• David Nutt's working on a synthetic alcohol substitute without the hangover
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... which would only get you mildly drunk however. He's also working on an antidote pill for being able to drive afterwards. Yes, that's the same guy that got fired by the British government as an advisor before because he considers alcohol and tobacco much more dangerous than cannabis. Source: [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1241069/Ex-drugs-tsar-creates-synthetic-alcohol-gives-buzz-hangover.html]Daily Mail[/url] [quote] An alcohol substitute that gives the drinker the pleasant feelings of tipsiness without an unpleasant hangover, is being developed by researchers. The team, led by drugs expert Professor David Nutt, has developed the drink using chemicals related to the sedative Valium. It works on the nerves in a similar way to alcohol causing feelings of well-being and relaxation. But no matter how many drinks the consumer has, they should remain only mildly drunk. The scientists from Imperial College, London, hope the colourless, tasteless synthetic will eventually replace the alcohol content in beer, wine and liquor. The substance has been tested on a number of volunteers. Professor Nutt claimed the substitute could slash Britain's binge drinking epidemic, which costs the NHS £3billion a year. He added that it would also reduce the number of deaths from alcohol poisoning. The team is also working on an antidote pill that would mute the effects of the synthetic alcohol on the brain receptors, allowing drinkers to drive soon afterwards. Professor Nutt added: 'Law enforcement could even have the antidote to use on revellers who have used the solution.' However, the drugs expert said they would need the backing of the Government because at present the substance would be classified as a drug and would fall foul of drug laws. This is unlikely considering Professor Nutt was recently sacked as a government adviser for the controversial comments he made about cannabis and Ecstasy. He had criticised the decision to reclassify cannabis to Class B from C and said the process had become politicised.[/quote] Imagine the irony if this very person basically creates the cure for drunk driving.
On the flip-side it makes the horses go mad.
Honestly though I don't see this solving much :/ Most people will want to get more drunk than just a little tipsy.
Now with only fifty times the carcinogens! Seriously, why is everything synthetic, chemically-created bullshit these days. Some shit is still cheap enough to stay as it is, and other things just shouldn't be changed. My weekend intake of actual alcohol being the latter.
[QUOTE=Exploits;19485375]Now with only fifty times the carcinogens! Seriously, why is everything synthetic, chemically-created bullshit these days. Some shit is still cheap enough to stay as it is, and other things just shouldn't be changed. My weekend intake of actual alcohol being the latter.[/QUOTE] Because the shit we make is better than the one nature makes?
[QUOTE=KrAzY_nikomo;19485392]Because the shit we make is better than the one nature makes?[/QUOTE] In flavour, perhaps. In health? Pretty much never.
What about an age limit? Could little kids have it? And could you OD on it? or have more to feel more drunk?
Looks promising, government will put their ass in the way though
[QUOTE=SuPeR_MaN;19485466]What about an age limit? Could little kids have it? And could you OD on it? or have more to feel more drunk?[/QUOTE] Well they don't seem to be done with it yet, but this says you can only get tipsy from it no matter how much you drink. I assume it's still rather unhealthy considering it's related to valium (just like how all opiates are addictive, this may be a completely different matter though, I'm not an expert.) Actually, the more I think about it, I don't think starting from a prescription drug is the right way to create an alcohol substitute. [QUOTE=JustExtreme;19485489]Looks promising, government will put their ass in the way though[/QUOTE] He could try "releasing" it in America or countries with very huge drunk driving problems first.
[QUOTE=Exploits;19485402]In flavour, perhaps. In health? Pretty much never.[/QUOTE] I want proof for this.
Wow, this guy is [I]nuts[/I] if he thinks this is going to get popular.
I am quite curious what would happen if you mixed this with a small amount of alcohol. Would be cool if you could get totally shitfaced from one beer and some of this alcohol replacement (doubt that would work though)
[QUOTE=KrAzY_nikomo;19485562]I want proof for this.[/QUOTE] Well I want proof that its tastier, but that boils down to a mindless argument of opinions, so no thanks. I'd just be finding you "lame" Wikipedia links either way since I can't be assed to take a simple debate seriously. In short example, Aspartame is a carcinogen, among other shit, but the only reason its still legal is because you'd need to consume a fair amount of it to kill you or cause anything noticeable over time. Since its something like 10,000x sweeter than sugar in taste, and it replaces sugar, you'll never encounter such a value in foods.
I remember hearing about this a long time ago.
[QUOTE=Exploits;19485618]Well I want proof that its tastier, but that boils down to a mindless argument of opinions, so no thanks. I'd just be finding you "lame" Wikipedia links either way since I can't be assed to take a simple debate seriously. In short example, Aspartame is a carcinogen, among other shit, but the only reason its still legal is because you'd need to consume a fair amount of it to kill you or cause anything noticeable over time. Since its something like 10,000x sweeter than sugar in taste, and it replaces sugar, you'll never encounter such a value in foods.[/QUOTE] I wasn't referring to taste of any food or such, I had medicine in mind. The drugs we have right now are a lot more powerful than we had hundred years ago. Also, wikipedia is fine if the text you use actually has a source and you link to the source. And why would they ban a substance that replaces sugar (something found in nature with not so many benefits and a lot of harm) and isn't harmful? If people will never be able to encounter a harmful amount of the substance in their life, there's no reason to ban it. This is also my arguement for marijuana, you'd need to be a fucking millionaire to overdose with it.
[QUOTE=KrAzY_nikomo;19485765]I wasn't referring to taste of any food or such, I had medicine in mind. The drugs we have right now are a lot more powerful than we had hundred years ago. Also, wikipedia is fine if the text you use actually has a source and you link to the source.[/quote] Oh medicine is a whole different story. I'm talking food additives. Nobody would deny the progress science has done for medicines and health. [QUOTE=KrAzY_nikomo;19485765]And why would they ban a substance that replaces sugar (something found in nature with not so many benefits and a lot of harm) and isn't harmful? If people will never be able to encounter a harmful amount of the substance in their life, there's no reason to ban it. This is also my arguement for marijuana, you'd need to be a fucking millionaire to overdose with it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm just using a common example. Everyone says aspartame's gonna kill you (You know, Diet Coke?), in reality you'd need to take in a good plate-full of it to do it, but it [i]can[/i] still kill you, true enough. Thats just the bottom line of things, as it were. If I were still in my Dorm right now, instead of at my parents for Christmas Break, I'd be whipping out my Fitness and Health notes, since my teacher was tossing out chemical names like they were horrid candy, and its all stuff used in common foods. But I don't have that right now, so, we'll have to stick to aspartame.
[QUOTE=DrTaxi;19485268]... which would only get you mildly drunk however. He's also working on an antidote pill for being able to drive afterwards. Yes, that's the same guy that got fired by the British government as an advisor before because he considers alcohol and tobacco much more dangerous than cannabis. Source: [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1241069/Ex-drugs-tsar-creates-synthetic-alcohol-gives-buzz-hangover.html]Daily Mail[/url] Imagine the irony if this very person basically creates the cure for drunk driving.[/QUOTE] Alcohol and Tabacco are more dangerous than Cannabis.
Just make some sort of drink that tastes like beer, but contains ket instead of alcohol. You'll be fucked for half an hour then you'll start feeling fine.
[QUOTE=mobrockers;19485849]Alcohol and Tabacco are more dangerous than Cannabis.[/QUOTE] I know. I just avoided phrasing it that way to prevent yet another shitstorm with people saying they weren't.
[QUOTE=Exploits;19485402]In flavour, perhaps. In health? Pretty much never.[/QUOTE] Yeah that's why we have human-made medicine that can save us in ways nature can't. :fuckoff:
[QUOTE=Exploits;19485828]Oh medicine is a whole different story. I'm talking food additives. Nobody would deny the progress science has done for medicines and health. [/QUOTE] If I may note, preservants, while not healthy, are required to sustain our current style of living. Our would you like to buy a pizza from the store, not eat it today and next day you find mold on it and you think, I only had it for one day in my fridge.. but wait, first the ingredients had to be picked up, shipped, then the pizza was made, packaged, transported to the store and then it sat there for ages waiting for someone to buy it. (Note: shitty example, cold and hot are not exactly ideal conditions for mold to grow so it would take longer than that) [QUOTE=Exploits;19485828]Yeah, I'm just using a common example. Everyone says aspartame's gonna kill you (You know, Diet Coke?), in reality you'd need to take in a good plate-full of it to do it, but it [i]can[/i] still kill you, true enough. Thats just the bottom line of things, as it were. If I were still in my Dorm right now, instead of at my parents for Christmas Break, I'd be whipping out my Fitness and Health notes, since my teacher was tossing out chemical names like they were horrid candy, and its all stuff used in common foods. But I don't have that right now, so, we'll have to stick to aspartame.[/QUOTE] If the government approved it, it's most likely not going to kill us and I'm fine with it. And people who drink diet coke deserve to die anyways. One thing I am against however is corn syrup, [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPbh6Ru7VVM]I heard sodas over in the states are made with corn syrup and I heard people complaining about it.[/url] Everything's made with good old sugar here. People in states, if you've drank coca-cola in mexico, I'm pretty sure that's about the same as it is here. Mmm, tasty.
[QUOTE=Exploits;19485402]In flavour, perhaps. In health? Pretty much never.[/QUOTE] Alcohol, if discovered today, would be classified as hard-drugs. It's been tolerated only because it's a core part of western civilization. Anything that man comes up to substitute for nature doesn't neccesarily have to be bad for your health. Especially as alcohol is pretty bad for you whilst it's from nature. Also, you're forgetting that things people make is made by mixing stuff from nature. People never "invent new things", they just happen to be the first to discover that using X with Y creates Z.
I don't get hangovers anyway.
[QUOTE=Exploits;19485828]Yeah, I'm just using a common example. Everyone says aspartame's gonna kill you (You know, Diet Coke?), in reality you'd need to take in a good plate-full of it to do it, but it [I]can[/I] still kill you, true enough. Thats just the bottom line of things, as it were. If I were still in my Dorm right now, instead of at my parents for Christmas Break, I'd be whipping out my Fitness and Health notes, since my teacher was tossing out chemical names like they were horrid candy, and its all stuff used in common foods. But I don't have that right now, so, we'll have to stick to aspartame.[/QUOTE] Not lunging out to you, but it's been proven that aspartame actually increases the chances of cancer in the long run. Not that wishy washy bullshit like hotdogs causing cancer, but an actual increase in chance of it happening. Also a fun fact: There's this other natural substance that is safer alternative from aspertame with no drawbacks. The reason it's not being used wide-spread is because it's so incredibly cheap, easy and quick to make, you can't make a profit out of it and thus it's not being grown and used in large numbers.
[QUOTE=KrAzY_nikomo;19485997]If I may note, preservants, while not healthy, are required to sustain our current style of living. Our would you like to buy a pizza from the store, not eat it today and next day you find mold on it and you think, I only had it for one day in my fridge.. but wait, first the ingredients had to be picked up, shipped, then the pizza was made, packaged, transported to the store and then it sat there for ages waiting for someone to buy it. (Note: shitty example, cold and hot are not exactly ideal conditions for mold to grow so it would take longer than that)[/quote] Thats the thing though, general European lifestyle doesn't use the same level as preservatives as the North American lifestyle does - not even close. With the exception of dairy (And only dairy, really), most everything you buy in the Supermarket has a best before date between three months and five years, and thats just absurd. Sometimes its partially natural (Campbell's Soup is mostly salt, and salt is a preservative), while others are wholly chemical. If people simply got out of the habit of buying a month's supply of food in one shot, putting all of it in their huge SUV (The only thing that can fit it all), eventually such a habit might break. But its doubtful. [QUOTE=AwesomeDino;19485993]Yeah that's why we have human-made medicine that can save us in ways nature can't. :fuckoff:[/QUOTE] You missed something up there. [QUOTE=DarkWolf2;19486115]Also a fun fact: There's this other natural substance that is safer alternative from aspertame with no drawbacks. The reason it's not being used wide-spread is because it's so incredibly cheap, easy and quick to make, you can't make a profit out of it and thus it's not being grown and used in large numbers.[/QUOTE] Half of anything we have today is a corporate numbers game to begin with. Or created by war.
But i don't want to remain mildly drunk
I dont get hangovers anyway
If it's related to Valium and has the "drunk" feeling, then it's most likely a benzodiazepine. This stuff is horrible for you, arguably worse than alcohol. It's highly addictive and the withdrawal symptoms are pretty bad too, sometimes leading to death. I've been prescribed two different benzodiazepine type drugs, and have been administered Valium. I have to admit they are absolutely fantastic for anxiety related issues, but I try to limit myself to the smallest effective dose (about 1/4th a milligram of klonopin keep me good for an entire day, which speaks about the potency of this stuff) on rare occasions where my anxiety attacks are more than I can handle. In short, I feel this guy is an idiot for using this class of drugs.
I don't think i've seen such an advantageous invention for quite a while and this might be it, but its going to annoy me more than replacing sugar in soft drinks - sugar tastes better than synthetic so I'm going with the same trend for alcohol tasting better than synthetic.
[QUOTE=KrAzY_nikomo;19485392]Because the shit we make is better than the one nature makes?[/QUOTE] Not all the time. :350:
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