed that the G-5 system for making payments to grantees—either grants awarded in prior years or those made with mandatory or carryover appropriations—would continue to operate under contracts obligated in 2013—at least for the first week. For a lapse of more than a week, Department staff would be needed as excepted employees to monitor the contractors and resolve any issues. Non-mandatory programs that do not have available unobligated balances from FY 2013 may not incur new obligations while under a government shutdown caused by a lapse in appropriations. B. Direct Loans and Pell Grants A lapse in appropriations starting October 1, 2013, would fall at a critical point in the administration of the large student aid program. Examples of work include completing end-of-year closeout and reporting activities, fiscal year start up for mandatory and carry-over funds, and implementing the April 2013 sequester order for mandatory programs that requires an increase in origination fees. The Department may determine that, due to the likely impact of a delay or disruption in this process under the “significant damage standard,” this activity should continue. The student financial aid services should continue in order to avoid the potential loss of federal assets and to maintain the delivery of student aid. The maximum support necessary at any given time to ensure proper controls and avoid improper payments during this period is shown in the “Total Number of Excepted FTEs” chart. Program funds for Pell Grants and Direct Student Loans are provided through mandatory and carryover appropriations. Over 14 million students receive student aid, in the form of grants and loans, at over 6,600 schools through these programs. As a result of the permanent and multi-year appropriations, Pell Grants and student loans could continue as normal. Staff and contractors associated with these areas will continue to work, and only skeletal program operations would continue under the “significant damage” standard. Mandatory and carryover funding is also available for servicing contracts and many other administrative functions. Federal Student Aid’s Chief Operating Officer and other management officials responsible for Pell Grants and Direct Student Loans will designate the minimum number of employees necessary for these programs. These could include employees needed to obligate and process payments, maintain systems necessary to disburse Pell Grants and student loan payments, and provide legal counsel in FSA and other offices. For the short term, these employees would continue to work. FSA employees working in areas not directly related to Pell Grants or Direct Student Loans, such as the Campus-Based Programs of College Work-Study and Supplemental Educational Opportunity Grants, customer service activities, administrative functions not related to providing student aid to schools and students, and development of new programs or activities, would not be excepted. [/QUOTE]
fuck republicans also fuck democrats lets just have a benevolent dictatorship at least shit would get done
[QUOTE=Justjake274;42340263]fuck republicans also fuck democrats lets just have a benevolent dictatorship at least shit would get done[/QUOTE] Make me a real Emperor
[QUOTE=Bentham;42340189]Wait so either federal workers lose their income and no longer have the ability to provide for their families or we have a violent uprising? It's really worrying that this is always the 'logical alternative'.[/QUOTE] im saying that them not getting paid could cause a giant uprising. i mean the entire country is stressed enough, a goverment shutdown could snap the country to revolution part II
[QUOTE=Bentham;42340148]I wish they would understand how stupid they are too, but letting over a million federal workers be forced to go without pay for who knows how long is not the way to do it.[/QUOTE] My mom's cousin works at a post office and has been for 25 or so years. I'd hate to see what happens to her if the government shuts down.
[QUOTE=AmericanInfantry;42340365]My mom's cousin works at a post office and has been for 25 or so years. I'd hate to see what happens to her if the government shuts down.[/QUOTE] That must really blow, the postal service has been getting the stick for a while before all of this anyway.
I am really tired of Republicans. [editline]28th September 2013[/editline] Nobody else could possible be blamed for this.
[QUOTE=person11;42340585]I am really tired of Republicans. [editline]28th September 2013[/editline] Nobody else could possible be blamed for this.[/QUOTE] Kind of hard to not blame the Republicans when it was a Republican sponsored bill :v:
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42340291]Make me a real Emperor[/QUOTE] I would not-vote for you.
[QUOTE=Wii60;42340293]im saying that them not getting paid could cause a giant uprising. i mean the entire country is stressed enough, a goverment shutdown could snap the country to revolution part II[/QUOTE] Didn't mean to snap at you if my post seemed to drive in that direction. It'll piss people off to question their voting habits [I]maybe[/I], but I doubt they will go far beyond that. Also complaining on facebook, that'll be big too. My dad is a federal worker, so we've been watching the news carefully.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42340679]Kind of hard to not blame the Republicans when it was a Republican sponsored bill :v:[/QUOTE] Republicans can be blamed for the shutdown, but the alternative is to avoid taking a stand and allow continued spending and obamacare, and then they would be branded sellouts and criticized for not standing up for their beliefs. Facepunch would hate them either way.
This is the fault of both the democrats and republicans. The democrats passed the biggest completely partisan bill in the history of the country without knowing half of what it said with literally zero republican support or compromise (all the compromise was just to get their own democrats to vote for it). Now republicans are doing the only thing they can to fight back against it.
[QUOTE=sgman91;42340844]This is the fault of both the democrats and republicans. The democrats passed the biggest completely partisan bill in the history of the country without knowing half of what it said with literally zero republican support or compromise (all the compromise was just to get their own democrats to vote for it). Now republicans are doing the only thing they can to fight back against it.[/QUOTE] If the Republicans really wanted to get their say into it, they would attempt to augment it or change it slightly, not throw it out altogether.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42340857]If the Republicans really wanted to get their say into it, they would attempt to augment it or change it slightly, not throw it out altogether.[/QUOTE] Reid has already said he won't accept any change, at all.
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